NCL to return to E Muster Drills April 1

[Uncwmark]

Not even sure how it would be possible to calculate the cost of either. The staff are already on the ship, so I would think the cost would be zero.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/cruise-ship-muster-drill-changes-reasons/

That was the reason why Disney went back to in-person muster…. Much less staff resources needed to conduct one thirty minute drill than station staff around the ship at all the muster stations for a 3 - 5 hour period. If you don’t do e-muster you don’t need as many CM on the ship — which means a reduction of expenses (which Disney has publicly stated they’re doing across the organization)….

 

[tvguy]

https://thepointsguy.com/news/cruise-ship-muster-drill-changes-reasons/

That was the reason why Disney went back to in-person muster…. Much less staff resources needed to conduct one thirty minute drill than station staff around the ship at all the muster stations for a 3 - 5 hour period. If you don’t do e-muster you don’t need as many CM on the ship — which means a reduction of expenses (which Disney has publicly stated they’re doing across the organization)….

Zero expense. Most of the muster drill folks are entertainment staff (dancers etc) already on the ship. Their salary is a fixed cost with or without them doing the drills.
Cruising is a business where there are huge fixed costs, and few things they can do to cut costs.

 

[Uncwmark]

Zero expense. Most of the muster drill folks are entertainment staff (dancers etc) already on the ship. Their salary is a fixed cost with or without them doing the drills.
Cruising is a business where there are huge fixed costs, and few things they can do to cut costs.

Did you even read the article posted? I tend to lend more credence to professional travel press who reports that e-muster requires more staffing…. but, by all means, if you have proof to the contrary….

 

[tvguy]

Did you even read the article posted? I tend to lend more credence to professional travel press who reports that e-muster requires more staffing…. but, by all means, if you have proof to the contrary….

So what do these extra folks do the rest of the cruise? Sit in their rooms? If it is extra WORK it is done by staff that are there already and on salary. They don't have to hire a single additional person, and they sure don't bring people on board just to do that.

 

[Uncwmark]

In a statement sent to TPG in January, Carnival suggested that lines that were doing away with e-mustering on ships were doing it not for safety reasons but to cut costs. The line noted that offering e-muster safety drills instead of in-person safety drills requires more staffing.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/norwegian-cruise-line-muster-drill-change/

So, tvguy, your comments directly contradict what Carnival Cruise Lines says about the e-muster process…. No offense, but is it fair to assume they know more about staffing cruise ships than you do?

 

[happycamper47]

Not even sure how it would be possible to calculate the cost of either. The staff are already on the ship, so I would think the cost would be zero.

Actually they probably lose money with in person, because all the bars shut down.

 

[happycamper47]

In a statement sent to TPG in January, Carnival suggested that lines that were doing away with e-mustering on ships were doing it not for safety reasons but to cut costs. The line noted that offering e-muster safety drills instead of in-person safety drills requires more staffing.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/norwegian-cruise-line-muster-drill-change/

So, tvguy, your comments directly contradict what Carnival Cruise Lines says about the e-muster process…. No offense, but is it fair to assume they know more about staffing cruise ships than you do?

DCL already has a higher crew to guest ratio than Carnival so you are making an assumption that the same applies to DCL.

Carnival has a 1.04 ratio with a 3 star rating where DCL has a 1.06 ratio with 4 stars so the crew is already on board..

 

[Uncwmark]

DCL already has a higher crew to guest ratio than Carnival so you are making an assumption that the same applies to DCL.

Carnival has a 1.04 ratio with a 3 star rating where DCL has a 1.06 ratio with 4 stars so the crew is already on board..

It amazes me how much some of y’all will blindly defend the mouse…. In light of proof to the contrary.

 

[happycamper47]

It amazes me how much some of y’all will blindly defend the mouse…. In light of proof to the contrary.

Facts, just he facts...DCL already has more crew on board per passenger than Carnival.

 

[Bibbidi_Boo]

It amazes me how much some of y’all will blindly defend the mouse…. In light of proof to the contrary.

Fully agree with this.

 

[Uncwmark]

So, just to be clear, you’re saying Disney’s decision to revert away from e-muster was not driven, in large part, by staffing (I.e. cost-cutting) decisions (despite travel press and other cruise lines stating to the contrary)?

Again, no offense, but I’ll take the word of The Points Guy and CCL over random internet dude who is using a 2 basis point difference in crew to passenger ratio as his SOLE reasoning behind said claim.

 

[happycamper47]

So, just to be clear, you’re saying Disney’s decision to revert away from e-muster was not driven, in large part, by staffing (I.e. cost-cutting) decisions (despite travel press and other cruise lines stating to the contrary)?

Again, no offense, but I’ll take the word of The Points Guy and CCL over random internet dude who is using a 2 basis point difference in crew to passenger ratio as his SOLE reasoning behind said claim.

The article you quoted says, "Carnival suggested" since that was their reasoning, that does not mean it is basis in fact for ALL......

 

[Uncwmark]

The article you quoted says, "Carnival suggested" since that was their reasoning, that does not mean it is basis in fact for ALL......

Hahaha…. Ok…. Enjoy those Disney-colored glasses!

Also, thanks for not answering the question I posed…

 

[happycamper47]

Also, thanks for not answering the question I posed…

I did not say that. I'm saying you can't make a blanket statement about why without knowing the exact reason. Norwegian said they went back due to "CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS" not about costs.

 

[Uncwmark]

I did not say that. I'm saying you can't make a blanket statement about why without knowing the exact reason. Norwegian said they went back due to "CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS" not about costs.

Ummm…. well, yeah, the reason NCL went BACK to e-muster was because of customer complaints (perhaps Disney will, too, if enough of us mention on end of cruise survey)

Would you expect NCL to announce they’re going back to e-muster because it costs more to administer? That’s non-sensical! Lol.

 

[happycamper47]

Ummm…. well, yeah, the reason NCL went BACK to e-muster was because of customer complaints (perhaps Disney will, too, if enough of us mention on end of cruise survey)

Would you expect NCL to announce they’re going back to e-muster because it costs more to administer? That’s non-sensical! Lol.

So then we agree. Neither one of us, or anybody here, knows the "EXACT" reason DCL went back..

 

[Uncwmark]

So then we agree. Neither one of us, or anybody here, knows the "EXACT" reason DCL went back..

We don’t agree — I feel fairly certain based on the information presented that cost played a significant factor in the decision and not “passenger safety”. Though I will acknowledge the latter provides sufficient “cover” and sounds better than the former….

 

[71 Truck]

I think it is certain that no one knows exactly why Disney went back to the old muster drill. Up till now everything that has been written has been speculation and until an official statement has been given by Disney we will never know.

People can argue it's about safety People can argue it's about money at this point it does not matter.
If you want to go on a Disney cruise as of right now you have to do what hey want and that is the in person muster drill.

The thread title is "NCL to return to E muster drills April 1st" and yet we sit here in some cases arguing about Disney cruise line.

At some point if people keep arguing about this it is possible the moderators will shut it down.

 

[Uncwmark]

Nobody’s arguing… the fact is that Disney remains an outlier and should remedy this by transitioning back to an e-muster process

 

[71 Truck]

Nobody’s arguing… the fact is that Disney remains an outlier and should remedy this by transitioning back to an e-muster process

People may have a different definition of what arguing is so each person can make their own decision.

As far as Disney being an outlier, they are going to do what ever they want. They are not necessarily going to make a decision about what kind of muster drill they are going to do based on what a bunch of people on a Disney forum are disusing.

Does anyone know if their has been a big letter writing campaign to the Cruise line to go back to the E muster drill?
If not maybe Disney is un aware that so many people are un happy, or maybe the vast majority of Disney guest do not really care what kind of drill they do.

I do not know the answer however if I want to go on a Disney cruise I will do what ever drill is required to sail with them.