Need help from smokers(please no flaming)

[minnie mum]

This is true. Though in the interest of promoting clear language and understanding of the devices, for anyone reading, Id like to make sure we all know that one does not "smoke" an electronic "cigarette". Nothing is burned and no smoke is involved.

I know a lot of people that have been able to avoid the temptation of tobacco by using them and have quit smoking entirely. Personal vaporizers and vaping seems to be the more accurate and preferred term by those interested in educating the public about the difference.

Ok. Allow me to amend my previous post.

As far as Disney is concerned a cigarette is a cigarette, whether it is tobacco or electronic. Tobacco cigarettes are to be smoked and "personal vaporizers" are to be sucked on only in the DSAs. better?

 

[FigNewton]

Ok. Allow me to amend my previous post.

As far as Disney is concerned a cigarette is a cigarette, whether it is tobacco or electronic. Tobacco cigarettes are to be smoked and "personal vaporizers" are to be sucked on only in the DSAs. better?

You sound defensive. I wasn't attacking or correcting you, I was just trying to provide terminology that helps prevent demonizing, by lumping them in with tobacco use, what has been a helpful tool for a lot of people to get off of tobacco entirely.

 

[meredith1]

Ok. Allow me to amend my previous post.

As far as Disney is concerned a cigarette is a cigarette, whether it is tobacco or electronic. Tobacco cigarettes are to be smoked and "personal vaporizers" are to be sucked on only in the DSAs. better?

I believe that the OP is trying to be considerate-even preplanning being considerate. The title read, "no flames, please." I don't smoke and rolled my eyes at this.

 

[Talking Hands]

My daughters are smokers and I am not. The only time I was upset is when a mother decided to use the DSA as a diaper changing area and expected the girls to stop smoking so he baby didn't get any smoke. Mom, why are you using a DSA to change your child. Go to the restroom or baby care center.

 

[robinb]

I believe that the OP is trying to be considerate-even preplanning being considerate. The title read, "no flames, please." I don't smoke and rolled my eyes at this.

Her post wasn't directed at the OP . It was directed at FigNewton who used her post as an example of what not to say and to differentiate between using nicotine via inhaling smoke from a lit cigarette and from the vapor of an e-cigarette. Personally, I felt that FigNewton's post on the subject was somewhat testy.

 

[FigNewton]

Her post wasn't directed at the OP . It was directed at FigNewton who used her post as an example of what not to say and to differentiate between using nicotine via inhaling smoke from a lit cigarette and from the vapor of an e-cigarette. Personally, I felt that FigNewton's post on the subject was somewhat testy.

Somewhat testy? I kinda worked hard to make sure I was addressing the subject, that it wasnt personal, that it was about the subject and avoided an emotionally charged tone, with the intention of using a dispassionate clinical/academic tone.

Did I sound mad? Did I sound snippy? Was it my diction?

These are honest questions.

 

[BAMLuvMickey]

Thank you all for addressing my concerns. I very much loved the gum suggestion and think I may hook her up with that as well. She would probably love it when we go on the thrill rides since she doesnt ride them and she was just sitting and enjoying herself(she hardly ever does).

As for the electronic cigarette, I would definitly still tell my mother she would have to use it in the DSA's at the parks, but was wondering if Disney would "sway" a little in the resorts(not the rooms, but say outside the resort door or at a pool) since they do not smell(the ones i have seen used anyway) or emit any actual smoke, just so my mom wouldnt have to walk forever and a day to get her "fix". Or even say after security check in at the airport(hidden in a bathroom stall, maybe) waiting to catch our plane

The hubby and i were joking that we would have to hook her up with the patch and some chantix just to make sure she was happy, lol
I'll have to make her a going to disney goodie bag... with some gum...

 

[jdcthree]

Somewhat testy? I kinda worked hard to make sure I was addressing the subject, that it wasnt personal, that it was about the subject and avoided an emotionally charged tone, with the intention of using a dispassionate clinical/academic tone.

Did I sound mad? Did I sound snippy? Was it my diction?

These are honest questions.

For what it's worth, I didn't think you sounded mad or snippy. I thought you were just taking time to clarify the difference. It was helpful to me because after reading the previous comments in this thread, I was a little confused about electronic "cigarettes." Your post helped clear it up.

 

[robinb]

Somewhat testy? I kinda worked hard to make sure I was addressing the subject, that it wasnt personal, that it was about the subject and avoided an emotionally charged tone, with the intention of using a dispassionate clinical/academic tone.

Did I sound mad? Did I sound snippy? Was it my diction?

These are honest questions.

Since you asked, you sounded like you were lecturing and "taking to task" minnie mum on her wording. To me (and obviously minnie mum) it did seem like it was personal and you were singling her out. Then, instead of saying, "Gee, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way. I wasn't attacking or correcting you ..." you said, "You seem defensive. I wasn't ..." The first smooths feathers and makes nice, the second pokes in stick in her eye.

 

[Bellamouse]

We don't smoke, but have gone on three trips with another couple who do. I don't know if they smoked less or not (probably), but we didn't find it annoying at all to stop for them while they smoked. It didn't seem very often to me and was completely manageable. We welcomed the break to stop and sit down for a couple minutes, or pop into a gift shop and look around, or go get a bottled water or ice cream or whatever. It was really no big deal at all. In fact, last year we went with a different, non-smoking couple, and they were 100 x more annoying than our smoker friends. They couldn't take all the walking and had to sit down and rest every 2 minutes it seemed. And they couldn't keep up with our pace - even though we're not really fast walkers (??). So we would rather go with the smokers again any time over the slowpokes.

The smoker husband did have his e-cigarette with him in the parks, and he was asked by a CM to put it away when he tried using it in a non DSA. So I can vouch for the fact that they don't allow you to use the e-cigs outside the DSA. I thought it was a silly rule, since as others have pointed out, it's NOT SMOKE, but we didn't make any kind of stink about it (no pun intended ). It wasn't that important.

 

[minnie mum]

As for the electronic cigarette, I would definitly still tell my mother she would have to use it in the DSA's at the parks, but was wondering if Disney would "sway" a little in the resorts(not the rooms, but say outside the resort door or at a pool) since they do not smell(the ones i have seen used anyway) or emit any actual smoke, just so my mom wouldnt have to walk forever and a day to get her "fix". Or even say after security check in at the airport(hidden in a bathroom stall, maybe) waiting to catch our plane
...

I could be wrong but I don't see why your mom couldn't use an e-cigarette (or personal inhaler or whatever you prefer to call it- I call it the fake white plastic stick thingy) in her resort room or a bathroom stall. She would not be smoking, is my point. Thus no need to traipse across the resort to the nearest DSA. As for the resort pool- it's likely that there is a DSA in close proximity (check the resort map to check the resort you are staying at. Here's a link to the resort map index: http://www.wdwinfo.com/maps/index.htm#resort). The problem with using these items outside a DSA is that most people just assume the person is smoking, and get their knickers in a twist.

 

[robinb]

I could be wrong but I don't see why your mom couldn't use an e-cigarette (or personal inhaler or whatever you prefer to call it- I call it the fake white plastic stick thingy) in her resort room or a bathroom stall. She would not be smoking, is my point. Thus no need to traipse across the resort to the nearest DSA. As for the resort pool- it's likely that there is a DSA in close proximity (check the resort map to check the resort you are staying at. Here's a link to the resort map index: http://www.wdwinfo.com/maps/index.htm#resort). The problem with using these items outside a DSA is that most people just assume the person is smoking, and get their knickers in a twist.

I was thinking the same thing. Just have your mom "vaporize" in her resort room. If she walks around in a non-DSA then she might be bothered by someone who thinks she is actually smoking. I don't believe that e-cigarettes will damage the room or create a smell. The only thing that may be an issue is some possible residual nicotine in the room and a subsequent guest having a sensitivity to nicotine. But, I think I read somewhere that the exhaled vapors are just water so I'm not sure what the real risk would be.

 

[dansyr2514]

I quit smoking about yr ago but when I used to smoke, I did smoke less at Disney.
I think you get caught up in what's going on around you so the desire is less.
However, the one thing I dislike about some of the DSA's at Disney is that some are situated by a major walkway and non smokers need to walk through your smoke to pass.
I always wanted to be respectful to non smokers so I generally wouldn't smoke in the areas the were near walkways.

 

[CuppieCake04]

I smoke, and smoked a LOT less at disney. And as far as MAPPING out the DSA, almost every smoke i had in a park was cause I could SMELL the DSA way before we could see it..

If your mom is a chain smoker she will be uncomfortable, even with gum. If she is accustomed to lighting whenever.. she would prolly appreciate the gum. If she already smokes outside, or on work breaks, she will be able to get through the day and be ok without the gum. There are not a LOT of DSAs but the ones they do have seem to be located close to the thrill rides...perhaps they think we will need one to calm our nerves....LOL

 

[Bullseye]

Ok. Allow me to amend my previous post.

As far as Disney is concerned a cigarette is a cigarette, whether it is tobacco or electronic. Tobacco cigarettes are to be smoked and "personal vaporizers" are to be sucked on only in the DSAs. better?

No not better, actually the bolded part is insulting...you couldn't just say "tobacco and electronic cigarettes are to be consumed only in the DSA's".

Somewhat testy? I kinda worked hard to make sure I was addressing the subject, that it wasnt personal, that it was about the subject and avoided an emotionally charged tone, with the intention of using a dispassionate clinical/academic tone.

Did I sound mad? Did I sound snippy? Was it my diction?

These are honest questions.

Relax Fig, you made a well-put informative point without being snotty or defensive. The point is most people (especially non smokers) aren't familiar with the term "vaping" so they immediately lump it in with smoking. Most are never going to make the distinction because they're too busy being haughty.

 

[LockShockBarrel]

What people seem to be forgetting is that for the purposes of this thread, Disney DOES consider them the same thing. Anyone's phrasing on here is a moot point. Disney's policy on traditional cigarettes and electronic cigarettes is the same, you are supposed to imbibe in the DSAs.

Now aside from the rules, I would have a hard time believing Disney would know if you used an e cig in your room. I've been around them a couple times and to me they just smell sort of musty not certainly not like a traditional cigarette.

 

[Tiggr924]

I guess it goes back to what the e-ciggs actually release when considering the resort rooms and pool areas. I know nothing about them and am not trying to make any assumptions. I am not a smoker and have bad asthma/allergies to smoke, nicotine, etc. I always appreciate when people use the DSAs and know what areas to try and avoid. Depending on what the e-ciggs release, I could potentially see a problem with resort rooms (knowing my own personal issues). But again, I know nothing about them so I couldn't really say.

 

[Radiorox]

In June I saw a CM direct a person who was using an e-cig on Mainstreet to the nearest DSA. The guest pointed out that it wasn't a real cig and the CM politely told them that it did not matter and that it must be used at a DSA. I found it strange seeing as the E-Cig doesn't emit odor of any kind but, I suppose when dealing with guests enmasse it's easier to have a stance than have others break rules because they saw someone vaping on Spaceship Earth.

I do appreciate the DSAs. I quit smoking about 6 years ago and found that the smoke really annoys me now.

 

[FigNewton]

Since you asked, you sounded like you were lecturing and "taking to task" minnie mum on her wording. To me (and obviously minnie mum) it did seem like it was personal and you were singling her out. Then, instead of saying, "Gee, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way. I wasn't attacking or correcting you ..." you said, "You seem defensive. I wasn't ..." The first smooths feathers and makes nice, the second pokes in stick in her eye.

Thanks for your feedback. I read it last night and decided not to react right away and slept on it.

In the end, I still don't see it. There wasnt anything personal there. I can't help it if someone gets defensive when nothing offensive was said. At least some people read it in the right light.

 

[FigNewton]

What people seem to be forgetting is that for the purposes of this thread, Disney DOES consider them the same thing. Anyone's phrasing on here is a moot point. Disney's policy on traditional cigarettes and electronic cigarettes is the same, you are supposed to imbibe in the DSAs.

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Nah, I don't think anyone's forgotten. I even agreed on that point when I made the post about the differences. But personally I don't really think you can separate the issues when talking about it because so many people still lump vaping and smoking in together - Disney's policy is just one example.

That said, it's a somewhat understandable, if lamentable, policy. Understandable though it may be, I still think its important to make sure the factual distinctions aren't lost in the conversation.