News Round Up 2017

[TheMaxRebo]

I understand that's exactly what it is, and that's why I have a problem with it. No worries, everyone won't agree. I'm just saying this isn't very inspirational and I get the feeling others feel the same thing for various reasons. People can do what they want with their money, but the message doesn't come across to me the way they're sending it.

Was Disney marketing this as a charitable act? From day one I knew they were millionaires so to me this was always the "market in action" - they are great at marketing themselves and Disney found a way to latch on to this and I am sure all the attention was more cost effective than a lot of marketing campaigns

Now, if Disney marketed this as they were providing this to a family in need or something, then I disagree with it as it is manipulating people, but if they have been, I never saw any of it

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Don't get me started, I think I'd get in trouble with posts about politics, which I realize is for a different place than here.




On one hand, it's their money. On the other, yes it just encourages them. I just wonder what the alternative would be if not for these deeper pockets that fund the operation.

1. I'd love it...but it ruins the pounder's days

2. If not...they'd have to provide a higher value return product across the board...but that has been highjacked for 5 years and it effects everyone.

But i say it...it interferes with the sense of "magic"...I suppose.

 

[Roxyfire]

Was Disney marketing this as a charitable act? From day one I knew they were millionaires so to me this was always the "market in action" - they are great at marketing themselves and Disney found a way to latch on to this and I am sure all the attention was more cost effective than a lot of marketing campaigns

Now, if Disney marketed this as they were providing this to a family in need or something, then I disagree with it as it is manipulating people, but if they have been, I never saw any of it

Yeah I'm not saying they did mark it as a charitable act or that they manipulated people. I remember seeing the story initially and thought "boy that sounds irrepsonsible, what will they do when they run out of money?" But once I saw the People article linked by another poster, that made more sense to me. Personally, I don't really care for the whole "social media marketing" thing on multiple levels. That won't stop people from capitalizing on it, nor will it stop companies from marketing this way.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Yeah I'm not saying they did mark it as a charitable act or that they manipulated people. I remember seeing the story initially and thought "boy that sounds irrepsonsible, what will they do when they run out of money?" But once I saw the People article linked by another poster, that made more sense to me. Personally, I don't really care for the whole "social media marketing" thing on multiple levels. That won't stop people from capitalizing on it, nor will it stop companies from marketing this way.

It can be good marketing and come off as aloof and distasteful.

Kinda like the "Lexus event to remember" ads before the holidays that show a $60,000 sedan in the snowy driveway with a 6 foot red bow on it.
Money makes everybody a tad crazy...on both ends of the spectrum - no doubt.

But Max confuses me...one day 100% grounded and the next mindless defending disney when they do things that weren't well thought out. Keeps me guessing...to say the least.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I don't see how this is a political thing at all. It has absolutely nothing to do with government or politics. I am a huge constitutional conservative/libertarian and I too hate the fact that these people were given such a trip. I have no problem with the fact that they are millionaires or how they earned their money or what they are choosing to do with it. Disney also has the right to give them this trip. But I do think it's in poor taste and a slap in the face to many of us, but it has nothing to do with politics...

Political is not limited to just elected officials...those lines cross and nearly every decision in life has SOME political meaning/influence...

Not usually here though.

As far as the highlighted above: aren't you from Pennsylvania?

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Yeah I'm not saying they did mark it as a charitable act or that they manipulated people. I remember seeing the story initially and thought "boy that sounds irrepsonsible, what will they do when they run out of money?" But once I saw the People article linked by another poster, that made more sense to me. Personally, I don't really care for the whole "social media marketing" thing on multiple levels. That won't stop people from capitalizing on it, nor will it stop companies from marketing this way.

Just as an FYI we know two families that are currently doing something like this - one the wife is a friend of my wife and the other the wife is an ex-coworker of mine - that have taken a year off of work/school for the kids and are traveling. The first just around North America the second around the world (they are currently in Europe). They didn't sell an app for millions or anything, just saved for a while and are living very cost efficiently for this year and then will return to their lives. So people do do this

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Just as an FYI we know two families that are currently doing something like this - one the wife is a friend of my wife and the other the wife is an ex-coworker of mine - that have taken a year off of work/school for the kids and are traveling. The first just around North America the second around the world (they are currently in Europe). They didn't sell an app for millions or anything, just saved for a while and are living very cost efficiently for this year and then will return to their lives. So people do do this

Good for them...it would be nice if everyone could travel for a year...

But you have to admit that it implies some privilege at a minimum and that carries opinions, naturally...

So it's hard to take that away, completely.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

It can be good marketing and come off as aloof and distasteful.

Kinda like the "Lexus event to remember" adds before the holidays that show a $60,000 sedan in the snowy driveway with a 6 foot red bow on it.
Money makes everybody a tad crazy...on both ends of the spectrum - no doubt.

But Max confuses me...one day 100% grounded and the next mindless defending disney when they do things that weren't well thought out. Keeps me guessing...to say the least.

I don't see why this needs defending - it's just marketing and if they are getting good return on their marketing then it makes sense to do

And we are talking about it here - and I see I lot of chatter on Facebook and other places so clearly they got a lot of attention from it.

I don't see the negative to it or how it can be viewed as distasteful

 

[jlundeen]

I don't see why this needs defending - it's just marketing and if they are getting good return on their marketing then it makes sense to do

And we are talking about it here - and I see I lot of chatter on Facebook and other places so clearly they got a lot of attention from it.

I don't see the negative to it or how it can be viewed as distasteful

I agree. I couldn't care less how Disney spends their advertising/marketing dollars. Not sure why anyone else does...I don't get the negative reactions either...

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I don't see why this needs defending - it's just marketing and if they are getting good return on their marketing then it makes sense to do

And we are talking about it here - and I see I lot of chatter on Facebook and other places so clearly they got a lot of attention from it.

I don't see the negative to it or how it can be viewed as distasteful

Here the proper comment might be "nothing" or ..."this is a little whacky"...

Just a thought. But when someone doesn't think it's fair, just placate it a little, don't charge into battle with flag bearing the "D"...

Don't think its worth it. Just my take.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I agree. I couldn't care less how Disney spends their advertising/marketing dollars. Not sure why anyone else does...I don't get the negative reactions either...

I think I know where you stand. You have every right to your opinion.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Good for them...it would be nice if everyone could travel for a year...

But you have to admit that it implies some privilege at a minimum and that carries opinions, naturally...

So it's hard to take that away, completely.

They guy designed an app and sold it for millions. Everyone else is free to do so as well. Are they fortunate? Sure but also put in work to get what they have. To me, more power to them

 

[lockedoutlogic]

They guy designed an app and sold it for millions. Everyone else is free to do so as well. Are they fortunate? Sure but also put in work to get what they have. To me, more power to them

Right...more power to him.

But disney parks are designed and operated as a middle class operation...not a luxury one.

So we've come back around on SOME perceptions.

 

[wareagle57]

As far as the highlighted above: aren't you from Pennsylvania?

Nope. You must have me confused with someone else, or a joke is going over my head. I'm assuming it's the latter, but I'm blanking on what political figure you could be referencing.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Nope. You must have me confused with someone else, or a joke is going over my head. I'm assuming it's the latter, but I'm blanking on what political figure you could be referencing.

No...no sarcasm/subterfuge there...I thought you were from Pa. somewhere between 54-60 (you never answered my guess...by the way)

I was trying to figure out the libertarianism by geography.

My bad.

 

[Roxyfire]

Just as an FYI we know two families that are currently doing something like this - one the wife is a friend of my wife and the other the wife is an ex-coworker of mine - that have taken a year off of work/school for the kids and are traveling. The first just around North America the second around the world (they are currently in Europe). They didn't sell an app for millions or anything, just saved for a while and are living very cost efficiently for this year and then will return to their lives. So people do do this

And I think you sorta made my point for me in a great way. Your friends/acquitances are doing this and probably had to sacrifice a lot in the process. Plus, they can’t do this long term. The bucket list family can however do this as long as they want to. So that’s why it rings a little hollow to me, personally.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

And I think you sorta made my point for me in a great way. Your friends/acquitances are doing this and probably had to sacrifice a lot in the process. Plus, they can’t do this long term. The bucket list family can however do this as long as they want to. So that’s why it rings a little hollow to me, personally.

I guess for me they earned the money and built up a following that Disney is leveraging - so they are sort of using each other

If they did this for like the British royalty or someone born into money I might view it differently

 

[pepperandchips]

And I think you sorta made my point for me in a great way. Your friends/acquitances are doing this and probably had to sacrifice a lot in the process. Plus, they can’t do this long term. The bucket list family can however do this as long as they want to. So that’s why it rings a little hollow to me, personally.

I am not at all trying to say that this family isn't in an enviable position - I certainly wish that Disney would pay me to be in their advertisements! But that's what these people are doing - they are starring in advertisements. We saw them over Labor Day weekend filming on the boat dock at the Beach Club/Yacht Club. It was really hot outside and they looked like any other family would be at that time - stressed, hot, and not like they were skipping down Main Street with Mickey. I'm not saying that anyone's opinion is wrong but these people do not appear to have gotten an all expenses paid month-long family vacation. Maybe not everyone would consider filming advertisements to be work worth the value of those nights' stay, but what I saw was definitely work, not a nice gift to a deserving family.

 

[Capang]

I am not at all trying to say that this family isn't in an enviable position - I certainly wish that Disney would pay me to be in their advertisements! But that's what these people are doing - they are starring in advertisements. We saw them over Labor Day weekend filming on the boat dock at the Beach Club/Yacht Club. It was really hot outside and they looked like any other family would be at that time - stressed, hot, and not like they were skipping down Main Street with Mickey. I'm not saying that anyone's opinion is wrong but these people do not appear to have gotten an all expenses paid month-long family vacation. Maybe not everyone would consider filming advertisements to be work worth the value of those nights' stay, but what I saw was definitely work, not a nice gift to a deserving family.

I read a few articles (wish I could recall dates and where) about families that became "social media influences" and got all these freebies and trips. It was work and most of the families quit because they spent their time together staging events, shooting events, editing, etc and losing out on normal family time. I don't really have issue with what this family did, but then I don't pay attention to any of it either.

 

[Roxyfire]

I guess for me they earned the money and built up a following that Disney is leveraging - so they are sort of using each other

If they did this for like the British royalty or someone born into money I might view it differently

Like I said, it's just a personal thing that bothers me. I think the whole social media lifestyle curation thing is incredibly lucrative when it's done successfully. It seems these folks are fairly adept at it. I didn't even know they existed until they did the 30 stays in 30 days thing. They can spend their money and live their lives however they want to, but it doesn't stop me from rolling my eyes when I see such shameless cross promotion on the part of both parties.

I am not at all trying to say that this family isn't in an enviable position - I certainly wish that Disney would pay me to be in their advertisements! But that's what these people are doing - they are starring in advertisements. We saw them over Labor Day weekend filming on the boat dock at the Beach Club/Yacht Club. It was really hot outside and they looked like any other family would be at that time - stressed, hot, and not like they were skipping down Main Street with Mickey. I'm not saying that anyone's opinion is wrong but these people do not appear to have gotten an all expenses paid month-long family vacation. Maybe not everyone would consider filming advertisements to be work worth the value of those nights' stay, but what I saw was definitely work, not a nice gift to a deserving family.

That's social media curation in action. Sure they might be "living the dream" or "crossing off the bucket list" but with that publicity it comes with a different kind of price tag.

I read a few articles (wish I could recall dates and where) about families that became "social media influences" and got all these freebies and trips. It was work and most of the families quit because they spent their time together staging events, shooting events, editing, etc and losing out on normal family time. I don't really have issue with what this family did, but then I don't pay attention to any of it either.

And those people probably made the right choice in the end.