New Normal - what to pack

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I have been on several cruises and have my packing list but are there other things you would pack in the new normal?

So far I have
Masks
Vaccination Card or Testing Results
More hand sanitizer then normal

what else would you add? I am also thinking of things that would help. Like I don’t normally carry a bag around the ship but I might want one if I am carrying extra stuff
 
A refillable cup/bottle with straw. They don't do lids/straws anymore for sodas on the top deck (more environmental than covid related) but if you prefer a straw, best to bring your own refillable bottle.
 
I have been on several cruises and have my packing list but are there other things you would pack in the new normal?

So far I have
Masks
Vaccination Card or Testing Results
More hand sanitizer then normal

what else would you add? I am also thinking of things that would help. Like I don’t normally carry a bag around the ship but I might want one if I am carrying extra stuff
Patience
An open mind that things won't be like before
A positive attitude
Extra masks
 

I would bring a pack of Wet Ones and Lysol wipe cloths. They make them in travel size. Maybe even a can of Lysol for my cabin? More for peace of mind than anything else. And if I got stuck in the cabin for a longer length of time, maybe books to read or a deck of cards. I already download movies to my iPhone. And if I had to rely on room service because I was stuck in the room, maybe some Tobasco sauce to zip things up a bit. Oh, and my own chocolate stash? And some antibacterial liquid soap to wash out my masks, unless I brought a lot of disposable ones. I see that the illusive N95 masks are now available for a reasonable price on Amazon and are, in fact, required for some foreign airlines, over the cloth masks. The mask lanyard is a great idea.
 
People are talking about reusable straws but what about reusable cutlery. The washed state of table cutlery is sometimes less than perfect. Would it be weird to produce your own set of stainless steel or bamboo cutlery to use in the MDR?
 
Hmm, would a bamboo knife cut a steak?? You can't bring knives onboard. Pretty sure the industrial dishwashers 'sanitize' everything and Covid is supposedly air borne. BUT I don't think anything is weird these days! Whatever makes you comfortable. At one point I thought about bringing plastic disposable 'gloves' for the buffet but again, it's air borne so . . . .
 
Hmm, would a bamboo knife cut a steak?? You can't bring knives onboard. Pretty sure the industrial dishwashers 'sanitize' everything and Covid is supposedly air borne. BUT I don't think anything is weird these days! Whatever makes you comfortable. At one point I thought about bringing plastic disposable 'gloves' for the buffet but again, it's air borne so . . . .
That was my thought too. Sometimes theyll have visable spots or look cloudy, but im pretty sure they heat them so high its not a virus/bacteria concern, it just appears dirty?
 
People are talking about reusable straws but what about reusable cutlery. The washed state of table cutlery is sometimes less than perfect. Would it be weird to produce your own set of stainless steel or bamboo cutlery to use in the MDR?
It's a little different because people are talking about reusable straws due to Disney's commitment to being eco-friendly. They're trying to limit single use plastics so they've eliminated lids and their straws are paper. Some people struggle with paper straws because they take too long to finish their drinks which causes the straws to dissolve.
 
The reason I'm concerned is that I have used a dishwasher in my job before retirement. The manufacturer told us that the dishwashers at best only clean and sanitize, if they are not properly rinsed and every bit of saliva etc removed.....
They dont sterilize(obviously) Since people have actually put utensils in their mouths, isn't transmission a concern? I didn't use to worry before Covid BTW😀
 
The reason I'm concerned is that I have used a dishwasher in my job before retirement. The manufacturer told us that the dishwashers at best only clean and sanitize, if they are not properly rinsed and every bit of saliva etc removed.....
They dont sterilize(obviously) Since people have actually put utensils in their mouths, isn't transmission a concern? I didn't use to worry before Covid BTW😀
Have you not eaten at a restaurant in the last 18 months? A cruise may not be for you.
 
The reason I'm concerned is that I have used a dishwasher in my job before retirement. The manufacturer told us that the dishwashers at best only clean and sanitize, if they are not properly rinsed and every bit of saliva etc removed.....
They dont sterilize(obviously) Since people have actually put utensils in their mouths, isn't transmission a concern? I didn't use to worry before Covid BTW😀

The risk of transmission via contact like that is very low (per the medical professionals I work with). In order for it to be a COVID-19 concern, someone would have to be positive, shedding the virus, and have a decent viral load. They'd get saliva droplets on the utensil (from putting it in their mouth). However, someone else would have to pick that utensil up and put it in their mouth right away to possibly catch the virus. The droplets wouldn't 'survive' for a long period of time, nor would they through rinsing and a dishwasher (even if it only cleans and sanitizes). I mean, I don't want someone else's saliva on my utensils either :tongue:, but that's a pretty low COVID risk.
 
People are talking about reusable straws but what about reusable cutlery. The washed state of table cutlery is sometimes less than perfect. Would it be weird to produce your own set of stainless steel or bamboo cutlery to use in the MDR?

I always bring a reuseable (stainless steel) straw only because I hate paper straws. I am not worried about the safety of the cutlery. If you do bring your own cutlery bring a small bottle of dish detergent or soak a few small sponges (1 or 2 inches) in dish detergent and let them dry for a few days. You can then wet it when you need it and it soaps up. Also don't forget to take the cutlery with you when you leave the MDR. I have left my straw a few times.
 
The risk of transmission via contact like that is very low (per the medical professionals I work with). In order for it to be a COVID-19 concern, someone would have to be positive, shedding the virus, and have a decent viral load. They'd get saliva droplets on the utensil (from putting it in their mouth). However, someone else would have to pick that utensil up and put it in their mouth right away to possibly catch the virus. The droplets wouldn't 'survive' for a long period of time, nor would they through rinsing and a dishwasher (even if it only cleans and sanitizes). I mean, I don't want someone else's saliva on my utensils either :tongue:, but that's a pretty low COVID risk.
Thanks, that's great info.
 
Have you not eaten at a restaurant in the last 18 months? A cruise may not be for you.
No, actually. We haven't. Most of them around here were closed until maybe a month or so ago. We were at a pub patio last weekend and had a beer. It made me very nervous. Our cruise is next April so hoping for things to be better. I don't care for myself, fully vaxed, but I look after my 90 year old mom who has COPD.
 
No, actually. We haven't. Most of them around here were closed until maybe a month or so ago. We were at a pub patio last weekend and had a beer. It made me very nervous. Our cruise is next April so hoping for things to be better. I don't care for myself, fully vaxed, but I look after my 90 year old mom who has COPD.
Then I would advise to start practising again as of now, otherwise in April nothing has changed and you will still be nervous. It doesnt have to be every day or week in the beginning, but April is only 7 months away.
 
It will all depend on Covid. Maybe cruising won't be for us. Strange that Covid is unlikely to be passed on surfaces, yet washing hands, Lysol wipes, no buffets or self serve etc etc still being toted as very important. Like I said, I have my Mom to think about. We took her out of a care home to protect her. We'll just wait and see how things play out. I'm not really sure why anyone would care if I used my own utensils, but I did ask for your opinions, I've never cruised before. Like everyone walking around with masks on isn't a little weird. LOL We live in hope.
 
It will all depend on Covid. Maybe cruising won't be for us. Strange that Covid is unlikely to be passed on surfaces, yet washing hands, Lysol wipes, no buffets or self serve etc etc still being toted as very important. Like I said, I have my Mom to think about. We took her out of a care home to protect her. We'll just wait and see how things play out. I'm not really sure why anyone would care if I used my own utensils, but I did ask for your opinions, I've never cruised before. Like everyone walking around with masks on isn't a little weird. LOL We live in hope.
COVID won't jump from a surface into your nose and mouth. If, however, it's on your hands, your hands may end up touching your face (and depending on your age/habits) and end up in your nose and/or mouth. That's what handwashing and limiting the number who touch common utensils is about. I wouldn't be concerned about individual silverware.
 
It will all depend on Covid. Maybe cruising won't be for us. Strange that Covid is unlikely to be passed on surfaces, yet washing hands, Lysol wipes, no buffets or self serve etc etc still being toted as very important. Like I said, I have my Mom to think about. We took her out of a care home to protect her. We'll just wait and see how things play out. I'm not really sure why anyone would care if I used my own utensils, but I did ask for your opinions, I've never cruised before. Like everyone walking around with masks on isn't a little weird. LOL We live in hope.

While aerosol transmission of covid is an important route of transmission, it is not the only route, so the surface cleaning and other protocols still matter, especially in the particular environment of a cruise ship, where a infectious disease outbreak, once it starts, has the demonstrated potential to spread easily. Those measures also have the added benefit of significantly reducing the likelihood of there being a gastrointestinal disease outbreak, which would be problematic on its own, but would also confound the situation, since its symptoms can overlap with that of some of the symptoms of covid infection, making it challening to distinguish in the early stages. Makes everyone's lives much easier if it is less likely they're going to have norovirus show up too !

Since you are concerned in particular about cutlery, you may find it of benefit to read the following, which addresses the issue of commerical dishwashers and covid, as well as the NSF/ANSI standards for commercial food equipment [some consumer/home dishwashers also have a "sanitize" cycle that meets the NSF standard]; the articles are aimed at the commericial food industry/commercial kitchens:

"Can my dishwasher kill coronavirus" https://www.wasserstrom.com/blog/2020/06/02/can-my-dishwasher-kill-coronavirus/

"Sanitization & Clean Kitchens: Your Dishmachine & the Coronavirus" https://blog.hobartcorp.com/blog/sanitization-clean-kitchens-your-dishmachine-the-coronavirus

(from NSF) "Food equipment standards in a COVID-19 world" https://www.nafem.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/FE_Standards_COVID19_World.pdf

Per the Hobart article: "Sanitizing is defined as reducing the number of microorganisms to a safe level." And "Sanitization is a multi-step process that includes cleaning off food and scraps, rinsing to remove detergent and remaining soil, and applying a chemical sanitizing agent or reaching the minimum defined temperatures in the wash and rinse cycles. A commercial dishwasher automates these steps."

And a couple videos about dishwashing on board cruise ships:

From DCL, "Disney Cruise Line: Galley Steward"

"How to do Dish washing of Crew Mess dishes on Cruise Ship"
You will see a similar style of machine that is shown in the DCL video where they are loading plates; the machine in this video is a Hobart machine, which is the company who made one of the articles above. Just after 2:40 they show how they do cutlery. This may not be the exact model but is similar-looking; this video is a training video of it, probably way more info than you ever wanted to know:
 

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