News Round Up 2017

[lockedoutlogic]

I doubt they are turning the Orlando version into Mission Breakout. However, that doesn't mean that they won't come up with a different IP at some point. It all depends on how well the Twilight Zone is selling merchandise these days.

I don't think it's even merchandise anymore...at least not in the park...

I think it's the peanuts they pay cbs for the license...stripping out everything but the wings and the engine.

 

[amberpi]

Did you see? He "really promises" to quit in 2019...

Until some impassioned plea by the Wall Street hacks that run corporate.

I love your constant optimism, lol! Seriously, you make me feel like less of the cold hearted, children hating grinch that I am.

In seriousness, how does announcing a new ride, or how did announcing Pandora, years in advance increase profits. If anything, I'd think that the "once in the lifetime" crowd would put off trips and they can't be converted to return clients, or DVC owners if they never put in that first trip. I mean, my folks didn't know I was going to lose my stuff the first time we went to WDW, and more significantly Epcot, and my dad didn't realize he could stay at a decent hotel and drink at his daughter's new favorite vacation place. They ended up taking me and then my brother too almost every year thereafter. Its a pretty common story, right?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I love your constant optimism, lol! Seriously, you make me feel like less of the cold hearted, children hating grinch that I am.

In seriousness, how does announcing a new ride, or how did announcing Pandora, years in advance increase profits. If anything, I'd think that the "once in the lifetime" crowd would put off trips and they can't be converted to return clients, or DVC owners if they never put in that first trip. I mean, my folks didn't know I was going to lose my stuff the first time we went to WDW, and more significantly Epcot, and my dad didn't realize he could stay at a decent hotel and drink at his daughter's new favorite vacation place. They ended up taking me and then my brother too almost every year thereafter. Its a pretty common story, right?

I'm no analyst...but I can make some reasonable assumptions:

Announcing things a decade in advance could be seen two important ways:
1. It created stability to investors by guaranteeing that the business will be maintained or grow 5+ years out.
2. It created stability to investors by scheduling/limiting the outlays over time to reap before they sow...

It's Dutch door action below SoHo...

 

[amberpi]

I'm no analyst...but I can make some reasonable assumptions:

Announcing things a decade in advance could be seen two important ways:
1. It created stability to investors by guaranteeing that the business will be maintained or grow 5+ years out.
2. It created stability to investors by scheduling/limiting the outlays over time to reap before they sow...

It's Dutch door action below SoHo...

I guess that's a perspective. I'm not suggesting that they should/could do all of the additions they have all at once due to the cap x limiter, just don't announce crap YEARS out. I think for the investors simply outlining a plan for expansion would be enough without having potential clients put for vacations. IDK about the hospitality industry though. As a WDW parks consumer though, its maddening.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I guess that's a perspective. I'm not suggesting that they should/could do all of the additions they have all at once due to the cap x limiter, just don't announce crap YEARS out. I think for the investors simply outlining a plan for expansion would be enough without having potential clients put for vacations. IDK about the hospitality industry though. As a WDW parks consumer though, its maddening.

On this...we agree...

I think that their advance announcements are self defeating...
At their price level, saying "coming soon" for years aggravates some to highlight how long it goes in between developments and makes them wonder if they're paying for something they won't get to see? That's not first timers...but a huge myth around here is that wdw is attended by like 90% first timers. Wrong. My numbers are antiquated...but I have seen the numbers...and statistics don't flip as much as to get it to that. Not even close.

Anyway...I'm a big fan of capital planning. Such as colleges and university and urban projects. Always have 5 or 10 things in the pipeline...you still budget but it feels on the ground like something is always around the corner.

We're still feeling the effects of the management shutting down construction for a decade in 1999...it's the failure that hasn't gone away. That's why these things are so aggravating.

 

[umichigan10]

I don't think it's even merchandise anymore...at least not in the park...

I think it's the peanuts they pay cbs for the license...stripping out everything but the wings and the engine.

I at least would argue ToT merchandise sells pretty well in the parks. And it’s honestly pretty decent stuff, they’ve always had pretty cool shirts and such for the ride.

I’m also hoping bob jumps ship so he can run for President in 2020 (not that I want him to be president but it’d give him something to do that isn’t running Disney)

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I at least would argue ToT merchandise sells pretty well in the parks. And it’s honestly pretty decent stuff, they’ve always had pretty cool shirts and such for the ride.

I’m also hoping bob jumps ship so he can run for President in 2020 (not that I want him to be president but it’d give him something to do that isn’t running Disney)

Iger running for president would be the textbook definition of "killing two birds with one stone"

 

[danikoski]

I doubt they are turning the Orlando version into Mission Breakout. However, that doesn't mean that they won't come up with a different IP at some point. It all depends on how well the Twilight Zone is selling merchandise these days.

I would love to see that Sunset Blvd area turned into a villains land. I think it's high time the villains get some play outside of Halloween time.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I would love to see that Sunset Blvd area turned into a villains land. I think it's high time the villains get some play outside of Halloween time.

How many years have people been pushing the villains angle though?

The reality is it's not happening unless they have a lot more space to fill and I believe we will never see another theme park in wdw...

 

[rteetz]

I don't see Tower of terror becoming guardians in WDW. That doesn't rule out something else though. We know it won't happen in Florida prior to 2021, and at that point how relevant is GOTG? You will have the guardians attraction already in Epcot. Is GOTG really big enough for 2 attractions?

I don't believe ToT will last forever but I don't see it becoming GOTG:MB anytime soon.

 

[MissGina5]

I don't think it's even merchandise anymore...at least not in the park...

I think it's the peanuts they pay cbs for the license...stripping out everything but the wings and the engine.

I plan on buying the ToT sweatshirt when I go in 3 weeks. I have it pinned on pinterest and everything!

 

[MissGina5]

I don't see Tower of terror becoming guardians in WDW. That doesn't rule out something else though. We know it won't happen in Florida prior to 2021, and at that point how relevant is GOTG? You will have the guardians attraction already in Epcot. Is GOTG really big enough for 2 attractions?

I don't believe ToT will last forever but I don't see it becoming GOTG:MB anytime soon.

Honestly I will have a coniption. I will storm the castle. I will break down Bob Iger (or whothefrickever)'s door

 

[umichigan10]

I don't see Tower of terror becoming guardians in WDW. That doesn't rule out something else though. We know it won't happen in Florida prior to 2021, and at that point how relevant is GOTG? You will have the guardians attraction already in Epcot. Is GOTG really big enough for 2 attractions?

I don't believe ToT will last forever but I don't see it becoming GOTG:MB anytime soon.

In my mind orlando tower is a “classic” akin to haunted mansion or pirates of the Caribbean. Doesn’t mean the honchos see it that way however

 

[Keels]

I know people (me included!) hated changing ToT over to GotG at DCA ... but, man. The ride is LEGIT, dare I say better than ToT. You're in constant motion with the lifts and drops and all that. Also, since the elevator cars never went through the hologram room like ToT at WDW, the theming once you got on the ride was almost non-existent.

 

[ej119]

Photo Update

DCA Update

http://micechat.com/172369-dca-photo-update-cuckoo-coco/

Buried in this DCA photo update is a note (rumor) that Marvel Land is on hold due to the problems with the Eastern Gateway project and the Anaheim City Council...

I hadn't read this is in their MiceAge update, but I could have skimmed over it.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Buried in this DCA photo update is a note (rumor) that Marvel Land is on hold due to the problems with the Eastern Gateway project and the Anaheim City Council...

I hadn't read this is in their MiceAge update, but I could have skimmed over it.

The Anaheim council had a couple of hardliners elected to it and they flipped on disney...they've got a lot of problems coming...

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Honestly I will have a coniption. I will storm the castle. I will break down Bob Iger (or whothefrickever)'s door

 

[MommaBerd]

The Anaheim council had a couple of hardliners elected to it and they flipped on disney...they've got a lot of problems coming...

Yep. I think @TheMaxRebo posted an article from the LA Times about a week ago. It was an interesting read. Disney definitely has to change their approach with the City Council. Some of the campaign tactics cited really made me cringe, but politics is dirty no matter what or who.

You can’t blame the problems of Anaheim on a single company. However, I think Disney needs to come up with some ideas about how to partner with the city to address some of the issues plaguing the community. Make it less of an us against them; evil corporation vs. “the people.” Maybe some education and jobs programs, maybe funding grants for community organizations...I’m sure people smarter than me can generate some solutions that ease the tensions and create win-wins. And maybe they have...but the Times didn’t report on it. Regardless, they are facing a big problem.

 

[Phicinfan]

I don't see Tower of terror becoming guardians in WDW. That doesn't rule out something else though. We know it won't happen in Florida prior to 2021, and at that point how relevant is GOTG? You will have the guardians attraction already in Epcot. Is GOTG really big enough for 2 attractions?

I don't believe ToT will last forever but I don't see it becoming GOTG:MB anytime soon.

First I agree with you on ToT is safe in DHS, at least not going to be GotG. I am not sure on the two rides part, as I believe there is still a plan to potentially make WoL in Epcot more GotG at some point. Not sure if that is still valid.

To me IF GotG is the only real Marvel piece they can push in WDW for now, they will push it more than just the one ride. JMO.

but I do think at some point ToT gets a minor change, and the Twilight aspect gets lost.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

First I agree with you on ToT is safe in DHS, at least not going to be GotG. I am not sure on the two rides part, as I believe there is still a plan to potentially make WoL in Epcot more GotG at some point. Not sure if that is still valid.

To me IF GotG is the only real Marvel piece they can push in WDW for now, they will push it more than just the one ride. JMO.

but I do think at some point ToT gets a minor change, and the Twilight aspect gets lost.

I can see that - especially if they will be paying the license now for only one ride location vs 3

And I think it can still be a very similar experience without that ... I don't think it *needs* the Twilight Zone connection to be great