Mexico is "Enraged" with the proposed U.S wall.

[dcentity2000]

Rich, from what I understand you have a similar immigration problem, although not as severe of course, as France. They may have entered your country legally however.

Yeah, we're seen as the soft touch of the developed world. It's easy to seek asylum here and the socialised healthcare and benefits attract great waves of people. Fortunately, the only ways to Britain are:

1) Train tunnel - get run over by a train
2) Aeroplane - VERY difficult to stow away without dying
3) Boat - the usual method, but still tricky over the tempestuous seas

...which is why I imagine the USA's problems must be so much worse - you're linked to by land.



Rich::

 

[Tigger_Magic]

And yet I've been told many times on these boards, while debating big business, that making profits are what companies are in business for, it's the American way, and accepting less than maximum profit is doing a diservice to the company itself and it's stockholders if it is a public company. I wish a few of them would come here and debate what you have said in your post.

I am a strong believer in capitalism and the right of businesses to earn a profit -- LEGALLY. I have never said that businesses should be allowed to make or maximize their profits through illegal means, such as employing undocumented workers.

I completely agree with momof2inPA on this point: businesses who hire/use illegal/undocumented workers should be punished. If this results in their loss of profit or even going out of business, then so be it. I support free enterprise as long as it is done legally.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Yeah, we're seen as the soft touch of the developed world. It's easy to seek asylum here and the socialised healthcare and benefits attract great waves of people. Fortunately, the only ways to Britain are:

1) Train tunnel - get run over by a train
2) Aeroplane - VERY difficult to stow away without dying
3) Boat - the usual method, but still tricky over the tempestuous seas

...which is why I imagine the USA's problems must be so much worse - you're linked to by land.



Rich::

Rich,
You hit the nail on the head. Our problem is huge and growing. We do need to get it under control. Any country with a border as long as ours (both north and south) has problems with people crossing the border illegally. Just because you cross the border and work hard, you still broke the law of the land . Maybe we should set up a train at our border and load the illegals on and take them right to Canada and send them across that border. Do you think Canada would be trilled with us? Of course not. We would be helping our illegals break Canadian law.

 

[mickeyfan2]

And yet I've been told many times on these boards, while debating big business, that making profits are what companies are in business for, it's the American way, and accepting less than maximum profit is doing a diservice to the company itself and it's stockholders if it is a public company. I wish a few of them would come here and debate what you have said in your post.

Making profits legally yes, but not making them illegally. That does not say that some won't do it. I want the company/boss to have charges brought against them if illegals are working there. I hear a Wal-Mart story about illegals the other day (don't know if it true), but they got caught because every single illegal had the same social security number. If this story is true, then Wal-MArt could know with the help of a computer.

 

[MrsPete]

From a practical point of view:

It'd have to be some wall to do any good. Speaking only for myself, from a very young age I've been able to climb any tree, scale any wall, just about anything -- and I have never posessed the motivation that these illegal immigrants have!

Prisoners get out of prison despite consertina wire (just throw a blanket over the razor blades on top).

Then you still need border patrols to watch to see that the wall isn't vandalized /destroyed in places.

 

[Feralpeg]

From a practical point of view:

It'd have to be some wall to do any good. Speaking only for myself, from a very young age I've been able to climb any tree, scale any wall, just about anything -- and I have never posessed the motivation that these illegal immigrants have!

Prisoners get out of prison despite consertina wire (just throw a blanket over the razor blades on top).

Then you still need border patrols to watch to see that the wall isn't vandalized /destroyed in places.

What we need is a force field! LOL!

 

[DarkSideMoon]

Or a mine field...... seriously though, we should make it out of concrete and barbed wire. slanted concrete with barbed wire wrapped around it all. then we should add outposts every 20 miles or so with a jeep or something to catch the ones that manage to make it over.

 

[Disney Doll]

Please show me where English is the official language of the US? It may be the most common language, but it is not THE language. Last I saw ballots were multi-lingual. So, living in Brownsville your employers want you to be multi-lingual to better communicate with their clients? Hmmm...sounds like good business, after all, if you feel immigrants should be forced to learn English, why shouldn't you be "forced" to learn Spanish if that is what an employer desires? What's good for the goose...

Beacuse the common language of this country is English, whether it is "official" or not.

When I move to Mexico, I will learn Spanish/Mexican.

Don't even tell me I should learn to speak another language to communicate with people who are in my country illegally.

 

[Disney Doll]

1)Perhaps the last person to use the ATM selected Spanish and it defaulted to the last selection? I'm sorry it was such an inconvenience to you to push the English button.
2) Your issue should be with Bank of America?
3) I did not grow up in Texas, I grew up in Los Angeles
4) It does not change the fact that Americans are willing to hire illegals for less than a comparable American wage, regardless of the law...this applies to huge coprorations, as well. Wal-mart was found guilty if this not long ago.
6) Many homeowners in border areas, especially Sr. Citizens hire illegal "day workers" to help out with yard work or household chores...services they would not normally be able to afford.

1) I would find that annoying too
2)If I were a Bank of America customer, I would make sure they knew about my displeasure
3)I grew up and stiill live in CT, and while we don't have a lot of Mexicans, we have a lot of folks of Puerto Rican descent in our area who also expevt us to speak their language, rather than they learning English
4)Shame on the Americans who do this. I would not. If lthey and large orporations do tis, I have no problem with them being fined, jailed or whatever the appropriate legal punishment is
5) What happened to 5???
6) See #4 response

 

[drakethib]

I will say that if an illegal immigrant crosses the border illegally and has a child on US soil, the child is now a US citizen and we must foot the bill for HHS.

Not fair IMHO.

 

[Disney Doll]

I'm sorry, but you are incorrect, your "belief" does not make it law, there is no Official Language in the US. There has never been an "official" language law passed by the US. Some states have passed laws, and they are under review. Texas is not one of those states, so there is no official language in Brownsville. The schools teach in English because it is the most prevalent language, not because it is any type of "official" language. They also teach Spanish, English as a "2nd Language", French, and German.

They can teach whatever languages they want as second languages for all I care, including Martian.

English is the common language in this country, therefore, if you don't speak it and want to live here, learn it.

 

[Disney Doll]

Actually, no, I wouldn't mind learning Arabic if it is something my employer required. Learning a new language is stimulating. But the US gov't can't tell me what language to use at home, or in day to day life, it is my choice to use the language I learned from birth, just as it should be the choice of all Americans.

Growing up in LA is quite different from growing up in rural Texas, BTW. You see, I remember visiting relatives here in Texas when I was young. My Mom took one of our cousins' laborers into town with her one day to help do laundry at the laundromat. After they were finished, Mom said "Let's go have lunch." The laborer nervously replied, "We can not have lunch together in a restaurant." You see, Texas was segregated at that time, a concept unknown to Mom & I, having been raised in CA. I've seen people treated like "property" here in TX when I was young, it was disgusting.

I have no problem with anyone speaking whatever language they want to in their homes, in their ethnic "pockets" (thinking Chinatown in NYC for example, in a social situation where everyone is speakig the same language...knock yourselves out.

But I maintain that if you intend to be able to function in American society as a whole, you should not have the expectation that everyone should learn your native language. The native language of my country is English.

 

[Disney Doll]

Most of the people that speak Spanish in this country are here legally. Businesses have a right to cater to their Spanish speaking customers.

They certainly do. And I have the right to disagree with their choice, to decide not to patronize thier business or work for them because they choose to cater to Spanish speaking customers. And believe me, I have patronized businesses in the past that have exercised to an extreme their "right" to cater to non-English speaking folks to the detriment of the English speakig folks. Therefore, I exercised my right ot not give them my hard-earned money anymore.

That's always the problem with the "rights" argument...their rights are no more important than mine!!

 

[chobie]

Or a mine field...... seriously though, we should make it out of concrete and barbed wire. slanted concrete with barbed wire wrapped around it all. then we should add outposts every 20 miles or so with a jeep or something to catch the ones that manage to make it over.

Oh yes, how funny the thought of blowing off people's legs or shredding them pieces on barbed wire. Merry Christmas indeed.

 

[chobie]

They certainly do. And I have the right to disagree with their choice, to decide not to patronize thier business or work for them because they choose to cater to Spanish speaking customers. And believe me, I have patronized businesses in the past that have exercised to an extreme their "right" to cater to non-English speaking folks to the detriment of the English speakig folks. Therefore, I exercised my right ot not give them my hard-earned money anymore.


That's always the problem with the "rights" argument...their rights are no more important than mine!!

Well down here in the Miami area, your boycotting of Spanish speaking buisnesses won't do much harm.

 

[DarkSideMoon]

Oh yes, how funny the thought of blowing off people's legs or shredding them pieces on barbed wire. Merry Christmas indeed.

I never said it was funny. So, what, you would rather they get on the wall and then fall and brake most of their bones and die? some barbed wire would deter tham from climing the fence/wall. nobody is forcing them onto barbed wire.

 

[chobie]

I never said it was funny. So, what, you would rather they get on the wall and then fall and brake most of their bones and die? some barbed wire would deter tham from climing the fence/wall. nobody is forcing them onto barbed wire.

The mine field comment wasn't a joke?

 

[DarkSideMoon]

no, but i wasn't serious either. I was not trying to be funny.

 

[Chuck S]

Don't even tell me I should learn to speak another language to communicate with people who are in my country illegally.

How about learning to speak Spanish for people who are BORN here? Doesn't this make it "THEIR" country just as much as "YOUR" country? How about Puerto Ricans, they ARE US citizens, too.

Did our forefathers learn the NATIVE language of America when they came onshore? After all, it was the Native American's country, shouldn't the Englishmen have learned a Native American tongue?

 

[Chuck S]

Or a mine field...... seriously though, we should make it out of concrete and barbed wire. slanted concrete with barbed wire wrapped around it all. then we should add outposts every 20 miles or so with a jeep or something to catch the ones that manage to make it over.

And you think that will cost less than providing medical services to illegals that need it? It is a 2000 mile border, at the estimate of $8 Billion, that is $757.57 per foot, and it is no guarantee that those that will cross with VISAs won't simply stay past their time limit of their VISA. And again, just whose land are they going to build this upon? The Rio Grande can't be split down the middle with a wall.