Max Occupancy in DVC Resorts

[bpmorley]

You're assuming that the system accepts that each room will be full which is not the case. The system assumes the average occupancy will be lower than the max but assumes the max will be based on the upper limit of occupancy, not stuffing. That some will have less is already factored in so it's not applicable to the argument. The big deal is that there are REAL costs (both $$$ and otherwise) to such issues including pool use, parking, restaurants, extra maint, etc. And while there are other areas where there are also extra costs, each issue stands on it's own. So that one person won't use the pool or won't drive does not act as a credit for those stuffing. Besides, to do so on the sly is simply dishonest.

You know that for a fact the system assumes the average occupancy is under the max? Again I don't really think what anyone on here says is going to make a difference. If I want to put 6 in a studio, I will. If I don't, I won't.

 

[Dean]

You know that for a fact the system assumes the average occupancy is under the max? Again I don't really think what anyone on here says is going to make a difference. If I want to put 6 in a studio, I will. If I don't, I won't.

Do I know it's factual that the system assumes that many units will not be full, absolutely. Are some going to do it no matter what, absolutely, dishonest people are going to find a way to be dishonest. I'm not sure any of us are discussing this to make a difference but rather simply to discuss it. If one wants to make a different, report those who you know do it, complain to DVC at the VP level and to the state of FL at DIVISION OF FLORIDA CONDOMINIUMS, TIMESHARES, AND MOBILE HOMES.

Michael Cochran, Director
Division of Florida Condominiums, Timeshares, and Mobile Homes
1940 North Monroe Street
Tallahassee, FL 32399

Phone: 850.488.1122
Fax: 850.921.5446

 

[bpmorley]

Do I know it's factual that the system assumes that many units will not be full, absolutely. Are some going to do it no matter what, absolutely, dishonest people are going to find a way to be dishonest. I'm not sure any of us are discussing this to make a difference but rather simply to discuss it. If one wants to make a different, report those who you know do it, complain to DVC at the VP level and to the state of FL at DIVISION OF FLORIDA CONDOMINIUMS, TIMESHARES, AND MOBILE HOMES.

Oh ok, you must work for disney. Then why aren't you reporting everyone that sneaks an extra person?
I do know that most of you on here are just discussing it, but it does seem like beating a dead horse at this point. It's never gonna change. And I still believe the underutilized room far outweigh the overutilized ones.
How about another way? If DVC is allowing people to book more than allowed, give them the most undesirable rooms. Put them out in the Carousel or that last bldg in the Granstand.

 

[Dean]

Oh ok, you must work for disney. Then why aren't you reporting everyone that sneaks an extra person?
I do know that most of you on here are just discussing it, but it does seem like beating a dead horse at this point. It's never gonna change. And I still believe the underutilized room far outweigh the overutilized ones.
How about another way? If DVC is allowing people to book more than allowed, give them the most undesirable rooms. Put them out in the Carousel or that last bldg in the Granstand.

Not employed, unfortunately they get my money rather than giving me some. If you don't want to discuss it then don't. IMO, at this time, there are 2 issues. One is that DVC allows people to go over and that is something they will need to be held responsible for. Then there's those that sneak around dishonestly, there's always that crowd.

 

[bpmorley]

Not employed, unfortunately they get my money rather than giving me some. If you don't want to discuss it then don't. IMO, at this time, there are 2 issues. One is that DVC allows people to go over and that is something they will need to be held responsible for. Then there's those that sneak around dishonestly, there's always that crowd.

They get everyones money. It's not that I don't want to discuss it, or anything for that matter. But has any new material come up since this thread started?

And I still think it's a wash, for every over, there are tons of unders.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I don't understand why you don't understand the concept of occupancy. When we all bought into DVC, we were given the Public Offering Statement along with other documents. When you buy into DVC, you are told that a studio sleeps four, a one bedroom four (or five depends on the resort), a two bedroom eight( or nine, again depends on the resort) and a Grand Villa sleeps twelve. They will allow one extra child under the age of three, but even that isn't in any of the documentation.

Why do you believe you are entitled to pack as many as you want into the villa? All members need to read the documents and live with them. None of us are any more special than the others.

 

[tjkraz]

They get everyones money. It's not that I don't want to discuss it, or anything for that matter. But has any new material come up since this thread started?

And I still think it's a wash, for every over, there are tons of unders.

But there are more "overs" when DVC openly advocates exceeding the max occupancy. There are more "overs" if all owners subscribe to the philosophy that we can all do whatever we want.

And if you're OK with the "overs", then I hope you won't ever complain about overcrowding on bus & boat transportation. I hope you don't have issues finding a chair by the pool. Don't blame Disney if you get into your room late--after all, it takes much longer to clean a one bedroom villa that's been home to 6 people for the past week. You'll have to live with whatever lines manifest themselves at resort restaurants.

None of us is perfect but I have a hard time taking a laissez faire attitude toward violation of any rule. The rule that I may be so quick to dismiss could very well negatively impact others' vacations.

How many "overs" does it take before people have to wait for the next bus because the line is too long, wait longer for their meal or leave the pool area because there are no chairs to be found? How many pieces of furniture have had to be replaced because guests rearrange the room while making space for their air beds? How many people have walked into a dinged-up villa room because there just isn't adequate storage space for 5 or 6 suitcases in a Studio?

 

[Sammie]

Occupany in hotel rooms is similiar to occupany levels in cars. A car built for 4 is not safe or comfortable with 8 in it, the same applies to rooms.

 

[dianeschlicht]

You can't understand why I can't understand????? don't talk down to me, ever!

That sounds like a desperate statement. I don't see anyone talking down, but I do see someone trying to shout others down.

 

[bpmorley]

That sounds like a desperate statement. I don't see anyone talking down, but I do see someone trying to shout others down.

Not a desparate statement at all. Read it once, took it the wrong way(I think). After reading it again, decided I was wrong about what I wrote

 

[dianeschlicht]

Not talking down to you in the least (yeah, I saw your comment). Maybe you might want to take the time to read what you purchased. As for what you were told, if it isn't in writing it's not happening. For the money people spend on DVC, it's surprising they don't read the documents before they sign at the palm trees.

Yeah, I've always wondered why people don't feel it's their responsibility to actually read what they sign. Obviously lots of people feel that way though, or else we wouldn't have so many here saying "I never heard of that".

 

[bpmorley]

Yeah, I've always wondered why people don't feel it's their responsibility to actually read what they sign. Obviously lots of people feel that way though, or else we wouldn't have so many here saying "I never heard of that".

I never said I didn't know what the occupancy levels are. I just don't care what other people do.

 

[Chuck S]

A friendly reminder that the DIS does not allow posts that suggest/advocate breaking published and established Disney/DVC rules, including occupany.

This is a thread to answer questions about occupancy limits, and to discuss occupancy limits. It is not a thread to advocate breaking established rules.

Some posts, and posts that quoted them, have been removed.

 

[Dean]

They get everyones money. It's not that I don't want to discuss it, or anything for that matter. But has any new material come up since this thread started?

And I still think it's a wash, for every over, there are tons of unders.

But that's just it, it's not a wash. The under users are factored in, the over users really aren't, at least not to the degree applicable. We can argue how significant the costs are but that there are real costs cannot be denied and they are additive to everything else. And as Tim suggests, once DVC semi officially looks the other way, you go from a small % to a much large %. Every hotel and timeshare have those that violate the rules but it is a relatively small % if there are actually rules that are acknowledged. I know timeshares where you have to sign that you won't go over and if you do, there are fines and if you're not under at 2 hours after you are confronted, you are evicted.

Rules were made to be broken

And this is likely where are true disagreement is. In the absence of life and death pressures, rules are broken by dishonest people or for a true and appropriate reason and saving a few $$$ does not qualify as appropriate. I don't think one can argue it's for the principle to stuff a room.

 

[Disneypubgal]

And this is likely where are true disagreement is. In the absence of life and death pressures, rules are broken by dishonest people or for a true and appropriate reason and saving a few $$$ does not qualify as appropriate. I don't think one can argue it's for the principle to stuff a room.

Amen!!

 

[BEASLYBOO]

Unfortunately, for those of us who pay dues and respect the rules regarding occupancy and every other rule for that matter, I disagree with thinking that 5 "overs" causing wear and tear is undone by 10 "unders". Two wrongs don't make a right! When it's damaged or worn, the only thing left to do is refurbish and we have to put up with the wear and tear till it comes time for that refurbishment.

I take care of my home, I take the same attitude when staying with friends, and the same goes for my timeshare! What is so hard to understand about the concept of occupancy or are we just to get a rise out of people?

 

[montrealdisneylovers]

Just because some people go over occupancy by one person does not mean they are damaging the units. You can have a family with one extra person respecting the property and another family under capacity with no respect for property. A two year old child allowed to climb on furniture or color on the table will do more damage than an eight year old playing video games or watching Disney movies. I really do not think occupancy is the issue, rather respect for property which is what Disney should be monitoring more closely.

 

[Chuck S]

Just because some people go over occupancy by one person does not mean they are damaging the units. You can have a family with one extra person respecting the property and another family under capacity with no respect for property. A two year old child allowed to climb on furniture or color on the table will do more damage than an eight year old playing video games or watching Disney movies. I really do not think occupancy is the issue, rather respect for property which is what Disney should be monitoring more closely.

But wouldn't you agree that part of the respect for the property would be to comply with the published and established occupancy rules of the property? Or do you think it is OK to pick and chose which rules to follow?

 

[montrealdisneylovers]

I definitely agree one should comply with the occupancy rules. What I am saying is that just because you are complying or not complying does not determine the amount of damage caused in a particular unit. I have a much bigger problem with people disrespecting common property by allowing physical damage than disrespecting by a technicality. Both are wrong but in my opionion one is worse than the other. Just because I am within my occupancy limits does not allow a free for all and just because I am outside my limits does not imply that damage will be caused to the units. I think people should be reported for causing damage not for having an extra person in the room.

 

[tjkraz]

Just because some people go over occupancy by one person does not mean they are damaging the units. You can have a family with one extra person respecting the property and another family under capacity with no respect for property. A two year old child allowed to climb on furniture or color on the table will do more damage than an eight year old playing video games or watching Disney movies. I really do not think occupancy is the issue, rather respect for property which is what Disney should be monitoring more closely.

There's really no value in selectively comparing the best and worst in two groups. We're talking about averages. On average, the more people you put in a room, the more damage is likely. The damage doesn't have to manifest itself in the form of blatant abuse--it's the result of rearranging furniture in order to adequately sleep everyone or simply having too many people + possessions in too small of a space.