New "120" Day Rule and AKV Concierge

[global_mom]

It comes as a magazine in an envelope in the mail. It will also be appear on-line at the offical DVC site although that has not occurred yet for this issue. Some get it sooner than others. If you do not have it by end of next, you might want to call MS

Hopefully it will arrive soon. We got our add-on box today but there was not a copy in the box as the new DVC members had in their boxes.

 

[WSK]

Is this an email brochure or an actual paper magazine? We have not received anything yet.

Ours was in the "real" mailbox yesterday, and we leave about 150 miles from Disney.

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

I received mine yesterday.

 

[JBCP]

I am very disappointed with the new 120 day rule for booking non-DVC/Disneyland resorts, especially as I --just-- joined. With my Sept UY, that severely restricts my ability to make end-of-summer plans. This means that if I want to do anything in August, I'll have to get all my plans in order in May. With the original rule, I had through July.

Granted, it's all subject to availability, and I did not buy into DVC primarily for the concierge collection, but I would never have chosen a Sept UY if I'd known about that. Summer is the --only-- time we're likely to make last minute plans, and now this won't work for us unless I decide to add-on with a different UY.

 

[Inkmahm]

I am very disappointed with the new 120 day rule for booking non-DVC/Disneyland resorts, especially as I --just-- joined. With my Sept UY, that severely restricts my ability to make end-of-summer plans. This means that if I want to do anything in August, I'll have to get all my plans in order in May. With the original rule, I had through July.

Granted, it's all subject to availability, and I did not buy into DVC primarily for the concierge collection, but I would never have chosen a Sept UY if I'd known about that. Summer is the --only-- time we're likely to make last minute plans, and now this won't work for us unless I decide to add-on with a different UY.

And to add on and get a different UY you'd have to add at least 160 points, I believe. Plus that brings up issues of not being able to combine points between your contracts unless you do an official transfer between them. You'd actually have two master contracts as all contracts under one master have the same UY.

I don't mind the change because we have an Oct UY and we never ever travel to Disney in summer. Those 4 months before Oct 1 are already dead time to us so it doesn't matter. I can see why others would be upset though. But we picked Oct for that very reason originally.

 

[SuzanneSLO]

I am very disappointed with the new 120 day rule for booking non-DVC/Disneyland resorts, especially as I --just-- joined.

Currenlty, the DLR hotels are not included in the 120 booking rule (or the 60 day rule that applies thru the end of 2007), but I would guess this will change when the GCV opens to further "simplify" the rules.

Best of luck -- Suzanne

 

[JBCP]

One of the reasons I thought September would work is because we are very unlikely to travel to WDW in the summer. But I liked the opiton of some last-minute travel elsewhere (last minute for us meaning planning in June or July for August).

Here's a question. If you are in the last 120 days of your UY, and you have already banked all your remaining points, can you borrow from the next UY and travel within that last 120 days? IOW, say it's July 2008. I have a Sept UY and have already banked my leftover 2007 points. I would like to go to a Concierge Hotel for a few nights at the end of August. Can I borrow 2008 points for that?

 

[sjdisneywedding]

I think "keeping it simple" would be "leaving it alone".

I agree, you have to be a complete moron not to be able to read a simple chart. Its not very difficult to remember, its not like th euse year changes from year to year

 

[Good Ol Gal]

One of the reasons I thought September would work is because we are very unlikely to travel to WDW in the summer. But I liked the opiton of some last-minute travel elsewhere (last minute for us meaning planning in June or July for August).

Here's a question. If you are in the last 120 days of your UY, and you have already banked all your remaining points, can you borrow from the next UY and travel within that last 120 days? IOW, say it's July 2008. I have a Sept UY and have already banked my leftover 2007 points. I would like to go to a Concierge Hotel for a few nights at the end of August. Can I borrow 2008 points for that?

As long as they are current 2008 points (not the banked 2007 ones) you should be able to.

 

[Caskbill]

Regarding the banking window and whether it's 120 days or 4 months makes a difference depending on what your use year month is.

Here's a chart for each use year month and the last day you could bank points, depending on whether it's at 4-months prior to the end of your use year, or 120 days prior to the end of your use year.

Example: Someone with a September UY month wishing to bank their 2007 points would have to do so NLT April 30, 2008 if it's a 4-month window. But if it's actually 120 days, then they would have up to May 3, 2008 to bank their points.

Month.....4-month window.....120 day window
Feb...Sep 30...Oct 3
Mar...Oct 31...Oct 31
Apr...Nov 30...Dec 1
Jun...Jan 31...Jan 31
Aug...Mar 31...Apr 2
Sep...Apr 30...May 3
Oct...May 31...Jun 2
Dec...Jul 31...Aug 2

Looking at it, it seems that 4-months is 'simplier', but 120 days is more 'fair' meaning everyone has the exact same number of days prior to the end of their use year to bank. Using end of month dates, some people can bank at 120 days prior to the end of their use year, while others must bank by 123 days prior to the end of their use year.

Just .02

Guess I'm going to need to send an e-mail to get it clarified as to whether it's 4-months or 120 days. Hopefully they'll answer. (I've send other questions before and never got answers, EG booking windows, but that's another issue)

 

[LisaS]

Here's a chart for each use year month and the last day you could bank points, depending on whether it's at 4-months prior to the end of your use year, or 120 days prior to the end of your use year.
Month.....4-month window.....120 day window
Feb...Sep 30...Oct 3
Mar...Oct 31...Oct 31
Apr...Nov 30...Dec 1
Jun...Jan 31...Jan 31
Aug...Mar 31...Apr 2
Sep...Apr 30...May 3
Oct...May 31...Jun 2
Dec...Jul 31...Aug 2

And just to make it even more fun, for those with a UY of Mar, Apr or Jun the banking deadline will be one day later in those years when the end of their UY is in a leap year:

Feb: Oct 3
Mar: Oct 31 (LY: Nov 1)
Apr: Dec 1 (LY: Dec 2)
Jun: Jan 31 (LY: Feb 1)
Aug: Apr 2
Sep: May 3
Oct: Jun 2
Dec: Aug 2

 

[Boston5602]

(snip)

Guess I'm going to need to send an e-mail to get it clarified as to whether it's 4-months or 120 days. Hopefully they'll answer. (I've send other questions before and never got answers, EG booking windows, but that's another issue)

MS figure's if you don't know the answer , they certainly aren't going to know ! <G>

 

[bobbiwoz]

I guess this wasn't an annoucement that had been thought through thoroughly!!

 

[salmoneous]

Fun discussion, but from a practical standpoint everybody should assume the rule is 4 months. It's easier to remember, and nobody should be trying to bank 121 days out.

Note - I have a Yahoo email account with a calendar function. I assume most folks have access to something similar. I have it send me an email 6 1/2 month out reminding me to bank any unspent points. It took about 30 seconds to set up. I'll update it to 4 1/2 months with the new rules.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Unless, of course, four months really means four months in the same sense that the current system uses six months, nine months, and ten months.

I suspect that somewhere, in a deep, dark dungeon under Cindy's castle, there is a poor, sad proofreader who messed up -- a pathetic soul who we will never see again. I'd bet when they say "Bank or book by four before" they mean four before, and nobody thought the math through as carefully as drusba did.

I'm also having a recurring nightmare of poor Caskbill sitting at his computer, mumbling, "Thirty days hath September..." Poor Bill...for his sake, I hope the 120 was a mistake!

LOL, yes, I was worried about Bill and wondering about that 120 day thing too. I would hope there is SOME sort of clarification on that in the future. It certainly doesn't make the "simplification" seem so simple.

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

None of my points ever make it to the banking stage...so I guess 120 days vs. 4 mos won't really make a difference with me!

 

[JimC]

And just to make it even more fun, for those with a UY of Mar, Apr or Jun the banking deadline will be one day later in those years when the end of their UY is in a leap year:

Feb: Oct 3
Mar: Oct 31 (LY: Nov 1)
Apr: Dec 1 (LY: Dec 2)
Jun: Jan 31 (LY: Feb 1)
Aug: Apr 2
Sep: May 3
Oct: Jun 2
Dec: Aug 2

In a leap year does my Feb use year end on the 28th or the 29th?

 

[rantnnravin]

Originally Posted by JBCP View Post
Here's a question. If you are in the last 120 days of your UY, and you have already banked all your remaining points, can you borrow from the next UY and travel within that last 120 days? IOW, say it's July 2008. I have a Sept UY and have already banked my leftover 2007 points. I would like to go to a Concierge Hotel for a few nights at the end of August. Can I borrow 2008 points for that?

As long as they are current 2008 points (not the banked 2007 ones) you should be able to.

Why? Wouldn't MS still have the full 2008 UY to work out booking arrangements with CRO?

 

[LisaS]

In a leap year does my Feb use year end on the 28th or the 29th?

OK, is this a trick question? A Feb UY would end on Jan 31st, leap year or not. A March UY, however, would end on Feb 29th.