Monorail Riding

Based on the statement released, I don't think this is being suspended entirely due to safety concerns. They say, 'out of respect for the monorail pilot', which I assume to mean the present pilots, not the deceased.

Can you imagine how many unwelcome comments, questions, conversations the pilots will have to endure. Some people don't know how to keep their mouth shut in these circumstances, and it would be very hard for the pilots, who knew Austin personally, to hear.
 
Any other mode of transportation is more dangerous, as is just walking across the street.
 
Before the accident, Disney guests could ride in the front cabin of the monorail with the pilot, but a Magic Kingdom memo said that the practice has been suspended -- “Out of respect for the monorail pilot during this difficult time, we are not allowing guests to ride in the front cabin.”

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as well they should - to be honest, i'd be surprised of families who would want to do that right now, just out of fear. I still can't believe it happened :sad1:
 
I'm wondering should there have been a computer system that alerts the driver when there's anther monorail on the track. Or perhaps a laser or something that would stop the monorail when one gets too close to another.


Anna

There is: From MousePlanet

It appears that the monorails were approaching the end of their operating day and that Monorail Pink was attempting to reposition itself to go back to the monorail barn for the night. For Epcot monorails, this requires leaving the TTC station and passing a track switch, then backing up to the Magic Kingdom Express monorail station. Once fully on the Magic Kingdom Express beam, the monorail continues in reverse past the Polynesian and Grand Floridian resorts and the front entrance to the Magic Kingdom before it backs up through another track switch that takes it to the monorail barn.

The pilot of Monorail Pink was apparently backing up, thinking that the monorail was heading for an empty Magic Kingdom Express station, but the switch had not moved to transfer it, and so Monorail Pink backed up into the Epcot station that was already occupied by Monorail Purple, which had already loaded and was about to depart the station when Pink slammed backward into it. Since the collision system is reportedly disabled during track switching, there would have been no automated warning. Because the curve on which the Epcot/Magic Kingdom Express switch is located is quite dark at night, and the tracks curve back into the station, it would have been very difficult for the pilot of Monorail Pink to visually notice if he was on the wrong track. MousePlanet has received an unconfirmed report that there may have been some miscommunication between the monorail shop and the monorail control center regarding the position of the switch which, if true, could have meant then the monorail control center would have given Monorail Pink the go-ahead to reverse through the switch and back through the station while the switch was still connected to the Epcot loop.

The monorails have a fail-safe system called MaPo that prevents two trains from getting too close to each other, and actually applies emergency brakes if a driver tries to continue through a warning. However, both trains had had to override their MaPo warnings as standard operating procedure for the maneuvers that they were attempting to undertake. In order for Monorail Purple to enter the station while Monorail Pink was still engaging in its switch procedure, Purple would have had to override its MaPo shutdown. In order for Monorail Pink to reverse through the switch, it would also have had to override MaPo, as the track switches automatically cause a MaPo alert. While in override mode, the maximum speed of each monorail is 15 miles per hour, whether moving forward or backward.
 

Can you imagine how many unwelcome comments, questions, conversations the pilots will have to endure. Some people don't know how to keep their mouth shut in these circumstances, and it would be very hard for the pilots, who knew Austin personally, to hear.

That is exaclty what I was thinking.

For the time being, I think it's the right call.
 
I, too, would prefer to be able to ride with the monorail driver. However, I don't think Disney should allow that any time soon.

Even though the likelihood of monorail injury is infinitesimal, Disney prides itself on safety of its guests. It does not want to be perceived as irresponsible in this regard. Plus, after last weekend's incident, I suspect the cost of a future guest-harming monorail incident got exponentially higher.

It seems to me that keeping guests out of the cockpit is safer because:

1. Guests distract the pilot from his or her job of driving the monorail. Regaling guests with stories is fun for both sides but certainly takes some of his or her attention.

2. As we saw on Sunday, if and end of the monorail hits something, worse things happen to the end of the train than to other parts.

These factors probably do not increase safety that much, but when the costs are so high, it makes sense to avert even minor risks. Disney will not lose any guests by doing this, and I think the diehards like us will be sad but very understanding.
 
Distractions are generally mitigated by the blocking system. The MAPO system will automatically stop the monorail if it gets within so many "blocks" of another. If the monorail must operate with MAPO override while occupied (which should be rare to never), then I would expect the monorail pilot's full attention to be on operation and politely ask the guests to not distract.

However, I fully expected that guests up front would at least temporarily be suspended, not just for respect of the pilots, but also to evaluate the safety aspects. Several people claimed that the cockpits are designed to collapse to protect the integrity of the main cabin, and the pilots know this - but the guests do not so I find it incredibly doubtful in general. They may not need to meet FRA passenger train requirements, but they would probably need to meet some level safety, and that may need reevaluation.

I have no problem with it being suspended for either reason, but I do hope that it will be allowed again.
 
It is tragic that this happened, but I don't think people truly realize what happened and what safety systems are in place on the monorail. I was there until exactly a week before the accident and we rode in the front several times. During the day this would never happen. The accident only occurred because the monorail was switching tracks and because it was dark. Whether it was human error that first said the switch was on or electronic error, several employees had the power to stop it from happening. However, I think now is actually probably the safest time to ride the monorail. Disney will be very vigilent in making sure that this NEVER happens again. That said, I respect the policy of not allowing people to ride up front. I imagine it is a difficult, stressful, and sad time for monorail staff.

As for helping to prevent this in the future, it seems like they could (short of designing new trains themselves) add on essentially a bumper. How to do it weight effeciently and aesthetically will be the difficulty, but it would help prevent the cockpit from being crushed. And as already pointed out, the monorail can only do 15 mph during a MAPO overide, so the bumper would not have to be capable of stopping a 40 mph head on collision.
 
I think it is good to suspend the practice until the investigation is completed. As other have said, I think the questions would get to the pilots after a while. There is also the possibility a pilot may make a statement accidentally that could be used against Disney in a lawsuit, possibly in response to an innocent question.

From some postings in the news and on blogs it seems that there was not real crash structure to the front car. I think that is the thing that will be changed. If the normal practice is to travel at 15mph when moving trains in the opposite direction than the front and back cars should have sufficient crash structures for at least that speed. If there is any negligence in design I think this is where it is. I would have never believed that those cars were so unprotected.

I would have no qualms about riding in the front. In the 38 years that the monorail has been running there has been exactly 1 fatality. I would take those odds over car travel any day.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but the "front of the train" thing is actually a misnomer, right? Because both ends have cockpits, it is just a matter of which way they are going?
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but the "front of the train" thing is actually a misnomer, right? Because both ends have cockpits, it is just a matter of which way they are going?

I believe "front" generally refers to the control end at the time. i.e., if the pilot is in control from one end but it is moving in the opposite direction, they are reversing and the "leading" end is the back.
 
Are you able to right in the front car at Disneyland? If so, I wonder if they have stopped allowing it there too?

I completely understand not allowing it right now, but I really hope this isn't a permanent change. Hopefully even more safeguards will be implemented to make sure something like this never happens again.
 
I'm sure there will be more changes as a result of this accident. Who knows we may even see new monorail cars (Mark VII).

One thing we noticed today was that it only took 14 minutes for a round trip, Contemporary to Contemporary. Things seemed to work like clock work, no delays at the stations.
 
I hope it isn't permanent too. I have been in a car accident before and I still ride in the front of the car.
 
I would hope they would do that until they figure out what happened and correct it.
 
I rode in the front once. But I think its for the best. They don't want guests to die too in a monorail crash. That would be horrible.
 
I hope it is temporary. I expect it is currently suspended for the investigation, and until, they determine what went tragically wrong and what proceedures to put in place to keep something like that from every happening again. It is also out of respect to the current drivers to give them time to grieve for the loss of their co-worker, without the inquisitive public asking questions.

I remember my first ride in the front and I was an adult. I think it is a magical place to ride.
 
I too would hope this is done only out of respect for the drivers - at this time it is needed.
If Disney does change and no longer allow guest to ride up front I would feel THEY were questioning the safety aspect of it. I was telling my sister I felt they would continue to allow it as that meant they stood behind the safety of the monorail.
I would still take my chances and ride up front- to me it is much safer then riding the buses with no seat belt going ?how? fast! Those drivers scare me sometimes!
Ellen
 
For those who think it's dangerous- do you ride up front in your car? Far more dangerous!
 
They could not use the Mark VII cause it only opens on one side. Disney would have to wait for the Mark VIII to be released. This info was given to me by our driver , Austin!

I think it is extremly funny that due to this people are now saying that it is too dangerous to ride up front. Where were these threads before this happened?

Sitting up front is cool. The likely hood of this happening again is slim. The monorail system has a better safety record than any other transit. If I am correct this will make 1 death since the monorails started running.
i totally agree- but then again hindsight is 20/20 huh? I would ride up front again, heck, now is when they will be overly cautious and really on the ball to prevent an accident again. I am only sorry it took such a devastating event to do so. The only comfort I can take is that this young man really loved his job and making guests happy. My prayers are with his family.
 












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