Maximum number of reservations

Dracula

Not so scary
DVC Gold
Joined
Jul 19, 2010
I am curious if there are people who understand how the DVC rule of no more than 20 reservations per year per member works:
- Is this actively enforced?
- Is the limit of 20 applied per member (person), or per membership number (use year)?
- Do cancelled / changed reservations count?
- Is it by calendar year, or a rolling 12-month period?
- Is it back or forward looking - more clearly, the reservation date is considered the date when the reservation is made count, or the check-in date?

Thanks in advance!
 
Still, would still like to understand... just asking for a friend
 
The information is that if DVC sees someone has around 20 reservations per year that are in the names of others than it could be an indication as a sign of commercial renting and could prompt DVC to contact an owner about it.

Booking for one self and their own guests, including renting reservations is allowed so If the reservations are the owners, then it won’t matter.
 


The information is that if DVC sees someone has around 20 reservations per year that are in the names of others than it could be an indication as a sign of commercial renting and could prompt DVC to contact an owner about it.

Booking for one self and their own guests, including renting reservations is allowed so If the reservations are the owners, then it won’t matter.
But if the owner books in his/her name as primary guest, could the secondary guests (renters) check in by themselves with no problem? The other issue is that magic bands would be mailed to the owner's address, rather than the renters'.
 
But if the owner books in his/her name as primary guest, could the secondary guests (renters) check in by themselves with no problem? The other issue is that magic bands would be mailed to the owner's address, rather than the renters'.

All guests could check in and need to be listed on a reservation. But one wouldn’t include an owner if they are not going. Magic bands would be mailed or owner.

But even if the owner was on the reservation and didn’t show up, they would be removed at check in, the reservation changed, and the r3cord would indicate the renters.

Nothing prevents DVC from deciding one is using a membership in violation of the current rules for renting a reservation and if lots of reservations are being booked, with lots of different guests, owners name aside, it could cause an issue and it would be up to the owner to fight the suspension of the account
 
Commercial Use Policy. The Disney Vacation Club (DVC) Public Offering Statement makes it clear that DVC memberships are intended for personal vacation use. The Declaration of Condominium and the Membership Agreement for the Resort expressly limits the use of Ownership Interests to personal use and prohibits use for “commercial purposes,” – a pattern of rental activity or other occupancy by an Owner that the Board of the Association, in its reasonable discretion, could conclude constitutes a commercial enterprise or activity.

DVC Members may make as many reservations as they desire. However, if, in any 12-month period, a DVC Member desires to make more than 20 reservations, the DVC Member shall be required to establish, to the satisfaction of the Board, that all of the reservations made by the DVC Member in such 12-month period are for the use of accommodations by the DVC Member, the DVC Member’s family and/or the DVC Member’s friends (collectively, “Personal Use”), and not for commercial purposes. If, in any 12-month period in which a DVC Member attempts to make more than 20 reservations but is unable to establish, to the satisfaction of the Board, that all such reservations are for Personal Use and not for commercial purposes, all reservations in excess of the first 20 reservations shall be presumed to be the use of Vacation Accommodations for commercial purposes in violation of the Declaration and the Membership Agreement (the “Multiple Reservation Rule”).

Enforcement of this policy will be the responsibility of DVC Member Services as follows. For each reservation made by a DVC Member, Member Services shall determine, before confirming the reservation, the number of reservations made by such DVC Member which are occurring or have occurred in any rolling twelve-month period in which the reservation then being made will occur. If, as a result of Member Services’ review of the DVC Member’s reservation history, the reservation the DVC Member is then attempting to make violates the Multiple Reservation Rule and the DVC Member has not established, or cannot then establish that all of the DVC Member’s reservations, including the reservation then being made by the DVC Member, are for Personal Use, DVC Member Services will not honor or confirm the reservation and the DVC Member shall be advised that the reservation violates the Multiple Reservation Rule and the prohibition on use of Vacation Homes for commercial purposes. For reservations canceled for violating this policy, the cancellation shall be deemed to be a cancellation by the DVC Member and the provisions of the Home Resort Rules and Regulations relating to cancellations (including, without limitation, Sections 5(d), 13 and 14) shall apply.


See
https://dvcnews.com/index.php/dvc-p...commercial-renting-limitations-amended-to-posSo my reading of this is that it is a rolling 12-month period, it is the reservation date, not the check-in date, that counts, and if you exceed 20 reservations in a rolling 12-month period they will ask you to prove that all of those reservations are for your family and friends, and if you can't, they will cancel any reservations in excess of the 20, and not allow more reservations in that rolling 12-month period, even for yourself and your family.

The message of this is to not even get close to making 20 reservations in a 12-month period. Anyone in danger of this should avoid doing lots of rentals of a small amount of points and instead do a small number of larger rentals. Even if you own 1000 points and want to rent them all, if you only rent more than 100 points at a time you will not even get halfway to the danger point. If you use a broker you can tell the broker that you are only interested in doing rentals over a certain size.
 


Thank you - this helps explain the rolling 12-month period - it seems to be back looking 12 months from the check-in date of the last (20th) reservation. Still wondering whether this applies per person or per use year.
 
Thank you - this helps explain the rolling 12-month period - it seems to be back looking 12 months from the check-in date of the last (20th) reservation. Still wondering whether this applies per person or per use year.

It is going to start with a membership. But if someone owns more than one...I own 3...it’s going to create scrutiny for the others. As the rules says, it’s on the owner to prove they were not rentals and I can’t imagine how one would do that without renters lying.

Sounds like that you won’t get confirmed to make more than 20 in 12 months, not based on check in.
 
Thank you - this helps explain the rolling 12-month period - it seems to be back looking 12 months from the check-in date of the last (20th) reservation. Still wondering whether this applies per person or per use year.
One thing you can do if this is a concern is to put the memberships in the two different use years in different names, such as one in your name and the other in the name of a family member. Two different people each with a different membership should certainly each be entitled to their own set of 20 reservations per rolling 12 month period.
 
Yes, that would have been a good idea - but now the deeds are issued, it is too much of a hassle to change ownership.
 
But even if the owner was on the reservation and didn’t show up, they would be removed at check in, the reservation changed, and the record would indicate the renters.
This does not happen automatically. Unless ask to do so, the front desk will not remove someone from the reservation.
 
This does not happen automatically. Unless ask to do so, the front desk will not remove someone from the reservation.

Oh, good to know. When it happened for us, my DD dropped at last minute and I did tell them at check in when asked if all guests were still coming,
 
Since 2008, when the 20-reservation rule was created, DVC has never offered any clarification of the rule except for what it says. It states it applies per member, not just membership, but it is unknown whether having two use years and thus two memberships means the combined memberships are limited to 20.

Before 2008, a rather significant number of professional renters of DVC rooms had come into being. That was the result of the growth of the internet for rentals and different rules that DVC had at time. The only rental control rule was the generic rule that a member could not be using his ownership for a commercial purpose which was defined to include a pattern of reservations indicating that the member was using the ownership for commercial purposes. At the time, a member could also do an unlimited number of transfers, either in or out, but not both. Moreover, a member could be an associate member in an unlimited number of memberships.

That combination of rules allowed professional renters to create significant rental businesses. The owner could buy a large number of points (5,000 maximum at the time) and easily double or triple that by going into business with others who separately bought large numbers of points. Then the owner could also take in an unlimited number of transfers and rent those points, and get himself made an associate member with other owners and make reservations using their points. What was happening at the time was the professional renters were engaging in predatory reservations by making huge numbers of reservations at 11-months out in high demand rooms for high demand times, like Thanksgiving and Christmas, and then renting out those reservations, creating an 11-month issue when it otherwise did not exist, and thus preventing many members from making reservations. The 20-reservation rule was one of three rules created to correct the problem. The other two rules created limited transfers to one per use year and allowed a member to be an associate member on no more than 4 memberships. At the time, there was mention that a number of members were informed that their activities indicated a violation of the new rules. The rental businesses did not completely die but the problems they were creating were greatly reduced.

Since that time, DVC has said nothing about the 20-reservation rule, and for years there has been no mention of an actual enforcement of the rule. The further explanations being sought above have never been provided. The main rental businesses that exist today follow a different model than they did then. They are now brokers of reservations, acting as the go-between for owners who want to rent and those who want to rent from owners.
 
I remember reading about one owner who had his reservations cancelled because of exceeding the 20 reservations rule. It was quite a while ago. I wouldn't push it though.
 
Lol, I read this post and had to go count my reservations. Whew, I only had 15. Never rented. I’m out of control. I have a lot of 1 night reservations before and after cruises.
We are the same way, I've had to apologize to MS once or twice when they get the reservations confused since there are a ton at times
 

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