Moms with HS Seniors

Concerning college applications - if there's time before school starts (like late August), that's the perfect time to start on the essay part. Senior year tends to get a little busy. Also, if he has a school that he definitely would attend if accepted (and if money/financial aid isn't an issue), applying "early decision" is a good idea. For colleges that start in August that he's interested in, a quick informal visit could help narrow down the field. And lastly, if he has access to his old teachers' e-mail addresses, he could shoot them a note letting them know that he would be approaching them about references in the fall (just to get a head start before the rest of the crowd).

Can you see that I like to do things a little early;)

And please take note of each college's scholarships - many have deadlines that are different than the application deadline (meaning sooner).
 
Concerning college applications - if there's time before school starts (like late August), that's the perfect time to start on the essay part. Senior year tends to get a little busy. Also, if he has a school that he definitely would attend if accepted (and if money/financial aid isn't an issue), applying "early decision" is a good idea. For colleges that start in August that he's interested in, a quick informal visit could help narrow down the field. And lastly, if he has access to his old teachers' e-mail addresses, he could shoot them a note letting them know that he would be approaching them about references in the fall (just to get a head start before the rest of the crowd).

Can you see that I like to do things a little early;)

And please take note of each college's scholarships - many have deadlines that are different than the application deadline (meaning sooner).
Argh! Someone should write a book.

We haven't even thought about essays and references yet plus we are perplexed by the world of scholarships and grants. I would really rather just hide somewhere... :eek: :confused:
 
Argh! Someone should write a book.

We haven't even thought about essays and references yet plus we are perplexed by the world of scholarships and grants. I would really rather just hide somewhere... :eek: :confused:



:lmao: I'm a little teeny obsessed with this stuff (as a matter of fact, I'm working my way towards getting a certificate in college career counseling). And Dd is only 13! She has no idea what's going to hit her!:rotfl2: I have gathered tons of info about the college app. process and am anxiously awaiting the time that I can use it professionally.

I have started assisting my niece, who's a rising senior. I believe that I've overwhelmed her already:laughing:


Don't worry.....most people don't start thinking about the essays until two weeks before they're due! Since so many schools have deadlines from Dec. thru April, many don't start working on it until October or November. I find that time to be extremely busy for a senior, so doing as many things as early as you can makes it less stressful.
 
I just want to add that depending on your school counseling department, you may be doing this mostly on your own.

True story--the valedictorian of my daughter's high school this year only applied to three schools, Brown, another Ivy that I forget, and our state flagship school. Rejected at all but our state flagship. My daughter said she was having a meltdown in school because a) the Ivies rejected her, and b) she got NO merit money from the state school. The reason is she did not apply for it---she thought it was automatic. No one in the counseling dept. told her to apply for this money. Also, just from reading (my own daughter is a senior this year) I know that many perfectly good applicants have to be rejected from the Ivies every year. I think Brown rejected over 700 valedictorians in 2008. This girl bought into the "0h, you're really smart, you'll get in" mentality, and no one told the poor thing the real facts. Another problem is that so many kids are applying to MORE schools, in some cases over 20. Sometimes kids will apply to every single Ivy in hopes of getting into just one because it really is kind of a crap shoot. Other times it is to see who will give the best financial aid package.

Another thing to be aware of is financial aid policies. My daughter will be appling to several schools that are not among her top choices, but that are known for good financial aid. Luckily, she has found a school that she loves that is known for good aid, but she will be applying to a few other finacial safeties.

Sorry this is long, but there is one more very important thing (to us, anyhow) that I want to mention. If you are divorced or separated, be aware that some schools require financial info from the non-custodial parent, and expect that parent to contribute to their child's education. In our case, that's NOT gonna happen, so we have had to limit our search to schools that do not require this info. Some schools will give waivers, but it's not a given.

Can you tell I'm kind of a nut about this college search stuff?:)
 

Good luck to all. My dd is a college sophmore and changing schools so we get to do all the fun stuff over again.;)

I am taking my 7th grader to her scholar program this morning. 3 weeks in a dorm room, 4ish hrs away!

Time flies by so fast.

Most important thing to remember is to learn all the deadline dates for the schools you are applying.

Merit aid, if you qualify has a deadline date of Dec 1st, here in MO. They will vary by state & school, so that is the first date you need to know.:thumbsup2
 
We have a senior, too. This is our 4th one so I've been where you are. Let me prepare you for something...it will be the fastest year of your life. Can't explain it. One minute you are asking questions about senior activites and the next minute you are wiping away tears at graduation.

:sad2: That's what I'm not looking forward to, I know I'll be crying like a big baby.




Argh! Someone should write a book.



We haven't even thought about essays and references yet plus we are perplexed by the world of scholarships and grants. I would really rather just hide somewhere... :eek: :confused:

I was just thinking the same thing yesterday, how's ... Senior year for Dummies. :lmao:
 
Well the big/final year has finally arrived for my DS16, he will be a senior this August :sad:. I have so many mixed emotions; I'm sad to see my baby grow up but all so proud of the young man that he is becoming.

The problem I have is that he’s my oldest, my first to go into 12th grade and I'm not sure of how this whole senior thing works. I don't know the time frame for when to do stuff like senior pics, ring, announcements, college applications and so one. Plus to make it worse he has a horrible school counselor. I wish there was a book called Seniors for Dummies. Anyone else have a DS/DD going into 12th Grade that has any advice? :confused:
I'm the mother of a Junior, but I've been teaching Seniors for almost two decades, so I think I'm qualified to throw a little information your way. First, realize that things vary widely from place to place, so don't take anything you learn here to be gospel truth. At my school, you'd already have received information in the mail about senior pictures (which we do over the summer), but you wouldn't be "behind" on anything else. Be prepared to see lots of information come home through homeroom on the first day of school: yearbooks, cap & gowns, graduation details. Since you don't quite trust your counselor, be sure to attend your fall Open House. Figure out which of your son's teachers seems to be on top of things, and ask him/her what a first-time senior parent ought to know (believe me, people call me all the time to ask me things that aren't my job at all -- like when cap & gowns'll be on sale). Also, your school probably has a website with this information, and they're going to provide you with information along the way. We send home newsletters, and we do the automated phone calls home for allllllll these things. And anytime you have a question, call someone at school.

College . . . I'm separating this from senior milestone type things. Do you have a couple schools picked out? Have you visited? Has he taken the SAT? With school a little more than a month away, the answers to these questions should be yes, yes and yes. If not, you need to get the ball rolling on these things right away.

I tell my students they should apply to schools in three categories:
1) The dream school, the stretch school. If everything went right in your life, the stars aligned, and you could go anywhere . . . that's the school we're talking about. Even if you think you can't afford it, even if you think you might not be admited -- apply. For someone, it'll work out. It's worth the admission fee to see if that someone is you. Seniors are often funny about these dream schools. For example, over the last year, my daughter has developed a fascination with Clemson. She's never been there, doesn't really know anyone who went there, but she wants to go because of their football team and reputation for outstanding school spirit. Clemson's out of state for us, and this is probably not going to happen. I've told her that we'll take a trip down there (it's no farther for us than some of the NC schools), and she should absolutely apply . . . but she should understand that unless she were to get a huge scholarship, it just won't happen.

2) The realistic school. Apply to 2-3 schools in this category. These are schools that you're fairly sure you'll be admitted to, that you're confident you can afford, etc. Know that you'll probably be attending one of these, so put the bulk of your effort into these schools. Visit the top choices more than once. I'm thinking about a student of mine whose first college visit was to a small school -- she came back saying, "This is IT", although her parents weren't convinced, and money was an issue . . . then she visited a couple more schools, and when she returned for a second visit to the "IT" school, it had lost its shine in her eyes. She ended up at a different school. Also, don't choose a school that's a financial stretch for you (well, anything's a stretch); I'm thinking about a student I just saw a couple weeks ago: He was at the high school picking up a trascript so he could transfer from a 30K/year private school to a more affordable state school; after a year of paying those bills, his parents became less "pie in the sky" and decided that they couldn't do it for three more years, especially since they had two younger children who'd also need to be educated. So be realistic up front; transferring isn't a bad thing, but it's a hassel and something better avoided. Don't apply to more than 2-3 in this category; applying to more means that you haven't really nailed down what you want, and you're not being selective enough. Plus there's the appilcation fee (though there's a free application fee week sometime in the fall -- that's worth looking into).

3) The safety net school. If everything in the world suddenly went wrong. If your house burned down, and you lost your job and could no longer provide the financial help you'd expected. If he found he was going to be a father. If he became sick. If you became sick, and he was needed as a caretaker. If NONE of the expected money came through. If something happened so that the world was no longer his oyster . . . what could he do completely on his own to START his education? Community college? A nearby university that he hadn't really considered? Having taught almost two decaes, I've had several students who've encountered tragedies during their senior year -- sometimes of their own making, sometimes just fate -- and I've always had respect for those who, even if they had to scale back their plans, moved forward with their education rather than just saying, "Well, I'm screwed." You might not even put in an application for your back-up plan . . . but it's wise to have one in mind.

Finally, about colleges . . . get a calendar and an accordian folder just for college materials. I bought my daugther a cute one at Office Depot. It has places for brochures, phone contacts, comparisons between schools (she loves that thing and is motivated by it, so I actually went back and picked up a second one, which I put away for my younger daughter). This year while she's a junior, we plan to visit LOTS of school, and I plan to take pictures for her to add to that folder to jog her memory.

Write in the deadlines for EVERYTHING -- application dates and scholarship dates -- and do not trust anyone else to remind you about anything. Dates, etc. aren't hard to find, but they're very easy to allow to slip by.

One more thing: A mother of three graduates with whom I'm casual friends told me that she's used a paid college counselor for all three of her kids. She says that he was worth every penny because he helped them pick out the kind of school they really wanted, helped them with the application process, etc. I googled this and was surprised at how many services like this are available within an hour of my house. They offer bus-tours for kids to visit 3-4 colleges in a weekend, they offer seminars, and they offer private services. I don't think I'm personally going to pay for this service -- we have great high school counselors here, and because of my job I know more than the average parent about college admissions . . . but IF I were really feeling clueless, I might seek out such a service. Also -- let me say this nicely -- her kids are nice people but not top-notch students, so they might've needed the help more than my kid.
True story--the valedictorian of my daughter's high school this year only applied to three schools, Brown, another Ivy that I forget, and our state flagship school. Rejected at all but our state flagship. My daughter said she was having a meltdown in school because a) the Ivies rejected her, and b) she got NO merit money from the state school. The reason is she did not apply for it---she thought it was automatic. No one in the counseling dept. told her to apply for this money. Also, just from reading (my own daughter is a senior this year) I know that many perfectly good applicants have to be rejected from the Ivies every year. I think Brown rejected over 700 valedictorians in 2008. This girl bought into the "0h, you're really smart, you'll get in" mentality, and no one told the poor thing the real facts. Another problem is that so many kids are applying to MORE schools, in some cases over 20. Sometimes kids will apply to every single Ivy in hopes of getting into just one because it really is kind of a crap shoot. Other times it is to see who will give the best financial aid package.
Yeah, I've known those students! I've known some for whom it worked out: They've "suicided" by applying to only one school, and it's worked out . . . and I've seen really good students fall on their faces by making assumptions. On the other end of the spectrum, I've seen mediocre students (the ones who should've either worked a few years to gain a little more maturity, or the ones who should've started at community college) who were rejected from even the schools they thought were their "safeties".

Part of this really isn't the student's fault. They're told over and over: "You can be anything you want to be", and so some of them assume this means that a 2.0 GPA will get them into the state's flagship school's pre-law program. We give so many second-chances in high school that students think life works the same way! We parents, of course, know differently.
 
[QUOTE=MrsPete;37329144]I'm the mother of a Junior, but I've been teaching Seniors for almost two decades, so I think I'm qualified to throw a little information your way. First, realize that things vary widely from place to place, so don't take anything you learn here to be gospel truth. At my school, you'd already have received information in the mail about senior pictures (which we do over the summer), but you wouldn't be "behind" on anything else. Be prepared to see lots of information come home through homeroom on the first day of school: yearbooks, cap & gowns, graduation details. Since you don't quite trust your counselor, be sure to attend your fall Open House. Figure out which of your son's teachers seems to be on top of things, and ask him/her what a first-time senior parent ought to know (believe me, people call me all the time to ask me things that aren't my job at all -- like when cap & gowns'll be on sale). Also, your school probably has a website with this information, and they're going to provide you with information along the way. We send home newsletters, and we do the automated phone calls home for allllllll these things. And anytime you have a question, call someone at school.

College . . . I'm separating this from senior milestone type things. Do you have a couple schools picked out? Have you visited? Has he taken the SAT? With school a little more than a month away, the answers to these questions should be yes, yes and yes. If not, you need to get the ball rolling on these things right away.

I tell my students they should apply to schools in three categories:
1) The dream school, the stretch school. If everything went right in your life, the stars aligned, and you could go anywhere . . . that's the school we're talking about. Even if you think you can't afford it, even if you think you might not be admited -- apply. For someone, it'll work out. It's worth the admission fee to see if that someone is you. Seniors are often funny about these dream schools. For example, over the last year, my daughter has developed a fascination with Clemson. She's never been there, doesn't really know anyone who went there, but she wants to go because of their football team and reputation for outstanding school spirit. Clemson's out of state for us, and this is probably not going to happen. I've told her that we'll take a trip down there (it's no farther for us than some of the NC schools), and she should absolutely apply . . . but she should understand that unless she were to get a huge scholarship, it just won't happen.

2) The realistic school. Apply to 2-3 schools in this category. These are schools that you're fairly sure you'll be admitted to, that you're confident you can afford, etc. Know that you'll probably be attending one of these, so put the bulk of your effort into these schools. Visit the top choices more than once. I'm thinking about a student of mine whose first college visit was to a small school -- she came back saying, "This is IT", although her parents weren't convinced, and money was an issue . . . then she visited a couple more schools, and when she returned for a second visit to the "IT" school, it had lost its shine in her eyes. She ended up at a different school. Also, don't choose a school that's a financial stretch for you (well, anything's a stretch); I'm thinking about a student I just saw a couple weeks ago: He was at the high school picking up a trascript so he could transfer from a 30K/year private school to a more affordable state school; after a year of paying those bills, his parents became less "pie in the sky" and decided that they couldn't do it for three more years, especially since they had two younger children who'd also need to be educated. So be realistic up front; transferring isn't a bad thing, but it's a hassel and something better avoided. Don't apply to more than 2-3 in this category; applying to more means that you haven't really nailed down what you want, and you're not being selective enough. Plus there's the appilcation fee (though there's a free application fee week sometime in the fall -- that's worth looking into).

3) The safety net school. If everything in the world suddenly went wrong. If your house burned down, and you lost your job and could no longer provide the financial help you'd expected. If he found he was going to be a father. If he became sick. If you became sick, and he was needed as a caretaker. If NONE of the expected money came through. If something happened so that the world was no longer his oyster . . . what could he do completely on his own to START his education? Community college? A nearby university that he hadn't really considered? Having taught almost two decaes, I've had several students who've encountered tragedies during their senior year -- sometimes of their own making, sometimes just fate -- and I've always had respect for those who, even if they had to scale back their plans, moved forward with their education rather than just saying, "Well, I'm screwed." You might not even put in an application for your back-up plan . . . but it's wise to have one in mind.

Finally, about colleges . . . get a calendar and an accordian folder just for college materials. I bought my daugther a cute one at Office Depot. It has places for brochures, phone contacts, comparisons between schools (she loves that thing and is motivated by it, so I actually went back and picked up a second one, which I put away for my younger daughter). This year while she's a junior, we plan to visit LOTS of school, and I plan to take pictures for her to add to that folder to jog her memory.

Write in the deadlines for EVERYTHING -- application dates and scholarship dates -- and do not trust anyone else to remind you about anything. Dates, etc. aren't hard to find, but they're very easy to allow to slip by.

One more thing: A mother of three graduates with whom I'm casual friends told me that she's used a paid college counselor for all three of her kids. She says that he was worth every penny because he helped them pick out the kind of school they really wanted, helped them with the application process, etc. I googled this and was surprised at how many services like this are available within an hour of my house. They offer bus-tours for kids to visit 3-4 colleges in a weekend, they offer seminars, and they offer private services. I don't think I'm personally going to pay for this service -- we have great high school counselors here, and because of my job I know more than the average parent about college admissions . . . but IF I were really feeling clueless, I might seek out such a service. Also -- let me say this nicely -- her kids are nice people but not top-notch students, so they might've needed the help more than my kid.


Thank you for all the advice I found it very helpful. I have started getting things into motions for the upcoming senior year. I have one more question though the school counselor at DS school told him he didn't need to take the SAT. I thought that it was manadotory for getting into college? :confused3
 
Colleges accept either the SAT or ACT test. In some areas the SAT is more popular, in some the ACT is more common. Many students take both and submit which ever one they did better on.

There are some colleges which consider standardized tests optional for the application process, but most still require SAT or ACT scores.

Your son definitely needs to take one or both of these tests. Perhaps he already did well enough on the ACT and his counselor feels he doesn't need the SAT score?
 
I am an incoming senior, but I am dual enrolling so I will be behind on a lot. I will have to rely on my friends to let me know when I need to buy graduation things.

I prefer the SAT to the ACT but I will submit them both. I personally think I did the same on both..
 
Did the counselor perhaps mean that more schools in your area prefer the ACT? Around here it's SAT.

I suggest you check -- or, better yet, have him check -- the websites of a few schools that interest him. If he's going to take the SAT, he needs to do it ASAP. He'll be filling out applications in the fall, and the scores'll take a little time to get back.
 
I have a question for those in the know. When did you (or are you) going to do campus visits? I'm really unsure. DD17 is interested in about 5 schools. Two might be safety schools(state) and the other three might be a stretch(2 private, 1 state). Her GPA is only 2.67--I know, not good. Her maths have seriously sunk her. She's been an A/B student in almost everything else, with the occasional C. She is heavily involved in fine arts and service work. I'm afraid that we'll go see these schools and then find out she doesn't have a prayer of getting in. I don't mind taking the time, but I just hate to take her on a wild goose chase visiting colleges that aren't going to giver her a second thought. She wants to go to a school that offers a dance minor, at the least. A dance major would be very good, but those schools are few and far between (at least, schools we can afford). None of the community colleges offer dance programs and I seriously don't think she can live 2 years at a school without dance. It's her life.

I am no help here. I applied to my first college without much thought. Hated it and transferred to another school that I had seen once. Fortunately loved it and never left until graduation. What would you do? Go see the schools anyway? Apply first and see where she gets accepted and THEN visit before deciding?
 
(Grumble)... What's kind of funny in an ironic way is that DD is not all that fond of HS...so I don't feel like using the sucky photographers that have a deal with the school. The *really* funny thing is that in the brochure they tout how the kids can have an "Outdoor Session"... But all the pictures in the brochure are NOT taken around a school that looks like any high school I've seen. One girl is standing in a field of daisies! Another kid is perched on a car parked on some lush grass! Another girl is peering out of some greenery, a boy is looking through some ferns, these kids are leaning against fieldstone walls and fine brick buildings and huge gorgeous antique windows...I'd like to know just WHOSE school looks like this? Are they freaking kidding me?!? And I don't feel like paying for any pics for the yearbook...and who cares about the class picture-composite. And the ring. And all the expensive senior functions. (grumble)

I'd just like to at least get some pics of her out of all this that are good.

agnes!


We don't do a "school photographer" for school pictures at all and most kids do an outdoor shoot but never at the school itself. DS17 has his senior pictures taken in our back yard. The kids pick which picture they want in the yearbook and either have the photographer send a jpg file or bring in a wallet sized picture.
 
It's so hard to get applications in motion when the student is still indecisive about what he wants to major in! I think that we'll get a few things rolling in the next few weeks though.
 
I have a question for those in the know. When did you (or are you) going to do campus visits? I'm really unsure. DD17 is interested in about 5 schools. Two might be safety schools(state) and the other three might be a stretch(2 private, 1 state). Her GPA is only 2.67--I know, not good. Her maths have seriously sunk her. She's been an A/B student in almost everything else, with the occasional C. She is heavily involved in fine arts and service work. I'm afraid that we'll go see these schools and then find out she doesn't have a prayer of getting in. I don't mind taking the time, but I just hate to take her on a wild goose chase visiting colleges that aren't going to giver her a second thought. She wants to go to a school that offers a dance minor, at the least. A dance major would be very good, but those schools are few and far between (at least, schools we can afford). None of the community colleges offer dance programs and I seriously don't think she can live 2 years at a school without dance. It's her life.

I am no help here. I applied to my first college without much thought. Hated it and transferred to another school that I had seen once. Fortunately loved it and never left until graduation. What would you do? Go see the schools anyway? Apply first and see where she gets accepted and THEN visit before deciding?

Do you know her ACT/SAT score? That is an important piece to the equation. You have to hit the score that the school accepts. If her score is low, then you would need to broaden your search for a smaller college.

I don't know anything about getting into dance programs. I am sure you would need to audition and be accepted just like the other fine arts, like band or sports.

My sophmore dd is changing schools. We were just there today registering her for classes. So, after my experience the sooner you see the campus the better. :rolleyes1

Is your dd a senior?
 
I am glad to see this thread!:goodvibes I have a DD that will be starting this crazy thing called Senior year shortly and I am hoping that we can all start a college freshmen thread soon. I think the other threads have offered so much support to the parents as they send their sons and daughters off to college.

DD is still not focused on the college search process. She doesn't know for certain what she wants to study and that doesn't help matters. I find that the parameters that the web search tools use are really not parameters that matter much to DD or even mean much in the big picture. Urban vs. rural setting, school size, degrees offered, etc... I've sent her to the guidance counselor who continually tells her "you can anywhere you want to go". Not much help..:sad2: She attends a small all girls school and the counselor knows these girls well. I think they could do much better in regard to helping the girls formulate their lists. She has visited 10 schools (big, small, public, private, in-state, out of state) or so and has settled on an out of state mid-sized public university as her current first choice. I'm concerned that she is just overwhelmed with the process and is settling just to have it done with in her mind. Knowing her, she will reopen all this mid year and we will be in crises mode. How are y'all doing on getting the kids to focus on their school choices?

We need to start looking for a graduation dress and get her pictures scheduled. They graduate in full length white gowns and have a cap and gown for a few other occasions. The ring and letter jacket are done. She has good ACT scores but will retest in September to try and bring up her math section and hopefully her overall score. For many schools the difference between 2 points can mean up to half or full tuition in merit money.

I am already starting to stress over the graduation party as several that we attended this year were all but rained out. Anyone else even thinking about that?:confused:
 
It's so hard to get applications in motion when the student is still indecisive about what he wants to major in! I think that we'll get a few things rolling in the next few weeks though.

I read the boards at college confidential... a lot of Texans are griping about the state mandated admission for the top students from each school. Is this affecting your child's school choice? What schools is your child considering? I did my first 2 years at Stephen F. Austin and liked the school but it was tough being in a town with so few opportunities.
 
It's so hard to get applications in motion when the student is still indecisive about what he wants to major in! I think that we'll get a few things rolling in the next few weeks though.

I wouldn't worry too much about picking a school because of a major. Chances are that major will change while in college. It is more important to find a school that feels right. You can got to the 'best" school for whatever major and HATE it there. That isn't going to help you any. I would suggest doing a few campus visits and letting your child get and idea of what is available and go from there.
 
Do you know her ACT/SAT score? That is an important piece to the equation. You have to hit the score that the school accepts. If her score is low, then you would need to broaden your search for a smaller college.

I don't know anything about getting into dance programs. I am sure you would need to audition and be accepted just like the other fine arts, like band or sports.

My sophmore dd is changing schools. We were just there today registering her for classes. So, after my experience the sooner you see the campus the better. :rolleyes1

Is your dd a senior?

Yes, she is a senior. Her ACT isn't great, about 20, I think. I've tried to get her to consider taking it one last time but she's adamant(this is her second time testing.) I think if she can get in, passing the auditions won't be a problem
 
my oldest is a college sophmore at a small school and loves it. My senior in high school wants BIG...so during his jr year we went to u of ill, ia,indiana, perdue, the ohio state and u of florida....
Taken ACTS
Gotten his AP scores
So he is set, but unsure about schools...so we keep looking
 


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