NEW Rejected Offers Thread

[mkatsy]

Yes, and depending on the resort, and depending on just how stripped, the way resale handles dues payments, all of that coupled with the inconvenience of resale makes you go

"shouldn't I just call my guide and get these points in 10 minutes?"

And this is how I will probably end up with LSL points

 

[Girlstar30]

I think if you own at a restricted resort, having unrestricted points will matter more to you. Other than that, I think enough savings are still there and time on contracts for people to go resale on smaller contracts for the savings.

I am only going to use my direct points at restricted resorts and I enjoy the resale resorts which is why I went for one final resale to round things out for now. I dont feel the need to have more direct points yet. I think as we get closer to many resorts being restricted it will matter more, but right now theres 3 restricted and at least 14 unrestricted and some people dont care for the restricted ones available now

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

I think if you own at a restricted resort, having unrestricted points will matter more to you. Other than that, I think enough savings are still there and time on contracts for people to go resale on smaller contracts for the savings.

I am only going to use my direct points at restricted resorts and I enjoy the resale resorts which is why I went for one final resale to round things out for now. I dont feel the need to have more direct points yet. I think as we get closer to many resorts being restricted it will matter more, but right now theres 3 restricted and at least 14 unrestricted and some people dont care for the restricted ones available now

Yep, I could see it having an impact in the years to come but not immediately. As another user stated, that fee will probably keep going up too.

 

[mkatsy]

I think if you own at a restricted resort, having unrestricted points will matter more to you. Other than that, I think enough savings are still there and time on contracts for people to go resale on smaller contracts for the savings.

I am only going to use my direct points at restricted resorts and I enjoy the resale resorts which is why I went for one final resale to round things out for now. I dont feel the need to have more direct points yet. I think as we get closer to many resorts being restricted it will matter more, but right now theres 3 restricted and at least 14 unrestricted and some people dont care for the restricted ones available now

My direct points are VGF and it almost feels like a crime to use them at VGF, when they have so much potential at the restricted resorts. I could definitely benefit from some resale VGF to free up those direct points to work their magic elsewhere.

 

[Girlstar30]

Yep, I could see it having an impact in the years to come but not immediately. As another user stated, that fee will probably keep going up too.

I think its a really delicate balance for them because if I see super high fees and it being impossible to sell my contracts one day for something decent, I would stay away from buying direct altogether. That would actually.push me more to resale even with the higher price because of the loss I would face trying to sell a direct in the future. $500 is on the higher side for this kind of fee so if it keeps going up its going to look greedy, unnecessary, and bad on them at least imo. They dont need more than $500 to do these transfers per contract. They dont even need $500 but I understand they can do it so why not if its not outrageous which its not yet

 

[Girlstar30]

My direct points are VGF and it almost feels like a crime to use them at VGF, when they have so much potential at the restricted resorts. I could definitely benefit from some resale VGF to free up those direct points to work their magic elsewhere.

Yes it always in the back of my mind that lsl is coming and these direct points need to be used last and for restricted only and maybe even try to use them every other year so I can bank them to stay at these newer resorts without needing more points. (Easier said than done when you live near one )

 

[AstroBlasters]

My direct points are VGF and it almost feels like a crime to use them at VGF, when they have so much potential at the restricted resorts. I could definitely benefit from some resale VGF to free up those direct points to work their magic elsewhere.

But…. then you wouldn’t be at VGF….

 

[VGCgroupie]

Of course, I’m just making the point that I don’t think the $500 CAF is a “deal breaker”. Guess we will see in the months to come if small contracts have a sharp decrease in value.

Yeah it only broke the deal for me because I didn’t really need or want what I bid on but I would’ve taken it for a steal of deal. If I were in fact wanting/needing that contract it wouldn’t have made me say no.

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

Yeah it only broke the deal for me because I didn’t really need or want what I bid on but I would’ve taken it for a steal of deal. If I were in fact wanting/needing that contract it wouldn’t have made me say no.

Exactly. Like I’m not saying people won’t buy a contract if the seller doesn’t pay the $500 CAF but I think most of the time that won’t be the case.

This is just me obviously but I put in 3 offers all with closing costs and CAF paid by seller. I was in no rush and didn’t need a specific contract, although we knew we didn’t need or want 2025 points, so there was much more haggle room. If it’s a small contract with competition, I just don’t think the $500 CAF is going to be paid by the seller in most cases at this point.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Exactly. Like I’m not saying people won’t buy a contract if the seller doesn’t pay the $500 CAF but I think most of the time that won’t be the case.

This is just me obviously but I put in 3 offers all with closing costs and CAF paid by seller. I was in no rush and didn’t need a specific contract, although we knew we didn’t need or want 2025 points, so there was much more haggle room. If it’s a small contract with competition, I just don’t think the $500 CAF is going to be paid by the seller in most cases at this point.

For us negotiators it’s different. The standard buyers pool doesn’t even realize that you can negotiate or what things can be negotiated.

 

[haletiki]

Exactly. Like I’m not saying people won’t buy a contract if the seller doesn’t pay the $500 CAF but I think most of the time that won’t be the case.

I honestly just figured that the sellers would never want to pay the $500 fee since they are already paying the estoppel and commission so when we were looking at contracts we kind of priced it in and lowered our price per point offer low enough that if they agreed to it then the $500 CAF wouldn't keep us away from paying cash.

I'm learning more via this thread and the ROFR thread though that there is a lot more hardball that can be played on contracts if you're willing to be patient and get the contract you want at a price that is really good.

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

For us negotiators it’s different. The standard buyers pool doesn’t even realize that you can negotiate or what things can be negotiated.

Well said.

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

I honestly just figured that the sellers would never want to pay the $500 fee since they are already paying the estoppel and commission so when we were looking at contracts we kind of priced it in and lowered our price per point offer low enough that if they agreed to it then the $500 CAF wouldn't keep us away from paying cash.

I'm learning more via this thread and the ROFR thread though that there is a lot more hardball that can be played on contracts if you're willing to be patient and get the contract you want at a price that is really good.

Exactly and I saw that OKW contract you got. I’m no expert but my eyes lit up.

 

[haletiki]

Exactly and I saw that OKW contract you got. I’m no expert but my eyes lit up.

That makes me feel a bit better about missing out on that particular piece of negotiation.

Fingers crossed that it gets passed Disney. Finding it hard to wait patiently over here.

 

[VGCgroupie]

That makes me feel a bit better about missing out on that particular piece of negotiation.

Fingers crossed that it gets passed Disney. Finding it hard to wait patiently over here.

Im sure you will get em on the next one. My first contract I didnt negotiate very hard but that little contract has been my most lucrative yet. And I am so happy I bought it.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I honestly just figured that the sellers would never want to pay the $500 fee since they are already paying the estoppel and commission so when we were looking at contracts we kind of priced it in and lowered our price per point offer low enough that if they agreed to it then the $500 CAF wouldn't keep us away from paying cash.

I'm learning more via this thread and the ROFR thread though that there is a lot more hardball that can be played on contracts if you're willing to be patient and get the contract you want at a price that is really good.

An issue is created if you are looking at contracts that are being actively targeted for ROFR. You really can’t budge below a certain ppp and so the negotiation is on closing costs, dues, and CAF.

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

An issue is created if you are looking at contracts that are being actively targeted for ROFR. You really can’t budge below a certain ppp and so the negotiation is on closing costs, dues, and CAF.

That’s what I thought but remember someone or people saying they weren’t sure if that was true.

Edit: that thought was based off of nothing, just assumed they were going for ppp only.

 

[haletiki]

An issue is created if you are looking at contracts that are being actively targeted for ROFR. You really can’t budge below a certain ppp and so the negotiation is on closing costs, dues, and CAF.

Well now I'm thinking that they may have been willing to take our lower ppp offer simply because we didn't even try to negotiate on having them pay any/all of the CAF.

We're going to see within a month here if that gamble paid off for us.

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

Well now I'm thinking that they may have been willing to take our lower ppp offer simply because we didn't even try to negotiate on having them pay any/all of the CAF.

We're going to see within a month here if that gamble paid off for us.

You got this! Let’s go!

 

[Girlstar30]

As a buyer these days, id rather pay CAF, get a price on the low side and have seller pay MF if the MF come out to more than CAF which for me they always would have.

No way I would pay both or buy a contract thats not a deal and pay CAF. But this is coming from someone that doesnt need points.

If I was new to membership I still wouldnt pay both but i would accept a mid price. Now if I didnt know any better because of disboards I would pay everything just to be a member as long as it was cheaper than continuing to pay cash to stay at these resorts and I think that thats where most buyers are probably at.