New DVC coming to Disneyland?

sethschroeder

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Some talk in the resort part of the forums as well. Glad its at Disneyland as opposed to anywhere else. This way people will actually be buying to stay there unlike some of the other nonWDW location.
 

€lairebear

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Sep 12, 2019
That’s some good news. Do you think that will cause the gcv price per point to go down? However it seems like gcv still has the best location.
 
  • _auroraborealis_

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    Don't count on it until Anaheim gives approval. This isn;t Florida and Disney have to get a Conditional Use Permit and building authorization from the city, who have not been inclined to change to zoning codes for them to expand DVC in the past.
     

    montreid

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    so said the old DVC expansion on there that closed the theatre and Rainforest Cafe on the west side of DTD.....until Anaheim changed the rules and Disney walked away....
     

    skier_pete

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    Anaheim still needs to give the OK - which they haven't been keen on in the past. But I feel like Disney wouldn't be submitting for it if they didn't think it had the votes to go through. They made a lot of points with the city when they raised the minimum wage.

    Gonna be a lot of speculation. I have to imagine it will hurt VGC resale a little bit unless they jack up the points per night and the price per point. I myself while I've never bought direct would definitely consider a direct purchase at the Disneyland hotel, albiet likely a 50-100 point purchase. I know in theory VGC has a better "location" but there a lot about that hotel I don't care for all that much. I've never stayed at the Disneyland hotel, but I like visiting there better than visiting the VGC.
     

    CaliAdventurer

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    Anaheim still needs to give the OK - which they haven't been keen on in the past. But I feel like Disney wouldn't be submitting for it if they didn't think it had the votes to go through. They made a lot of points with the city when they raised the minimum wage.

    Gonna be a lot of speculation. I have to imagine it will hurt VGC resale a little bit unless they jack up the points per night and the price per point. I myself while I've never bought direct would definitely consider a direct purchase at the Disneyland hotel, albiet likely a 50-100 point purchase. I know in theory VGC has a better "location" but there a lot about that hotel I don't care for all that much. I've never stayed at the Disneyland hotel, but I like visiting there better than visiting the VGC.
    The location of VGC is really incomparable to any other DVC resort. The pool area was just redone and Napa Rose is one of the best restaurants at Disney and they are finally getting a real spa. There are only like 70 units so I don’t think it will hurt the price too much when you factor that the new DVC will likely go for well over $200 to begin and will have resale restrictions. But I hope I’m wrong so I can buy it!!
     

    emchen

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    Don't count on it until Anaheim gives approval. This isn;t Florida and Disney have to get a Conditional Use Permit and building authorization from the city, who have not been inclined to change to zoning codes for them to expand DVC in the past.
    This and the facebook thread counsel circumspection (nearly impossible I know cuz I would be ecstatic if it comes to fruition). But people cited zoning and the city's overall negative attitude towards time-shares in general, as major reasons to "cool our heels".

    But wouldn't it be awesome if it comes true??!! Love the mid-century modern aesthetic of DLH!
     

    AvidDisReader

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    I really love reading about politics and how things happen. When the Resort failed to materialize the basic reason seem to be just that the City Board members just did not like the Disney Execs that were negotiating. It fascinates me on how often it just comes down to personalities. Years ago I ran for my City Counsel mostly because so many on the board were anti business. They stopped a project from being built because the sign was too big. The developer became so frustrated he took the project to another town. In hind sight I am so glad I did not win, because I could never want to become so petty and not look at the big picture-kind of what the current Anaheim City officials seem to be.
     

    _auroraborealis_

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    I could never want to become so petty and not look at the big picture-kind of what the current Anaheim City officials seem to be.
    I think you're wrong about petty/big picture here. Anaheim City Council are following a very big picture plan - The Disneyland Resort Specific Plan, adopted in 1993. It's over 250 pages, before you even enter the Environmental Impact Study or the Development Standards Chapter in Anaheim City Code. The very definition of this kind of plan is "big picture." If you read through even the big parts, it's the blueprint for how California Adventure was developed, among other things. These kinds of plans are set to be long-term visions, with rules. It's not dissimilar to how most municipalities in many states do zoning (types of residential, where you can put heavy industry, can you put a chemical plant behind a school and is the fire department in the blast radius, etc.).

    This plan sets the maximum number of hotel units in each zoning district, and defines how many of those can be timeshare. The reason they restrict timeshare is multi-faceted, with a lot of it pointing to the convention area, and to the ease of booking for the average visitor.

    Anaheim also have wanted to diversify the hotel offerings. The last tax credit was on offer in hopes of getting a high-end hotel group to build (not Disney) and they were not happy when Disney jumped (although they couldn't legally restrict it from Disney), or when Disney demanded things above and beyond the tax credit on offer.

    It's not "petty" to want to not have one company controlling most of your hotel space, given Anaheim's goals. Anaheim are not in a place right now where the employment numbers are a concern to them, as employment is very high and available local housing is extremely low. It's also not petty for Anaheim to want to understand the benefits to them (beyond the occupancy tax). Disney aren't pitching this because they are benevolent. They want to build this because they can charge $250pp.
     

    _auroraborealis_

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    If it works, they will make $$$$.

    If it doesn't, Terri distracts everyone while releasing 2021 point charts that up the lockoff premium.
     

    montreid

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    I think you're wrong about petty/big picture here. Anaheim City Council are following a very big picture plan - The Disneyland Resort Specific Plan, adopted in 1993. It's over 250 pages, before you even enter the Environmental Impact Study or the Development Standards Chapter in Anaheim City Code. The very definition of this kind of plan is "big picture." If you read through even the big parts, it's the blueprint for how California Adventure was developed, among other things. These kinds of plans are set to be long-term visions, with rules. It's not dissimilar to how most municipalities in many states do zoning (types of residential, where you can put heavy industry, can you put a chemical plant behind a school and is the fire department in the blast radius, etc.).

    This plan sets the maximum number of hotel units in each zoning district, and defines how many of those can be timeshare. The reason they restrict timeshare is multi-faceted, with a lot of it pointing to the convention area, and to the ease of booking for the average visitor.

    Anaheim also have wanted to diversify the hotel offerings. The last tax credit was on offer in hopes of getting a high-end hotel group to build (not Disney) and they were not happy when Disney jumped (although they couldn't legally restrict it from Disney), or when Disney demanded things above and beyond the tax credit on offer.

    It's not "petty" to want to not have one company controlling most of your hotel space, given Anaheim's goals. Anaheim are not in a place right now where the employment numbers are a concern to them, as employment is very high and available local housing is extremely low. It's also not petty for Anaheim to want to understand the benefits to them (beyond the occupancy tax). Disney aren't pitching this because they are benevolent. They want to build this because they can charge $250pp.
    Disney has 11% of HOTEL rooms. That doesn't count all the motel style rooms along Harbor nor all the new rooms coming online in 2020+2021 from JW Marriott to Westin to Element.

    There's no shortage of rooms and a DVC isn't going to impact that much. Anaheim probably just knows that DVC stays don't generate as much for the City as it does for the mouse.


    Anaheim Resort™ District / GG 92 20,199 rooms
    Within 1/4 mile of convention center 10 4,469
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    Embassy Suites Anaheim South 375 11,000
    Anaheim Marriott Suites 371 9,000
     

    Drewferin

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    Let's imagine that this is sold for $220 a point with Riveria type restrictions. Will the restrictions change anybody purchasing decision?
     

    emchen

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    No.

    Because the probability that an owner will use points outside of home resort is inversely proportional to the cost per point per year. Therefore the higher the cost, the less likely said owner will use the points outside of home resort, and the less they will care about resale restrictions.
     

    _auroraborealis_

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    Disney has 11% of HOTEL rooms. That doesn't count all the motel style rooms along Harbor nor all the new rooms coming online in 2020+2021 from JW Marriott to Westin to Element.
    But that's across multiple zoning districts. Anaheim also considers mix within specific districts. Nature of zoning.
     

    Disn3yVision

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    Anaheim still needs to give the OK - which they haven't been keen on in the past. But I feel like Disney wouldn't be submitting for it if they didn't think it had the votes to go through. They made a lot of points with the city when they raised the minimum wage.

    Gonna be a lot of speculation. I have to imagine it will hurt VGC resale a little bit unless they jack up the points per night and the price per point. I myself while I've never bought direct would definitely consider a direct purchase at the Disneyland hotel, albiet likely a 50-100 point purchase. I know in theory VGC has a better "location" but there a lot about that hotel I don't care for all that much. I've never stayed at the Disneyland hotel, but I like visiting there better than visiting the VGC.
    Just curious, what dont you care for at VGC? Having stayed at BRV and and VGC multiple times, i feel like VGC did the wilderness lodge theme much better, and it is literally directly connected to DCA and closer to Disneyland than BLT is to MK. When you consider DCA and DL have as many attractions as all 4 WDW gates combined, its like having all of WDW at your fingertips within a 5 minute walk and that is priceless, biggest plus of any DVC resort IMO... Of course this is just my opinion, curious to hear yours.
     

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