Multi-Contract Ressie Booking Question

[Opie100]

Let's say you own 50 OKW points & 50 BWV points (and have no banked points). Let's presume same UY (August). Let's say you wanted to book a week in September at BWV, and let's presume that would cost 100 points.

Would you irreversably have to borrow from a future year just to make the reservation at 11 months, even though you were planning on moving the points over from OKW at 7 months to make the 100 points?

 

[crazywig]

If you're booking at the 11 month window for BWV, you can only use BWV points so yes you'd be borrowing and they cannot be returned to their original use year.

Also, you can't just switch out points at the 7m window. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but you'd need to actually cancel/rebook that ressie at the 7m window to use your OKW points.

 

[Opie100]

Is swapping out points at 7 mos a risky endeavor?

I've read about the advantages of having multiple small contracts for the purposes of the 11 month benefit but it sounds like to me that you'd have to have enough (incl. borrowing/booking) to make the whole ressie rather than shifting points.

Also, should you avoid combining contracts with the same resort/UY in case you wish to sell some (not all) points later?

 

[chalee94]

Is swapping out points at 7 mos a risky endeavor?

not really risky but reservations have been lost in the attempt to move at 7 months.

but calling it "swapping out" pts is the wrong way to look at it.

I've read about the advantages of having multiple small contracts for the purposes of the 11 month benefit but it sounds like to me that you'd have to have enough (incl. borrowing/booking) to make the whole ressie rather than shifting points.

yes, you'd need enough to make the whole reservation. some people add on a small amount to get concierge at AKV every third year but aren't concerned about staying at AKV every year.

if you book BWV with current year BWV pts at 11 months, and then check at 7 months and there is still availability at BWV, you can essentially cancel and rebook the reservation with OKW pts to free up BWV pts for banking or booking another BWV reservation at 11 months. but you can't just "swap out" pts to sneak in front of a BWV owner (who might be on a waitlist) with your OKW pts.

Also, should you avoid combining contracts with the same resort/UY in case you wish to sell some (not all) points later?

you have no power to "combine" contracts. if you own 150 BWV pts and add on a 52 pt BWV contract and 3 months later add-on another 37 pt BWV contract, you still have 3 separate contracts which can be sold separately, even if they function as one contract when calling MS to book BWV.

OTOH, if DVC ROFRs 5 BWV resale contracts of 30 pts each, they can combine them and sell them as one 150 pt contract. but individuals cannot do that.

 

[Deb & Bill]

If you want to "swap out" points at 7 months, what really happens is they cancel the reservation and then rebook using the points you want to use. IF there is a waitlist for what you had reserved, you now go to the bottom of the waitlist and whoever is at the top of the list, gets the reservation.

 

[Opie100]

Great info - thx y'all for your completeness. Does the MS rep know (and will they reveal) if there is a wait list before dropping a reservation?

Also, banked points are automatically always spent (by MS) before current year points, right?

 

[chalee94]

Great info - thx y'all for your completeness. Does the MS rep know (and will they reveal) if there is a wait list before dropping a reservation?

yes. they can tell you whether there is availability or not (i.e. there is a waitlist.)

Also, banked points are automatically always spent (by MS) before current year points, right?

usually but it's best to verify this with MS.

 

[amystevekai&bump]

If you want to "swap out" points at 7 months, what really happens is they cancel the reservation and then rebook using the points you want to use. IF there is a waitlist for what you had reserved, you now go to the bottom of the waitlist and whoever is at the top of the list, gets the reservation.

Is the risk removed if there is availability, or is there a delay between cancelling and rebooking, so someone could come in the middle and 'steal' the opening out from underneath you as it were??

 

[Sandisw]

Is the risk removed if there is availability, or is there a delay between cancelling and rebooking, so someone could come in the middle and 'steal' the opening out from underneath you as it were??

There have been people who, while the switch was being made, lost the original reservation. If I was booking at a busy time, before I actually authorized the switch, I would make sure that there was at least enough availability that I would not be concerned.

For example, if I had AKV savannah view room and call to change to BLT, before I gave up the AKV room (if they said BLT had availability), I might ask if there was also AKV availability--so that I don't lose what I had. If they said that were was, then I would go ahead with the change.

 

[Opie100]

Thx y'all. One more question: when you book at 11 mos., can you book your entire stay at that point, even if it partially goes beyond 11 mos.? (Same Q for 7 months.)

 

[Chuck S]

Thx y'all. One more question: when you book at 11 mos., can you book your entire stay at that point, even if it partially goes beyond 11 mos.? (Same Q for 7 months.)

If you call at exactly 11/7 months before your check-in date, you can book up to 7 nights, if your stay is longer than 7 nights, you'll need to call again to book the remainder of your trip.

If you are not booking an in-demand season or resort, and want to book more than 7 nights, I'd wait a couple nights after the 11 month window to call, so you can book the entire trip in one call. If you are calling for a normally busy booking season or hard to get ressie, I'd book right at 11 months and call back to extend.

 

[Opie100]

Let's say you have 100 points at BWV and you're planning for a week long stay in October, but you'd really like a split stay with BLT. At 11 mos. you book a full week at BWV. At seven months, you want swap out three of the nights to use at BLT. Assuming availability, would doing so require complete cancellation of the original ressie (and thus raise the risk of losing BWV availability to a wait lister)?

 

[Deb & Bill]

Let's say you have 100 points at BWV and you're planning for a week long stay in October, but you'd really like a split stay with BLT. At 11 mos. you book a full week at BWV. At seven months, you want swap out three of the nights to use at BLT. Assuming availability, would doing so require complete cancellation of the original ressie (and thus raise the risk of losing BWV availability to a wait lister)?

No, you wouldn't have to cancel the other four nights. You'd just drop the three nights and add three nights at the other resort. It would be a separate reservation, though. You'd have two reservations and if you were calling for ADRs, you'd have to wait until 90 days out from the start of the second reservation.

 

[Chuck S]

Let's say you have 100 points at BWV and you're planning for a week long stay in October, but you'd really like a split stay with BLT. At 11 mos. you book a full week at BWV. At seven months, you want swap out three of the nights to use at BLT. Assuming availability, would doing so require complete cancellation of the original ressie (and thus raise the risk of losing BWV availability to a wait lister)?

No, the original reservation would simply be modified. You can drop nights from either end without a problem. You can not remove nights in the middle of a reservation without some portion being subject to cancellation and rebook.