Need DVC Buying Advice

It's in the Public Offering Statement. It does state that should DVC decide to remove the property from DVC, you would no longer be able to use your points to stay at other DVC resorts. Only at the one you owned that was separated. And if they remove it because of condemnation or lack of quality, you would be out of luck.

Any points at VB could only be used at 7 months at other resorts if it were still joined to DVC.

Well, that explains the drastic price difference. Thank you.:thumbsup2 You seem quite knowledgeable. If you do buy say SSR and you decide say 5 months out you would like BCV (no special view) is this almost impossible. I guess I am trying to gauge is the reality of the booking procedure. What is the furthest out you would say-- sure you could get BCV 7 or 8 months out but definately, never _____ months out
 
Well, that explains the drastic price difference. Thank you.:thumbsup2 You seem quite knowledgeable. If you do buy say SSR and you decide say 5 months out you would like BCV (no special view) is this almost impossible. I guess I am trying to gauge is the reality of the booking procedure. What is the furthest out you would say-- sure you could get BCV 7 or 8 months out but definately, never _____ months out

It all depends. If you want something special like a dedicated two bedroom villa, you need BCV owner status for that. If you are looking at going in Oct for Food & Wine Festival, you need to book no later than 7 months out. Summer time, SAB (Stormalong Bay pool) is very popular, so you need to book at 7 months out.

We sold our BCV points about a year or so ago (too many points, too many dues), and we booked BCV one bedroom villa (one bedroom probably easier than a studio or two bedroom) at 7 months out exactly for late May/early June.
 
It all depends. If you want something special like a dedicated two bedroom villa, you need BCV owner status for that. If you are looking at going in Oct for Food & Wine Festival, you need to book no later than 7 months out. Summer time, SAB (Stormalong Bay pool) is very popular, so you need to book at 7 months out.

We sold our BCV points about a year or so ago (too many points, too many dues), and we booked BCV one bedroom villa (one bedroom probably easier than a studio or two bedroom) at 7 months out exactly for late May/early June.

:thumbsup2 Thank you. I am now leaning towards a split BCV/BWV 150 contract. You have been a great help. Thanks for the education :teacher:
 

One reason VB dues are higher is because of higher insurance premiums. OTOH, should the resort be destroyed by a hurricane and not rebuilt, then the owners there would receive the insurance distribution.

You do realize I hope that if you buy two smaller contracts at different home resorts, you cannot combine the points at 11-months to get the home resort advantage. You can only use actual home resort points to book at that specific home resort at 11-months. At 7-months the points can be combined to be used at any resort.

While dues can go up annually, they can only go up as needed to meet increasing costs to actually operate the resort. As salaries go up for housekeeping and other staff, insurance premiums go up, taxes go up, utilities go up, then dues will go up to cover those actual increases only. DVC cannot raise dues simply to increase their own profit. DVC management has a fiduciary responsibility to the owners.

You cannot just compare the rate of increase in dues to the rate of increase in regular WDW hotel rooms because the base cost is so different. Suppose you're paying $5/point in dues, and a Studio is 10 pts/night, then you are paying $50 for a night (dues only). If dues go up 3%, then it's $5.15/point, or $51.50 for a night, an increase of $1.50/night.

But if a WDW hotel room is $168/night ($150 + $18 tax) and it goes up 3%, then it goes to $173.04/night, an increase of $5.04/night. Over a 7-day vacation that's an increase of $35.28 compared to the DVC (dues) increase of $10.50 for the week. Keep doing that for 20 or 30 years, and you'll see the differences get considerably larger.

If you do the math, then depending on what you originally pay to buy DVC, how you finance, etc., you'll find that in anywhere from 6 to 10 years you've broken even and after that it's a savings compared to regular WDW hotel rooms. Keep in mind that's trying to compare apples to apples, DVC studio to a WDW hotel. Many owners elect to get better accommodations instead,such as one or two bedroom villas. In this case they're not saving a lot of money over a WDW hotel room, but are getting much better accommodations. Something many could not afford if it were not for DVC.
 
I think you're making a mistake. This just isnt a good choice right now. I have a friend who's a lawyer and he told me that there are better investments with less risk and without the all the baggage of owning Disney.
 
Thank you everyone for your input. Research is key to making the right decisions. Thanks.
 
As a DVC member, I dont think its worth the points to stay at the Polynesian. I am looking at the points chart right now, and for Feb14-March 29, a garden view is 50 pts per weeknight,and 91 pts for fri/sat. And that is the least desirable view. Now staying at a 1 BR VWL at the same time frame is 30pts weekday and 60 pts weekend. That is for the busiest time of year.Besides Holidays. You can stay at OKW or about any other Villas for less points, especially during your August stay. IMO, the points at Poly arent worth it at all.
 
Really. You think there is a possibility of VB being removed from the DVC group. I didn't think that was an option. Well that certainly removes that from consideration. Do you believe that it could be the same for HH? I know that VB is not worth 112 my point was just economically if you really don't care that much about where you stay (OKW, SSR, etc) why would you go with a 112 contract instead of a 48.

I wouldnt let the possibility of a hurricane drive me away from purchasing DVC points. We are owners at HH. While these two properties are on the Ocean, we were at WDW in 2004,and Hurricane Charlie hit Orlando. I saw more damage to that area from a hurricane than I cared to. Trees uprooted,etc. Who would`ve thought a hurricane would be in the middle of the state? Lots of damage at the airport. So, while we left Sarasota as part of an evacuation, the hurricane was worse in Orlando. Buy where you can afford to buy, you can use your points anywhere DVC has property. Like I said before, we own at HHI, but have been to WDW resorts more times and never had a problem getting where we wanted to stay. Flexibility is necessary for just about every life circumstance IMO. Good luck deciding.
 
One suggestion. Don't buy VB unless you really want to use your points at VB. The dues at VB are the highest of any resort and they continue to go up. In the future, VB could even cease to be a part of DVC because of it's distance from WDW. I don't think DVC is selling VB for $112 because they know it's not worth that. BCV, yes. VB, no.

Does that mean HHI will cease to exist also? It is further away. There are many places to stay with DVC, not just WDW, which makes it more attractive IMO. I know many people that own other timeshares and have to go the same week every year, or switchwith another member. What a pain. I do not believe DVC will segregate HHI or VB. They keep adding places to go, not taking them away.
 
:thumbsup2 Thank you. I am now leaning towards a split BCV/BWV 150 contract. You have been a great help. Thanks for the education :teacher:

i'm not sure what you mean by a "split" contract. If you buy a 75 point contract for BWV and another one for BCV, you'd have 150 total points, but you'd have 2 contracts. Also keep in mind that you'll only be able to use the BWV points for BWV until the 7 month mark (and the same for the BCV points). At 7 months or less, you'd be able to use all 150 points towards any DVC resort, based on availability.

If it were me, I'd buy one resort so that you'd have all 150 points to use during the 11-7 month period, with the option to change at 7 months if you are able to.
 
i'm not sure what you mean by a "split" contract. If you buy a 75 point contract for BWV and another one for BCV, you'd have 150 total points, but you'd have 2 contracts. Also keep in mind that you'll only be able to use the BWV points for BWV until the 7 month mark (and the same for the BCV points). At 7 months or less, you'd be able to use all 150 points towards any DVC resort, based on availability.

If it were me, I'd buy one resort so that you'd have all 150 points to use during the 11-7 month period, with the option to change at 7 months if you are able to.

No, I would buy 150 points at BWV and 150 points at BCV and use the banking borrowing system to have home resort at both resort every other year. We need a total of 300 to take the vacations. ;)
 
Parkerhopper wrote:
I think you're making a mistake. This just isnt a good choice right now. I have a friend who's a lawyer and he told me that there are better investments with less risk and without the all the baggage of owning Disney.

First, and most anyone who owns DVC will agree, you do not buy this as an investment! It is a vacation plan, and it isn't for everyone! However, it does make great sense for some of us!! My husband and I just added on 100 points to our excisiting 150 and are thinking of adding more. Now is the right time for us! We bought our house smart, saved money instead of spending and paid CASH for ALL of our DVC points!!

So it may not be a good choice for you or your lawyer friend but for some of us it is - and with resale down $5 - 10$ per point (more on SSR) now is a good time to buy IMO!
 
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Obviously, Parkerhopper is looking for trouble. They only have 3 posts and all 3 are negative.

Parkerhopper wrote:
I think you're making a mistake. This just isnt a good choice right now. I have a friend who's a lawyer and he told me that there are better investments with less risk and without the all the baggage of owning Disney.

First, and most anyone who owns DVC will agree, you do not buy this as an investment! It is a vacation plan, and it isn't for everyone! However, it does make great sense for some of us!! My husband and I just added on 100 points to our excisiting 150 and are thinking of adding more. Now is the right time for us! We bought our house smart, saved money instead of spending and paid CASH for ALL of our DVC points!!

So it may not be a good choice for you or your lawyer friend but for some of us it is - and with resale down $5 - 10$ per point (more on SSR) now is a good time to buy IMO!
 
I think you're making a mistake. This just isnt a good choice right now. I have a friend who's a lawyer and he told me that there are better investments with less risk and without the all the baggage of owning Disney.

I think this is a GREAT choice right now if this is what you want. Not only are the prices so much lower than they have been, but for a place like BCV, there are actually LISTINGS!!!:banana: When we bought AKV in 2007, we knew we would want to add on eventually at BCV- but the resale market had SO few listings; the fact that you can actually buy BCV right now makes this the right time to buy irregardless of the price factor coming down (not that I don't think that's great, too!;) ).

Does that mean HHI will cease to exist also? It is further away. There are many places to stay with DVC, not just WDW, which makes it more attractive IMO. I know many people that own other timeshares and have to go the same week every year, or switchwith another member. What a pain. I do not believe DVC will segregate HHI or VB. They keep adding places to go, not taking them away.

I agree. I think DVC is trying to grow everywhere, and having resorts to trade into off property makes the whole thing more attractive to us, too. Getting rid of HHI or VB doesn't go with that type of expansion. The recession is horrible- but it won't last forever! I think DVC will be its most successful if it continues to develop properties outside of WDW, even if it has to slow that process down for the economy at present. Just my 2 cents.:flower3:
 











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