New WDW Restaurants

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Orlando Sentinel reports two new restaurants will be opening:

T-Rex, a restaurant of at least 18,000 square feet with audio-animatronic dinosaurs, will open at the Downtown Disney Marketplace in early 2008.

A second restaurant, tentatively called Asia, will open at the Animal Kingdom next year. It will be themed around a village in the Himalayan foothills -- not unlike the new Expedition Everest ride.

Both will be 80% owned by Landry's, which also owns Rainforest Cafe.
 
Jason71 said:
Orlando Sentinel reports two new restaurants will be opening:

T-Rex, a restaurant of at least 18,000 square feet with audio-animatronic dinosaurs, will open at the Downtown Disney Marketplace in early 2008.

A second restaurant, tentatively called Asia, will open at the Animal Kingdom next year. It will be themed around a village in the Himalayan foothills -- not unlike the new Expedition Everest ride.

Both will be 80% owned by Landry's, which also owns Rainforest Cafe.

Is it surprising to see an outside company own that much stake in a place inside a park? Obviously I am referring to Asia here. Can someone speak to this? Are there other places inside any of the other parks that are that controlled by an outside company? I thought there was, but I can't seem to remember. There is obviously a precedent with others in DTD, but I am not sure about the parks
 
I think its odd too. If I am not mistaken Hollywood Brown Derby is not Disney owned.
 

I thought that McD's was the sponsor only, but I work across the street from McD's HQ, I'll go run over and ask.

I don't know what the big deal is. It is often better to lease out the space than to run it yourself especially of they do not have alot of experience with running that concept. But aren't many of the restaurants in World Showcase in EPCOT operated/owned by outside companies many of which are (gasp) owned by foreigners!? (Alfredo's in Italy and Suntory in Japan) To me, its no biggie. I work in restaurants and you would be surpried to know what restaurants are owned/operated by the company or through license agreements or management contracts. Happens all the time.
 
I wonder where they'll come up with "at least 18,000 square feet" in Downtown Disney Marketplace for T-Rex, the restaurant with audio-animatronic dinosaurs?

The "early 2008" opening suggests the construction of a new building. I wonder what they'll tear down to make room?
 
The Epcot World Showcase restaurants are outsourced.

Unfortunately, my son will demand that we go to T-Rex (wherever it ends up). Rainforest Cafe drives me batty, although it certainly is kid-friendly.
 
GrimGhost said:
I think its odd too. If I am not mistaken Hollywood Brown Derby is not Disney owned.

Not 100% on this, being a Florida boy, but wasn't one of the restaurants in Disney's California Adventures owned by a winery? Robert Mondavi maybe?

Also, Rainforest Cafe has a location that while not exactly "in" AK is accessible from the park.
 
DisneyBaby! said:
I don't know what the big deal is. It is often better to lease out the space than to run it yourself especially of they do not have alot of experience with running that concept. But aren't many of the restaurants in World Showcase in EPCOT operated/owned by outside companies many of which are (gasp) owned by foreigners!? (Alfredo's in Italy and Suntory in Japan) To me, its no biggie. I work in restaurants and you would be surpried to know what restaurants are owned/operated by the company or through license agreements or management contracts. Happens all the time.

Didn't mean to suggest that it was a big deal, and I certainly am not assuming it to be bad. I was only curious of this was a first. I think it sounds like a great idea.
 
DancingBear said:
The Epcot World Showcase restaurants are outsourced.
I'm not sure that this blanket statement is correct. I think World Showcase has some Disney-operated restaurants and some restaurants operated by outside companies.

For example, L'Originale Alfredo di Roma Ristorante is operated by Alfredo's of Rome, an outside company. But, as far as I know, Le Cellier is owned and operated by Disney.

Disney doesn't publicize the terms of various leases, sponsorships, or licensing agreements, nor would I expect Disney to.
 
dbm20th said:
Didn't mean to suggest that it was a big deal, and I certainly am not assuming it to be bad. I was only curious of this was a first. I think it sounds like a great idea.

sorry dbm, did not mean for that to sound that way, like I was directing it at you. I was saying generally, if people were worried about non-Disney infiltration into the parks, it is already there.

Also adding that there it is difficult if not impossible to tell who owns/operates any restaurant or company and often that has no affect on the way it operates.
 
Horace Horsecollar said:
I'm not sure that this blanket statement is correct. I think World Showcase has some Disney-operated restaurants and some restaurants operated by outside companies.

For example, L'Originale Alfredo di Roma Ristorante is operated by Alfredo's of Rome, an outside company. But, as far as I know, Le Cellier is owned and operated by Disney.

Disney doesn't publicize the terms of various leases, sponsorships, or licensing agreements, nor would I expect Disney to.
Sorry, you're correct--didn't mean it to be a blanket statement. I believe the restaurants in Mexico, China and France are outsourced, and isn't the store in Japan operated by a Japanese department store chain? Le Cellier and Akershaus I assume are Disney-run.
 
dbm20th said:
Is it surprising to see an outside company own that much stake in a place inside a park? Obviously I am referring to Asia here. Can someone speak to this? Are there other places inside any of the other parks that are that controlled by an outside company? I thought there was, but I can't seem to remember. There is obviously a precedent with others in DTD, but I am not sure about the parks

What about the Rainforest Cafe in DAK?

About time they put another restaurant in DAK by the way.
 
Didn't Walt have a number of "outside" owned restaurants at Disneyland when it first opened, as well as "outside" owned shops? And at the Magic Kingdom in WDW, the old Sealtest Ice Cream Parlor comes to mind, back in the early 80's.
 
mitros said:
Didn't Walt have a number of "outside" owned restaurants at Disneyland when it first opened, as well as "outside" owned shops? And at the Magic Kingdom in WDW, the old Sealtest Ice Cream Parlor comes to mind, back in the early 80's.
Yes, Walt had rent-payiing, outside concessions at Disneyland. Even the Disneyland Hotel was owned and operated by an outside company until The Walt Disney Company purchased it during the Eisner years. Walt didn't have the money to do everything internally.

I don't think anyone on this thread is saying that The Walt Disney Company shouldn't have outside companies involved.

The Sealtest Ice Cream Parlor was probably owned and operated by Disney, not by Kraft Sealtest. There were sponsorships and marketing agreements back then, as there are today. Something that looks like an outside business can actually be Disney, while something that looks like it's Disney can actually be owned and operated by an outside company.

What really matters is whether The Walt Disney Company is providing compelling reasons to visit Walt Disney World and Disneyland. Good, unique restaurants are more compelling to me than mediocre chains that I can find in Schaumburg, Illinois.

I've eaten at Rainforest Cafe twice (both times before Rainforest Cafe was bought by Landry's). The first time was in Schaumburg and it was very disappointing. A year later, we were dragged to the Rainforest Cafe at AK by another family. The dinner was even worse. I know that many people like Rainforest Cafe, so my experiences may not have been typical.
 
DisneyBaby! said:
Also adding that there it is difficult if not impossible to tell who owns/operates any restaurant or company and often that has no affect on the way it operates.

I would also add to that the fact that Disney MUST maintain these companies keep some sort of operational standards set by WDW. I would only assume that to be the case.

I did not know the extent of the outsourcing at WS. I knew ALfredo's had the name, but I didn't know the Italian company actually owned and operated it. I thought it was just a licensing for the name deal, kind of like how Jimmy Buffett doesn't own Cheeseburger in Paradise only allows them the name to beused for a fee.
 
MJMcBride said:
What about the Rainforest Cafe in DAK?

About time they put another restaurant in DAK by the way.

But that's not REALLY in the park. SO there is a difference, though a very, very small one

And yes, it certainly is time to get some good eatin in DAK!

And one more thing. That Dinosaur place sounds like it could be really cool!
 
dbm20th said:
That Dinosaur place sounds like it could be really cool!
Yeah, it sounds cool, but so does Rainforest Cafe, and that just comes off as hokey and cheap to me (and bad food to boot), so I'm not really hopeful that Landry's will do any better with T-Rex.
 
Background

To get financing for Disneyland, Walt sold the food concessions to the ABC Network (yes, that ABC). The network then turned around and outsourced the operations to another outside company. Service and quality were horrible and Walt found he could do nothing to improve the conditions no matter how tight the contracts were written. Within a matter of months Walt took the profits from Disneyland and bought back the operations. While many restaurants had corporate sponsorships, my recollection was that only the Sunkist Juice Bars were leased (to Sunkist themselves).

This remained company practice until the opening of EPCOT Center. The overriding goal of World Showcase was to provide as authentic an experience as possible for the guests. To be blunt, Central Florida has never been known for quality ethnic cuisine. The restaurant space was offered to companies from the pavilion’s host nation – San Angel from Mexico City, Alfredo’s from Rome, etc. The idea was the EPCOT Center restaurants would prepare and serve the same menus as their counterparts back in their native cities. Of course, then there was the collision between “authentic” and American’s Taco Bell trained expectations, but that’s another story. Even though these restaurants were owned by outside companies, they relied on Disney staff, Disney central kitchens and Disney standards. For all intents and purposes, they were run by Disney.

For a long time the company knew that its success depended on its control over the product. The only way to make sure things were kept up to standards was to do it yourself. Everything at WDW was tightly controlled.

The idea of leasing out restaurant space started really with Pleasure Island. At the time it was a cost savings move – adding more features to the development than what Disney could otherwise afford. But it was also a bit of a cheat. No one knew how well Disney would do with adult entertainment; selling restaurants made other people assume a lot of the financial risks. Disney didn't have to worry about staffing, food costs or any of the problems of actually running a restaurant. Of course, the downside was that Disney lost most of the profits from the places that were a hit.

Then, following the disastrous opening of Euro Disney, the idea of renting out anything and everything possible became a central point of every development. The idea was to shift as much of the risk off onto other people. But even beyond that, Disney had lost its confidence. The justification was born that since other people could run restaurants better than Disney, let them run the restaurants. For the first time in the company’s history, Disney gave up. The theme parks were now operated like shopping malls – Disney was the happy landowner collecting the rent while the Levy Brothers worried about making money.

Things reached the head with California Adventure. This mini-park was conceived with the notion that dining was going to an “E-ticket” attraction and the park filled with free spending, cutting edge vacationers willing to drop $60 per person for dinner. Mondovi was sold this concept and poured millions and millions into a restaurant complex at the very center of the park. Wolfgang Puck also poured millions of dollars and was given about the only scenic location the park has. Promises of millions of hungry visitors filled Disney’s dreams. Ideas soon spread about selling all of Disney’s food and merchandise operations at WDW to outside companies. I mean, if you can get a winery to pay $60 million up front for a new park, how much is someone going to pay for Cinderella’s Royal Banquet Hall in the castle?!

Unfortunately, both Mondovi’s and Puck’s restaurants went bankrupt within six months. Both companies ran away from their contracts (and it’s whispered with significant settlements from Disney). The idea of selling off operations went away.

But just for a while. The pressure on WDW to increase it’s cash flow to Burbank grows stronger everyday (someone has to cough up the $7 billion for Pixar). So once again all of the parks are looking at various ways of “enhancing revenues”. It’s unlikely that Disney will ever again open and operate a major restaurant. It’s simply easy for someone else to do it. But then Disney, once again, begins to loose control…
 


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