March 7th Fast Pass Experiences

[Love Tink]

Why so insistent on maintaining this tone? LET - IT - GO!

Nice try, but sadly you are wasting your time trying to get this particular one to lighten up.

Although, to be fair, trying to identlfy all the missing words in each post can be hours of fun. And, if I recall correctly, this is the person who introduced Morales to our lives. As for me, I'm forever grateful.

 

[Cheesehead9]

I haven't heard a single first person account of anyone being denied entry today due to a late FP. But I have heard several stories of people being let on and CMs saying "we will enforce it soon."

Isn't this the same type of lenient attitude they had before? It makes me wonder if the only significance of today was to change the verbiage on the FP's. If they don't enforce it today (their supposed hard deadline), I wonder if they ever will.

 

[KellyNY]

Kelly,

Rest assured, when the effect is that you are individually inconvenienced by FP users from here on out, you can feel good about the fact that you are being inconvenienced only by upstanding, rule-following, on-time FP users and not inconsiderate jerks using them late.

Totally fine with that.
BTW, you are the only one calling late FPers names here and on previous thread, nobody else was doing it but you.

 

[Arnir]

One problem with letting the CMs accept excuses for a late arrival is that people will lie about it. You know this board will be full of people saying "late ADR works, but not bathroom break, so tell them..." etc. I think that if there is a problem with a broken attraction or meal issue then guests should be given a FP of some sort at that location. When the HM broke down we were told it could be 20 minutes or so until we could get on. I had to leave because I had an haircut appointment on Main Street that I didn't want to miss. They gave me one of those any ride Fastpasses and it was great.

If you feel that Disney has caused you to be late and you can show the FP that will be unusable, then I think that it is fair for that venue to give you a new one. I think it could be done w/o much hassle. Time will tell.

 

[KellyNY]

Nice try, but sadly you are wasting your time trying to get this particular one to lighten up.

Although, to be fair, trying to identlfy all the missing words in each post can be hours of fun. And, if I recall correctly, this is the person who introduced Morales to our lives. As for me, I'm forever grateful.

Oh, grammar police is here.

If it takes you hours to identify missing words, well... not something I would proudly admit...

BTW, "morales" was not my creation, it was used on that thread before me, I just happened to repeat it.

 

[skier_pete]

So, a few comments based on what is being said.

We always used FP late. However, we never had to lie to do so. We showed our passes, said we were late, and were let in. While I will take advantage of what might be called a loophole in the system, I would NEVER lie and say we had an emergency where we couldn't make the window. I would hope the majority of late users wouldn't do this. Unfortunately, how they handle the liars will be a real issue.

I also do believe there was a affect on the length of FP line by late FP users. I don't think it was the majority, but I wouldn't be surprised if 20 % of the people knew about it. It was something that was building over time as a problem. As more people knew about it, then they told more people...it's like the old shampoo commercial where "they told two friends, then they told two friends, and so on and so on" until a million people know about it. However, I am not sure you will really see shorter stand-by lines. If you can no longer use your late FP - that means that instead of riding rides in the FP line, you are now riding in the standby line. Therefore, there will be more people waiting in the standby lines than there were before, and so while the standby lines will likely move faster, they will actually be longer, so in the end it will be a wash.

As far as if you return to the ride and it has broken down, they have two choices, either allow late FP for the rest of the day, or hand out FP to those that DO return. Last trip I was riding RnRC (single rider) and we got to the inside queue and the ride broke down. They cleared the queue, and while doing so gave everyone a FP that was good for the rest of the day. They could easily do this with ride breakdowns. If you come to get into the FP line while a ride is broken, they exchange your FP for one that's good the rest of the day.

I do beleive they should expand the window to 2 hours. While you can say "you shouldn't get a FP that you can't return for", I can see cases where you can easily think a window could be made and it isn't. Example: Have a 12:45 -1:45 PM FP for Space Mountain,since your lunch ADR @ Crystal Palace is 11:50 AM you think you have plenty of time to use it. You go to the restaurant, and wait 30 minutes to be seated. Lunch takes an hour 20 minutes. Suddenly its 1:45 PM and your sprinting across the park to get to your FP return time.

Overall though, I don't think I will be using FP any less. Whereas now we grab a 9:50 AM FP for Peter Pan first thing in the morning for later in the day and then ride standby, we'll instead grab a FP for 9:50 AM, ride standby, ride some other rides in Fantasyland, and then use our FP. When another one comes available, I'll scurry to our planned next destination (say Jungle Cruise) and grab another one. It still with involve a lot of FP running, though. I look forward to the potential XPass, which will allow you to pre-book the FP times (at least 4 if you are booked out far enough), thus eliminating a lot of the FP running.

So there's my 28 cents.

 

[larryz]

Kelly,

Rest assured, when the effect is that you are individually inconvenienced by FP users from here on out, you can feel good about the fact that you are being inconvenienced only by upstanding, rule-following, on-time FP users and not inconsiderate jerks using them late.

Hey, I offered to call her and tell her when I was headed to a ride on a late FP, so she could run over and beat me to it, but she just didn't believe me...

 

[larryz]

One problem with letting the CMs accept excuses for a late arrival is that people will lie about it.

Not if Morales can help it...

 

[Mad Hattered]

I just posted this on the other thread. Anyone notice on the Space Mountain pass at the bottom right hand corner it says, "GP 11:40". Do you guys think that could mean "grace period 11:40"?? 11:40 would be 15 minutes after the FP expires. I can't read the print at the bottom of the Soarin' pass, so no way to check the theory yet. --Katie

Sweet catch!

 

[Sammie]

I haven't heard a single first person account of anyone being denied entry today due to a late FP. But I have heard several stories of people being let on and CMs saying "we will enforce it soon."

Isn't this the same type of lenient attitude they had before? It makes me wonder if the only significance of today was to change the verbiage on the FP's. If they don't enforce it today (their supposed hard deadline), I wonder if they ever will.

Where did you read about CMs saying "they will enforce it soon" I missed that, was in this thread?

Thanks.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

In my opinion, FP is not working out the way they had planned, it is time to dis-ban it totally and go back to regular standby lines for all involved. You watch how the lines will be shorter. You won't have so many "returning" causing the wait time to increase. If Disney just wants the guest to shop and eat, then maybe they should stop building attractions, lower the admission price and allow guests to do just that, come in to spend their money on food and merchandise. As it is now, on a crowded day, not many attractions will get done if we have to wait the 2 hour time frame to obtain another FP in some cases.. and wait the sometimes 4 hour time frame to return for the attraction, then only have an hour window to do so?????? We are there to enjoy ourselves.. not on a time clock as we are at work OK 2pm Thunder Mt.. oh no, missed my 5:30 appointment at Splash Mt due to Space Mt going down while I was on that line with my 4pm appt time..and told to come back tonight, but won't be here tonight.. I can just see this happening! now what.. wasted my money.. that's what... Like I said, do away with FP totally!

I hope not. I was visiting WDW long before FP was introduced. We have always used our FP in the window provided, & we get much more done now than we did then.

Maintaining what tone exactly?

And why exactly did not you comment when Mesaboy brought this up but feel the need to point me out?

Just a guess, but my money's on the poster not agreeing with your POV. They probably agree with POV of the poster before you who actually posted a reply along the same lines, but with an opposing view. This is the first FP enforcement thread I've read, & I'm surprised by the amount of ganging up going on. Obviously, there is a back story to it, but the bashing is obvious & detracts from the conversation. Maybe, everyone needs to let it go.

 

[mattsdragon]

Is it March 7th yet?

And without naming names. . .

it is spelled S-E-N-S-E

Not S-E-N-C-E

Sorry, pet peeve

 

[ScottJayhawk]

Let's remember one thing here.... Nobody is being denied the ability to ride any ride. If for whatever reason you miss your generous 1 hour window of return time you absolutely positively can still ride the ride. I promise there is a line for everyone just a few feet away, available anytime!

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

Kelly,

Rest assured, when the effect is that you are individually inconvenienced by FP users from here on out, you can feel good about the fact that you are being inconvenienced only by upstanding, rule-following, on-time FP users and not inconsiderate jerks using them late.

Not to be picky but I do believe it was "inconsiderate oaf".

 

[twokids0204]

If i remember correctly, the whole idea of the FP was 'to hold a place in line'... meaning you walk up to the ride, the line is long, so you get a FP and then 'hang out' (eating shopping etc) until your time is up. In effect, holding your place in the SB line while allowing you to do something else....

NOT - get a FP then ride a whole bunch of other rides and then come back.

So, 2 hours is almost TOO long of a wait!

Wow, you clarified it beautifully.

I am (was) a TOTAL late Fastpass user.

But if you think about the real intent of the FP, it was so you didn't have to wait in line.

I've always equated it to being at a bakery, and taking a number (when explaining it to newbies). And by that theory, if I were at a bakery, and I was holding #26, and missed my turn because I went to another store, I wouldn't be allowed back in line at #58.

Your reasoning and logic is honestly a fresh perspective to me, but does make A LOT of sense.

 

[scrapper2k]

When we were at Disney last week, we were stuck on a few rides so it would be difficult to start the fastpass reissue.

 

[SmallWorld71]

There is a nice, first hand, blog on easywdw.com about the new FP policy. Maybe someone more computer savvy than I could post a link.And, I apologize if it has already been mentioned. I scanned the thread quickly and didn't see it.

 

[jsf0003]

OK. As a (former) late return abuser, I'm a bit concerned about one thing...

It's was one thing to trek from Frontierland to Tomorrowland to pull FP's knowing that we would be able to use them anytime that day.

It's a WHOLE DIFFERENT thing to trek from Frontierland to Tomorrowland to pull FP's not having any idea what the return window will be.

Don't get me wrong. I have NO PROBLEM with WDW enforcing return times.

However, how about EPCOT-style sign boards throughout the parks posting current FP return windows?

Seems like it would be easy to do, especially with the next-gen system.

And an app wouldn't be far behind...

 

[serenitygr]

 

[skier_pete]

OK. As a (former) late return abuser, I'm a bit concerned about one thing...

It's was one thing to trek from Frontierland to Tomorrowland to pull FP's knowing that we would be able to use them anytime that day.

It's a WHOLE DIFFERENT thing to trek from Frontierland to Tomorrowland to pull FP's not having any idea what the return window will be.

Don't get me wrong. I have NO PROBLEM with WDW enforcing return times.

However, how about EPCOT-style sign boards throughout the parks posting current FP return windows?

Seems like it would be easy to do, especially with the next-gen system.

And an app wouldn't be far behind...

They DO have sign boards at MK. There is one at the Hub end of main street, though that may be the only one. I agree there should be others as well, though their might be and I've just never seen it.(DAK also has a central board when you come through the Oasis. Not sure about DHS.)

And I believe the Mobile Magic App already gives FP return times.