New smkoing ban

[F4disneyfan]

I heard on the radio this mrning that the Ontario government is going to ban smoking in all cars with children in them my feeling on this is it's about damn time.

 

[SandraC]

Here! Here! Kill yourself....not your children.

 

[siobhan1997]

Ok like whos going to enforce the law? In our area we have a total of 3 health unit "smoke police" employees who can't even keep up with the smoking in commercial establishments and commercial vehicles.

 

[drag n' fly]

We FINALLY just got a complete smoking ban in Calgary in public restaurants and bars etc! Lots of noise but eventually they will settle down. I am a ex smoker haven't touched one in 5 1/2 years. When I was a smoker I never smoked around my kids and smoked outside even when it was 30 below. When they went up to 5.50 a pack I said thats it I draw the line and quit. Honestly I agree I do not know how they will enforce it but I totally support it. My Dad told me once how he broke his leg skiing uphill in his twenties anywhooooo he said the doctor came around every day to check on him with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth and the Red Cross volunteers used to bring him packs of cigarettes every day for free. Thankfully he quit 25 years ago but I thought wow how times have changed!

 

[laura001]

I don't have a problem with the fact that someone should not smoke with children in the car...........BUT, I do have a problem with the government getting into every aspect of our lives. How about not being able to smoke in your own home if there are children there? How about, you are not allowed to have any snacks (chips, cookies) etc. in your house if your child or yourself is anymore than 5 pounds overweight, look at the data for death and illness caused by obesity. Where does it stop?????

Go ahead, flame away at me.....

I am not a smoker, as a matter of fact I am very allergic to it. I still don't want the government being able to tell me what I can or can't do in the privacy of my own home/car because I have children. I wish people wouldn't, I think it is awful, but don't want the government ruling on it.

 

[jocie]

hmmmm this is a tough one.
I am an ex smoker and live in Winnipeg, where we have had a ban on smoking in restaurants and bars for quite some time. There was major hoopla over that but it has settled and is a way of life now. I definetly agree that NOONE should smoke around children but I do agree with Laura001 about where does it stop? How will the government prevent this?? I guess some people who cant think for themselves and realize that smoking in a car with kids in it, is killing them......then maybe they do need to be regulated by the govt.!!

 

[F4disneyfan]

I am guessing it will be added to teh police ticketing menue and when they see you smoing you get pulled over and get ticketed hopefully it will also cost you points and suspended liscences.

 

[kenneyjo]

TO LAURA 001;

The government only enforces the will of the people. Laws change and evolve as society changes and evolves.

Look at all the recent ads for driving under the influence of drugs, who knew it was a problem 10-15 years ago. Now, police procedures are being changed to facilitate the dealing with these types of drivers.

I agree to a certain extent that the governments hand reaches a little too far into the average Canadian lifestyle, however this law is too protect young lives...what's wrong with that?

It is safe to say that as society changes, so will the laws to meet those changes. How badly did we all drop the ball on internet law. Only recently have things changed for the better to protect the most vulnerable people in our society.

I agree 110% with this measure. It hasn't been passed into law yet ( as far as I know) but I hope it does. With every introduction of new laws, especially one as intrusive as this one, there will obviously be an education period for people to get used to it.

To say you don't want the "government ruling on it", how else is it going to change? It's been my experience that for some people, not all, unless there are consequences to actions, things don't change. (Impaired driving, seatbelts....need I say more).

 

[siobhan1997]

I am guessing it will be added to teh police ticketing menue and when they see you smoing you get pulled over and get ticketed hopefully it will also cost you points and suspended liscences.

I have spoken to local OPP officers and they wont enforce any of this no smoking bylaws. I agree they have much serious crimes to keep them busy.

I too have been on both sides of this fence first a smoker for 20 years, and now a non smoker for 6 years. I think they went too far in certain aspects of this law. While I now agree that you should not be smoking in a confined vehicle with anyone of any age that doesnt smoke or smokes for that matter, I don't think the government has the right to stop anyone from smoking in their homes or personal vehicles.

On a funnier note the gentleman incharge of our Health Unit in this area is a Smoker

 

[laura001]

TO LAURA 001;

The government only enforces the will of the people. Laws change and evolve as society changes and evolves.

Look at all the recent ads for driving under the influence of drugs, who knew it was a problem 10-15 years ago. Now, police procedures are being changed to facilitate the dealing with these types of drivers.

I agree to a certain extent that the governments hand reaches a little too far into the average Canadian lifestyle, however this law is too protect young lives...what's wrong with that?

It is safe to say that as society changes, so will the laws to meet those changes. How badly did we all drop the ball on internet law. Only recently have things changed for the better to protect the most vulnerable people in our society.

I agree 110% with this measure. It hasn't been passed into law yet ( as far as I know) but I hope it does. With every introduction of new laws, especially one as intrusive as this one, there will obviously be an education period for people to get used to it.

To say you don't want the "government ruling on it", how else is it going to change? It's been my experience that for some people, not all, unless there are consequences to actions, things don't change. (Impaired driving, seatbelts....need I say more).

Hmmmm....well....I don't believe that the government really enforces the will of the people, it enforces the will of the special interest groups, big business etc. or whoever and whatever screams the loudest, that may not be equally counted as the will of the people.

As for impaired driving etc., I don't believe can be compared, that has to do with operation of the vehicle.

As I said before, it is just my opinion, a humble one at that, I feel that the government is not going to stop there....just think of the implications.....BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU....

Again, I think smoking is awful, smoking with children around, even worse.....

edit to add:

I am not going to get into semantics with anyone, was just sharing my opinion and am done posting now.... (insert smilie here)

 

[kenneyjo]

LAURA 001;

Your done posting on the matter?


ooookay, I guess...


I always thought there is nothing wrong with exposing different points of view and having an open dialogue...but that's just me

 

[CanadianGuy]

 

[F4disneyfan]

I have spoken to local OPP officers and they wont enforce any of this no smoking bylaws. I agree they have much serious crimes to keep them busy.

I too have been on both sides of this fence first a smoker for 20 years, and now a non smoker for 6 years. I think they went too far in certain aspects of this law. While I now agree that you should not be smoking in a confined vehicle with anyone of any age that doesnt smoke or smokes for that matter, I don't think the government has the right to stop anyone from smoking in their homes or personal vehicles.

On a funnier note the gentleman incharge of our Health Unit in this area is a Smoker

Interesting note on the OPP as some of my friends from school are local cops and they have allready been approached about this and they all agree with it so I guess it will all depend on who makes the ruling for them to follow when this comes down.

 

[SandraC]

...as far as government staying out of smoker's lives....

sure.....I'm all for Government Health Care NOT get involved with smoker related illness.....maybe my taxes will go down.

S

 

[F4disneyfan]

...as far as government staying out of smoker's lives....

sure.....I'm all for Government Health Care NOT get involved with smoker related illness.....maybe my taxes will go down.

S

Good point Sandra maybe if people get sick due to smoking OHIP should be exempt from paying for their treatments and they can foot the bill on their own how many people would be up in arms about that because the government wouldn't pay but hell don't let them legislate smoking bans in your car that is to far out there for some. I am all for that suggestion and would certainly support that if it was put to a vote..

 

[laura001]

You can go ahead and post your opinion, that is what makes the world go around. I guess I could have worded it differently, just to say that I was finished sharing my opinion and that I really don't have anything else to say on the matter.....

share away

LAURA 001;

Your done posting on the matter?


ooookay, I guess...


I always thought there is nothing wrong with exposing different points of view and having an open dialogue...but that's just me

 

[calena]

I think this is going too far. I am not a smoker - never have been - and even before the smoking ban in restaurants I prefered to go to restaurants which did not allow smoking, so I don't like being around smoking or having my kids around smoking.
However, I don't like the idea of the government telling anyone what they can do in their private vehicle. We went through this in our area with our Long-Term care homes when the seniors there were told they could not smoke because of the new law - since it would be too expensive to put in the smoking rooms to meet the new standard. In that case the Long Term care homes are their HOMES yet they are told they can't smoke there. I think the government is interfering too much in what we do in the privacy of our homes or our cars - didn't Trudeau say the government has no business in the bedroom... well do they have any business in the cars or homes of folks either?
I just feel this is step of government interference we don't need.
Deb - dreading the day they ban eating chocolate in the car!

 

[F4disneyfan]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070109/bangor_smoking_070109?s_name=&no_ads=

Now here is one American city I applaud in their fight against smoking.

 

[jtdl]

...as far as government staying out of smoker's lives....

sure.....I'm all for Government Health Care NOT get involved with smoker related illness.....maybe my taxes will go down.

S

That'll never happen - don't think the government wouldn't find another use for your tax dollars!

I am an ex-smoker. I am all for not smoking in the car with children, but I really don't see how it can be enforced, just like next they will say you can't smoke in your own home - is this the era of "Big Brother"? Are they going to install cameras or cigarette smoke detectors in everyone's home? When I smoked I never smoked in the house or in the car, that's just a common sense issue. When I was a child, quite some time ago, the dangers of cigarettes were not known and my father smoked in the home, in the car and out of 8 children, none of us have any second-hand smoke related diseases - no cancers, no chronic disease of any kind, actually.

On another note, the government has banned smoking in all restaurants (which I am all for), bars and every other public place. NOW though, since they realize that the casinos are losing money, the casinos (of course government businesses) are allow to build enclosed, heated, roofed smoking enclosures! Funny thing how they say that that ruling wasn't made JUST for casinos but any establishment that doesn't have food as it's main point of business. Here where I live, we have two casinos and they both sell food and drink, yet a bar or bingo hall (what are they? They've all closed up because of the nonsmoking law and the casinos) cannot have an enclosed smoking area. Obviously, THAT ruling is for government run businesses only.

 

[maryliz]

We went through this in our area with our Long-Term care homes when the seniors there were told they could not smoke because of the new law - since it would be too expensive to put in the smoking rooms to meet the new standard. In that case the Long Term care homes are their HOMES yet they are told they can't smoke there.

But the very BIG difference is that those long term care facilities are not PRIVATE homes ... there are many other people living there who should not have to be subjected to filthy air just because the person in the room down the hall wants to smoke. The residents don't own the place, so therefore must follow the rules.

As for in the car, I don't see how they could really accomplish this. I don't think people should smoke around small children, and I have very vivid memories of myself as a child sticking my nose outside the car window to avoid the smell of the cigarettes ... and then getting in trouble for having the window down in the middle of winter. But really, it is your own private vehicle, and it is not endangering the roads for other drivers (at least no more than eating that Big Mac or drinking that Timmie's). Next you'll see them start giving tickets to pregnant women who are smoking ... and not that I agree with it whatsoever, but bottom line, people will make stupid choices in their lives, and the government cannot and should not legislate other people's stupidity. Spend the time and money getting drugs out of my kids schools. JMHO.