No meal plan food costs

mommajo143

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Once upon a time... there was a lovely person that created an interactive spreadsheet to calculate food costs for travel to WDW (during the time that shall not be named, when people could not buy meal plans). This lovely free / open access spreadsheet was super handy dandy and traveling during said time opened my eyes up to the freedom that not having to preplan everything added back to our trips (plus the actual real cost savings). I can not locate said resource. does anyone have anything similar they can share so that i can get an updated estimate for budgeting purposes.
THANKS #MUAH
 
I don’t know of the spreadsheet is that you are speaking.
However I find that using the cost analysis formula @ various Disney blogs and websites are useful and give you the same data without all the looking about.
Have fun!
 
I vaguely remember that spread sheet here, Didn't use it and did not get a meal plan when we went to WDW. But we were a little surprised at the huge sigh of relief wait staff had when they asked if we had a meal plan and we said no. I finally asked one server why, and his response was that everything on the menu was available to us, and that would not be the case if we had a meal plan.
 
Lots of older threads about the Disney dining plans. It really isn't about saving money but more for those who want an 'all inclusive' vacation with a 'not to exceed' price for the food. I think the main benefit for Disney is you are less likely to eat at a non-Disney restaurant knowing you have already paid for the food. I am not sure there is any value in filling out some spreadsheet. If you are trying to plan for the $$$ of Disney food, pick one or two days of where you would likely eat and look at their published menus to get an average for those in your party.
 

Much easier then a spreadsheet. Do have an a alcoholic drink or specialty drink with every meal. If not stop here as it is very unlikely the plan will work with saving money.
With that a split stay may work in your favor without alcohol in which case you will need to dine at the most expensive places on the DP for 2-3 days I would see it as exhausting after that. What does in general work out is a one night split stay as you will have the mug for the week or longer if this has value. Also it is relatively easy to figure out what you need to spend to break even and relatively easy to pick a 2 places that accommodate this. If it is FD it may work for you just weight what you save to another discount and see how far apart the 2 amounts are. However there is the convivence aspect if this has value and you decide to add all your receipts at the end of trip (first clue this may not be you) and you can live with spending a few hundred extra without kicking yourself then buy it and don't look back... Whatever makes your vacation enjoyable has a value and this may be one of them.
 
for clarification purposes, the idea was to get a sense of what i should budget to take. we have mostly traveled as a party of 4; our last trip was without the DDP and i know what i budgeted v. what i spent, i also know costs have increased in many ways, and our next trip will be a party of 3 plus a friend who is covering their own costs as DS18 will be away at college and unable to go this time. i also quite enjoy the fun of planning ~ it is part of the experience / excitement for me (I know its not for everyone but i enjoy it so #shrug)
 
for clarification purposes, the idea was to get a sense of what i should budget to take. we have mostly traveled as a party of 4; our last trip was without the DDP and i know what i budgeted v. what i spent, i also know costs have increased in many ways, and our next trip will be a party of 3 plus a friend who is covering their own costs as DS18 will be away at college and unable to go this time. i also quite enjoy the fun of planning ~ it is part of the experience / excitement for me (I know its not for everyone but i enjoy it so #shrug)
I have a spreadsheet that is set up for 2 people. I made it to estimate our quick-service dining costs but it could be used for anything. It figures sales tax (6.5%), but you have to go through the Disney menus and add the food and prices to the spreadsheet yourself. Let me know if that would be helpful and I can send it along.
 
for clarification purposes, the idea was to get a sense of what i should budget to take. we have mostly traveled as a party of 4; our last trip was without the DDP and i know what i budgeted v. what i spent, i also know costs have increased in many ways, and our next trip will be a party of 3 plus a friend who is covering their own costs as DS18 will be away at college and unable to go this time. i also quite enjoy the fun of planning ~ it is part of the experience / excitement for me (I know its not for everyone but i enjoy it so #shrug)
I budget $100.00 daily per person. Which explains why I switched to renting DVC. My food costs dropped to about $ 28.00 per person, daily.
 
It's never cheaper to purchase the meal plan unless you plan it out to buy the most expensive entree or stuff yourself at a buffet, and drink the highest cost alcohol drink at every meal.

Look through the restaurants and see where you might want to eat. Look at the menu and think about what you might realistically eat and drink add it all up. Add in snacks or drinks, lots more snacks if there are festivals at Epcot. Add in money for tax. You're not going to figure it out down to the penny, but you should be able to pretty closely estimate about how much you'll need for food per day.
 
for clarification purposes, the idea was to get a sense of what i should budget to take. we have mostly traveled as a party of 4; our last trip was without the DDP and i know what i budgeted v. what i spent, i also know costs have increased in many ways, and our next trip will be a party of 3 plus a friend who is covering their own costs as DS18 will be away at college and unable to go this time. i also quite enjoy the fun of planning ~ it is part of the experience / excitement for me (I know its not for everyone but i enjoy it so #shrug)
You can see all the Disney menus on the website with prices. Also, everyone in the room has to buy the DP, it can't be for one or two guests on the reservation. I think if you do plan on one TS meal and one QS meal a day, the $100 is about right on average. Tax 6.5% and tip 18% (or more if you choose). Tips are not included on the DP anymore, so that expense has to be added for TS meals.
 
I sorta remember what you are talking about. There were also a couple of websites that had interactive things you could plug in where and what you wanted to eat and it would show you the total budget. I would think you could just do a quick google search for something like budget spreadsheet for meals at WDW or interactive budget for meals at WDW or something like that and get a few hits. Quick search and I got this: https://wdwprepschool.com/disney-world-dining/budgeting-without-dining-plan/

https://dfbguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Budgeting.pdf
 
It's never cheaper to purchase the meal plan unless you plan it out to buy the most expensive entree or stuff yourself at a buffet, and drink the highest cost alcohol drink at every meal.

I agree. When we were last at Disney, some of the most expensive drinks on the menu were NOT part of the dining plan and the server let us know that when ordering. If planning using some sort of spreadsheet at home, not sure you would ever know that ahead of time.
 
You can see all the Disney menus on the website with prices. Also, everyone in the room has to buy the DP, it can't be for one or two guests on the reservation. I think if you do plan on one TS meal and one QS meal a day, the $100 is about right on average. Tax 6.5% and tip 18% (or more if you choose). Tips are not included on the DP anymore, so that expense has to be added for TS meals.
Hi. Just wondering, is the meal tax 6.5% at all TS restaurants or does it differ? Coming from Australia so not familiar with how it works. Thanks
 
Hi. Just wondering, is the meal tax 6.5% at all TS restaurants or does it differ? Coming from Australia so not familiar with how it works. Thanks
Actually, some or all of the All Star resorts are in Osceola County where the tax is 7.5%. I don’t think any other WDW resorts are in Osceola County, others can chime in. Florida tax differs by county, not all states in the US do this. The tax is automatically added to your bill. Merchandise is taxed at the same rate. Tip for table service is not normally added in unless your party size is over 6. But generally it’s anywhere from 18% up. Based on service. A recent trend is to ask to add a tip at some non Disney counter service locations (Gideon’s for example). It’s been discussed here. I generally do not tip, it’s not mandatory since these employees are not paid at all tip rate. But that’s your call! It is customary to tip at table service restaurants.
 
Actually, some or all of the All Star resorts are in Osceola County where the tax is 7.5%. I don’t think any other WDW resorts are in Osceola County, others can chime in. Florida tax differs by county, not all states in the US do this. The tax is automatically added to your bill. Merchandise is taxed at the same rate. Tip for table service is not normally added in unless your party size is over 6. But generally it’s anywhere from 18% up. Based on service. A recent trend is to ask to add a tip at some non Disney counter service locations (Gideon’s for example). It’s been discussed here. I generally do not tip, it’s not mandatory since these employees are not paid at all tip rate. But that’s your call! It is customary to tip at table service restaurants.
Thanks so much. Appreciate your help.
 
There are so many factors. Sometimes I am at an offsite hotel that includes breakfast. Sometimes I have a condo, so I have snacks, etc. there and may even be bringing snacks / sandwiches in the park. Those factors mean I could go with a lower budget.

We usually only do one table service meal per trip and based on what that is I often budget that separately -- e.g. on my February trip we did a special birthday dinner at Ohana (party of three adults), and two of the three of us had one alcoholic drink (which can add quite a bit to the tab too). Anyway that one meal came out to $270 for the three of us including trip. This means that I usually make any Disney table service meal a special line item in the budget for that reason.

My general budget on days where I am not doing Disney table service and am in a park for most of the day (might include a modest offsite place and incudes snacks too) is $100 a day per adult. I usually am under budget with that.

On our Magic Kingdom day, lunch for three adults at Casey's corner was $55. Three Mickey bars for snacks cost $19. And then there was bottled water too.

There are lots of ways to save (bring your own water bottle). You can spend a fortune on bottled water in the parks, but I think staying hydrated in Central Florida is important. On our last trip (small group and not that many theme park days), we didn't bring water bottles along. Also (I am older and eat lighter), I could easily split a counter service meal with someone else. If I don't have another person to do this with who would like the lighter portion too, what I end up doing is just eating 1/2 and throwing the other 1/2 away (paying for the whole thing of course).
 
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There are so many factors. Sometimes I am at an offsite hotel that includes breakfast. Sometimes I have a condo, so I have snacks, etc. there and may even be bringing snacks / sandwiches in the park. Those factors mean I could go with a lower budget.

We usually only do one table service meal per trip and based on what that is I often budget that separately -- e.g. on my February trip we did a special birthday dinner at Ohana (party of three adults), and two of the three of us had one alcoholic drink (which can add quite a bit to the tab too). Anyway that one meal came out to $270 for the three of us including trip. This means that I usually make any Disney table service meal a special line item in the budget for that reason.

My general budget on days where I am not doing Disney table service and am in a park for most of the day (might include a modest offsite place and incudes snacks too) is $100 a day per adult. I usually am under budget with that.

On our Magic Kingdom day, lunch for three adults at Casey's corner was $55. Three Mickey bars for snacks cost $19. And then there was bottled water too.

There are lots of ways to save (bring your own water bottle). You can spend a fortune on bottled water in the parks, but I think staying hydrated in Central Florida is important. On our last trip (small group and not that many theme park days), we didn't bring water bottles along. Also (I am older and eat lighter), I could easily split a counter service meal with someone else. If I don't have another person to do this with who would like the lighter portion too, what I end up doing is just eating 1/2 and throwing the other 1/2 away (paying for the whole thing of course).
Don't forget at QS locations, you can order a kids meal. I've done this before and it's been plenty of food. There are days when you just don't want all that much to eat at one time!
 
A recent trend is to ask to add a tip at some non Disney counter service locations (Gideon’s for example). It’s been discussed here. I generally do not tip, it’s not mandatory since these employees are not paid at all tip rate. But that’s your call! It is customary to tip at table service restaurants.
Good point @Mle8308. Notes below for anyone coming from outside the US, that may not know the difference in the way waitstaff vs employees at the different restaurant types are paid because the US is different than most of the rest of the world—

At table- or full-service restaurants (sometimes called sit-down restaurants) waitstaff are paid a “tipped wage” (TMW) which is a special category of minimum wage that is substantially lower than “regular” minimum wage (MW). Federal law sets TMW at $2.13 and MW is $7.25. Most (but not all) states set wages higher than Federal minimums. In Florida, the minimum wages are higher but tipped positions are generally paid $3 less than non-tipped employees. Notably, in WA there is no TMW, all employees must be paid at least $16.66… in Seattle (and Sea-Tac) the minimum wage is actually $20 & change.
Minimum & Tipped Wage by State in US

At fast-food and quick-service restaurants, where you order, pay, and pick up your own food at a counter, window or similar set up, all employees are paid at least regular MW. Not to say that is a sufficient pay rate in general… just saying there’s not usually any TMW positions in that sort of restaurant. The problem with this new trend of asking the customer if they want to add a tip to their total, is that employers are under no obligation to forward these tips to the employees in most instances. For the most part, the tips solicited by quick service restaurants go into the till and basically go straight to the restaurant owners. In some cases, the restaurant management get to keep the gratuities collected.

Obviously, anyone can can give a gratuity to anyone they want to. And unless the employer prohibits it, employees are typically free to accept any gratuities offered. But if you come from a part of the world where tipping is not part of the cultural norm, then you may not know when it’s normal to tip and when it’s being asked for inappropriately. Or at least times when it’s not necessary or expected, as @Mle8308 mentioned. And you may not realize the difference in how or when those tips are given to the employees (although I think that part’s true for most customers, honestly).


A few other things that I think are important for everyone to know nowadays:

Another new (& I think) strange trend in some restaurants (especially non-chain restaurants) is a an added flat charge ($3-5) for something like “employee health surcharge” or “employee benefits allowance”. Every time I’ve seen this added, I’ve asked the server if they are given that, or if they get it applied to what is taken out of their check for insurance or other benefits— and bar none, they have told me that they never see it. The owners keep it. They see no change in their benefit premiums no matter how much is collected ostensibly for that purpose. They always tell me I can cross it off and decline to pay it.

Other shenanigans happening sometimes, are just attempts to take advantage of patrons who aren’t paying close attention.
For example, even when the gratuity has already been added to a check, there’s almost always still a line to add a tip on the signature slip. People have been known to inadvertently write in [another] 18-20% tip and total it out when signing. Usually because they haven’t been paying attention to the fact that it was previously included, or sometimes because they’re on “autopilot” and forget it was already added(§). Obviously, you can choose to use the space to add a little extra to bring an automatic 18% gratuity up to 20% for example. But if you aren’t going to add anything more— always write a heavy line across the space or ZERO written in letters, and especially important total out the check. **AND ALWAYS TAKE YOUR COPY!** There’s an increase in instances of servers altering the amounts on the signature slip when it has been signed only without a total written in.

And another scam on the rise happens when servers to use the blank “customer copy”, add a larger tip, and forge a signature, and destroy the real slip signed by the customer. Since either copy can be remitted to the bank, and signatures are almost never looked at unless fraud is reported, dishonest waitstaff can really rake in some $$, and may not be caught for a long time, if ever.

Why these scams are happening more frequently is a debate for a different forum. I just wanted to let people know they’re out there. Forewarned is forearmed and all that.

§ This happens all the time when my husband’s boss takes a large group out to eat. He literally never looks at the “bill”, and just slips his card in the booklet and hands it straight back to the server. Then when the slip comes back for his signature, he adds ~25% of the total on the tip line and signs it. So the servers at their table end up with somewhere in the neighborhood of a 45% gratuity! 😲 (I haven’t done the exact math, but the 25% is figured on the total that already includes a 18-20% tip, so I think it would usually end up being 45% or more of the original amount. I haven’t done no desire to do the algebra on it— but if anyone else wants to show your inner math nerd 🤓, please go right ahead….)
 
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