Mark Maddoff

[Freyja]

Does anyone know whether it is true that he hung himself while alone at home with his 2 year old son?

 

[LuvOrlando]

That is what they said in the news. Supposedly he has been having a hard time for a while, which makes me wonder why anyone would intentionally leave a child in the care of an unstable adult, parent or not.

I always feel deeply sad for any child who is forced to live with their parents tarnished legacy, no matter how old the damage is severe... Poor guy, I hope he finds peace and I hope his own child can recover for what his Dad has done to him. That Bernie has quite a lot of blood on his hands

 

[Freyja]

I have felt sad for the whole family ever since Bernie Maddoff was sentenced. I can´t even begin to imagine what they have had to endure. However, as you said, I can´t fathom why anyone would leave a toddler with someone so very unstable (unless of course he hadn´t shown any signs). I can´t help but wonder for how long the poor child was alone with his dead father.

 

[sunnyday123]

Apparently his wife was in Disney with their 4 yr old daughter, and he emailed her and told her he loved her, and to have someone check on the 2 year old. She sent her step-father to the apartment. Very sad.

 

[hambirg]

I don't really know too many of the details, but in situations like this, I don't understand why they don't change their names and try to make another life. Please understand that I'm not knocking the poor guy. . .I'm sure it must be very difficult. It's just that I share the same home town as Ted Bundy and I know for a fact that most of his relatives changed their names so as not to be associated with him and his heinous crimes. Also, my hometown had a big brouhaha in the late 70's. There were racketeering charges against many city officials. Well. . .it came to light that the "family" in town was the Carbone's. I went to school with one of the daughters. Nice girl, but there was no doubt about her family when her "uncles" showed up to keep an eye on her while her folks were out of town. The funny thing was after this whole bust. . .all of the Carbone's became Carlson's.

Apparently his wife was in Disney with their 4 yr old daughter, and he emailed her and told her he loved her, and to have someone check on the 2 year old. She sent her step-father to the apartment. Very sad.

It really is.

 

[woodkins]

I don't really know too many of the details, but in situations like this, I don't understand why they don't change their names and try to make another life. Please understand that I'm not knocking the poor guy. . .I'm sure it must be very difficult. It's just that I share the same home town as Ted Bundy and I know for a fact that most of his relatives changed their names so as not to be associated with him and his heinous crimes. Also, my hometown had a big brouhaha in the late 70's. There were racketeering charges against many city officials. Well. . .it came to light that the "family" in town was the Carbone's. I went to school with one of the daughters. Nice girl, but there was no doubt about her family when her "uncles" showed up to keep an eye on her while her folks were out of town. The funny thing was after this whole bust. . .all of the Carbone's became Carlson's.



It really is.

They did petition the court for a name change...going to become the "Morgan's". It wasn't that easy, he did work for the father during the ponzi scheme & he currently has a civil suit against him. Also, he has over 2 million dollars in a so called "charity fund" in his wife's name, yet the fund has not made any charitable contributions in over a year but has still taken advantage of all of the tax breaks and deductions that a charity is offered. We don't know the extent of his involvement, and there has been more investigations and indictments in the past few days with those involved.
Greed is a horrible thing and has ruined so many lives.

 

[hambirg]

They did petition the court for a name change...going to become the "Morgan's". It wasn't that easy, he did work for the father during the ponzi scheme & he currently has a civil suit against him. Also, he has over 2 million dollars in a so called "charity fund" in his wife's name, yet the fund has not made any charitable contributions in over a year but has still taken advantage of all of the tax breaks and deductions that a charity is offered. We don't know the extent of his involvement, and there has been more investigations and indictments in the past few days with those involved.
Greed is a horrible thing and has ruined so many lives.

Oh wow! Yeah. . like I said. . I don't know any of the details. It must be very overwhelming dealing with that. In the same breath, I could never do that to my children, so I'm sure his level of despair must have been unbearable. It must be doubly so if you were raised with that kind of mindset and greed. Sad. . .just really sad.

 

[AustinTink]

He worked for his father. He had over $66 million in homes and other assets. There are lawsuits and other investigations ongoing against him. He worked with his father and had to have known what was going on. Innocent victim he was not.

 

[ols386]

He worked for his father. He had over $66 million in homes and other assets. There are lawsuits and other investigations ongoing against him. He worked with his father and had to have known what was going on. Innocent victim he was not.

He may not have been an innocent victim, but I do feel bad for his children.

 

[AustinTink]

He may not have been an innocent victim, but I do feel bad for his children.

I agree, those are the real victims in that family.

 

[hambirg]

He worked for his father. He had over $66 million in homes and other assets. There are lawsuits and other investigations ongoing against him. He worked with his father and had to have known what was going on. Innocent victim he was not.

I'm sure you are right. . .BUT when you see your parents doing things that afford you the lifestyle that you are accustomed to. . .I think it is harder. My experience as a teacher in an inner city school is at the opposite end of the spectrum. .. but no less worse. If mom and dad sell drugs and teach us to steal so that we can pay the bills and eat. . .then that's what we know. I really think it is probably the same mind set. . .Daddy rips people off for millions of $$$ and we live a lavish lifestyle. . .so it's ok. . .yeah. . .right up until we all get caught!

And I do feel bad for the children. But I honestly wonder how we all feel about the children on the opposite end. It was a year ago that that slimy a*****e shot and killed 4 police officers while they met for their morning coffee. . ..but they are still just innocent children.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

I don't know many of the details either, but the article I read said he was the one who turned in his father. If true, makes it seem less likely he was involved.

 

[AustinTink]

I don't know many of the details either, but the article I read said he was the one who turned in his father. If true, makes it seem less likely he was involved.

I'm willing to bet that was orchestrated, as well.

 

[Imzadi]

I have felt sad for the whole family ever since Bernie Maddoff was sentenced. I can´t even begin to imagine what they have had to endure. However, as you said, I can´t fathom why anyone would leave a toddler with someone so very unstable (unless of course he hadn´t shown any signs). I can´t help but wonder for how long the poor child was alone with his dead father.

It's interesting to read what you guys think who don't see the local news here.

I posted this in yesterdays thread about the Madoffs. It bears repeating.

I don't feel sympathy for his mother. His MOTHER has been hindering the investigation by trying to KEEP what her husband stole for herself. She supposedly brokered a deal with the feds to tell what info she has been willing to, in order to keep the stuff she has been able to keep. She also won't tell where a lot of the wealth is still hidden, even though the feds believe she does know.

I remember when it was on the news here, how she was finally ousted from the last of their NYC, multimillion dollar homes, she finally had to walk out of that posh place into a plain car, (plain according to their standards.)

Her own greed is partly responsible for her son's death.

(Snipped & reposted from yesterday)
Quality stock...those Madoff's. Killing yourself is one thing, not bothering to consider a two year old or anyone else is not much different the Papa Madoff but in some ways much worse. If that is the truth about his child being present, all sympathy I might have felt has just gone away from him and transferred to his son.

On the one hand, I feel for him. He was probably a victim of his father's at the very beginning. If he knew early on, he had a choice to turn in hIs father then. Really what is it about this family that they do not consider their own children?

Kill yourself, but ensure your child's safety, FIRST. Don't leave email notes. He obviously had enough mental faculties to consider someone should come and deal with the child. He should have made those arrangements first.

What if there had been a fire? What if the kid had woken up from a nightmare and decided to look for his father? It is unreal the self-absorption in this family.


http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/11/new.york.madoff.son.suicide/index.html?hpt=T1

 

[Imzadi]

He worked for his father. He had over $66 million in homes and other assets. There are lawsuits and other investigations ongoing against him. He worked with his father and had to have known what was going on. Innocent victim he was not.

I don't think someone can change their name if they are part of an ongoing investigation. Also not sure if later on, if he got convicted of anything he could have changed his name. I remember reading how names can't be changed to defraud or purposely mislead the public.

If he would have been convicted, I would think that l=part of his punishment would/should be to be KNOWN for the crime, not hide by changing names. That's cowardice. He already just has taken a cowards way out.

I'm sure you are right. . .BUT when you see your parents doing things that afford you the lifestyle that you are accustomed to. . .I think it is harder.

He was an adult. He made choices.

The Unibomber's own brother turned him in. That's called doing the right thing, having integrity and having a conscience about right and wrong.

Now that Mark Madoff is dead, with both the father and the mother not telling where all the money is, those secrets may have gone to the grave with Mark Madoff. He could have left a note telling where some of it is, before he hung himself. But, that would have been a choice, too.

 

[allison443]

I'm willing to bet that was orchestrated, as well.

I agree.

 

[hambirg]

I don't think someone can change their name if they are part of an ongoing investigation. Also not sure if later on, if he got convicted of anything he could have changed his name. I remember reading how names can't be changed to defraud or purposely mislead the public.

If he would have been convicted, I would think that l=part of his punishment would/should be to be KNOWN for the crime, not hide by changing names. That's cowardice. He already just has taken a cowards way out.



He was an adult. He made choices.

The Unibomber's own brother turned him in. That's called doing the right thing, having integrity and having a conscience about right and wrong.

Now that Mark Madoff is dead, with both the father and the mother not telling where all the money is, those secrets may have gone to the grave with Mark Madoff. He could have left a note telling where some of it is, before he hung himself. But, that would have been a choice, too.

I understand what you're saying. . .but to me, I don't classify it any differently than, say kids that are being sexually abused at home, they know it's wrong. . .but they also know that coming clean may completely shake up their life. I understand that it really may not be the same. . .but I think the dynamic is. . .yes, the choice is theirs to make. . .but unless we walk in those shoes it's really hard to judge and understand what is going on on an emotional and psychological level. Anywhoo. . tragedy for this guy. .no matter how guilty. . .and doubly so for his children!

 

[allison443]

I understand what you're saying. . .but to me, I don't classify it any differently than, say kids that are being sexually abused at home, they know it's wrong. . .but they also know that coming clean may completely shake up their life. I understand that it really may not be the same. . .but I think the dynamic is. . .yes, the choice is theirs to make. . .but unless we walk in those shoes it's really hard to judge and understand what is going on on an emotional and psychological level. Anywhoo. . tragedy for this guy. .no matter how guilty. . .and doubly so for his children!

I disagree with your comparison of Mark Madoff, a successful, well educated adult with a long career in the financial world, with a child who is being sexually abused. The psychological torment of a child being sexually abused cannot be compared with an adult involved in a financial Ponzi scheme which financed an opulent lifestyle.

 

[allison443]

It's interesting to read what you guys think who don't see the local news here.

I posted this in yesterdays thread about the Madoffs. It bears repeating.

I don't feel sympathy for his mother. His MOTHER has been hindering the investigation by trying to KEEP what her husband stole for herself. She supposedly brokered a deal with the feds to tell what info she has been willing to, in order to keep the stuff she has been able to keep. She also won't tell where a lot of the wealth is still hidden, even though the feds believe she does know.

I remember when it was on the news here, how she was finally ousted from the last of their NYC, multimillion dollar homes, she finally had to walk out of that posh place into a plain car, (plain according to their standards.)

Her own greed is partly responsible for her son's death.




On the one hand, I feel for him. He was probably a victim of his father's at the very beginning. If he knew early on, he had a choice to turn in hIs father then. Really what is it about this family that they do not consider their own children?

Kill yourself, but ensure your child's safety, FIRST. Don't leave email notes. He obviously had enough mental faculties to consider someone should come and deal with the child. He should have made those arrangements first.

What if there had been a fire? What if the kid had woken up from a nightmare and decided to look for his father? It is unreal the self-absorption in this family.


http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/11/new.york.madoff.son.suicide/index.html?hpt=T1

Imzadi, I am also in the NY metro area and I agree with you. There is not a lot of sympathy for the Madoff family (although of course people recognize the suicide is sad, and a tragedy) and I don't think too many people believe Mark was an innocent victim.

 

[hambirg]

I disagree with your comparison of Mark Madoff, a successful, well educated adult with a long career in the financial world, with a child who is being sexually abused. The psychological torment of a child being sexually abused cannot be compared with an adult involved in a financial Ponzi scheme which financed an opulent lifestyle.

Well ... I respect your opinion. But I still have some compassion in my heart with somebody that was raised to believe that what they were doing is "normal." I taught a poor girl that was abused by her Dad, and as her brothers aged they abused her too. I'm not taking anything away from her as a victim. . .but I do feel that her brothers were raised under such abnormal circumstances that they weren't fully responsible. Yes. . I'm pretty dang sure they knew at some level what they were doing was wrong and they dang well felt some guilt. . .BUT if it wasn't for their Dad doing it too. . .I don't think it would have ever crossed their radar as an option. That's what I meant. . .in making that heinous comparison. . .sometimes. . .just sometimes. . .there are children that are raised under such circumstances that those of us in the "normal" population can't really understand. None of this really matters now. . .this guy and his dad saw it fit to rip people off. . .now he has left behind a wife and two children that. . .even though they probably benefited from their crimes. .. are innocent in this whole mess.