Looking for a teaching job? Rhode Island is hiring 74 at one school!

[daughtersrus]

I will leave you with this......the teachers at the high school earn between $70,000 - $78,000 while the median household income in the city is $22,000........

How much are the principal, superintendent and other administrators in this district making?

 

[shrubber]

I think that it is absurd that our goverment paid employees will not work an extra 25 minutes a day.

In an update, all 88 teachers have been fired!
Perhaps they should all get private sector jobs and see what it's like in the real world.

http://www.necn.com/02/23/10/Rhode-Island-teachers-fired/landing.html?blockID=185539&feedID=4215

 

[Kathi OD]

Perhaps they should all get private sector jobs and see what it's like in the real world.

This makes me laugh every time I hear it. A classic case of "the grass is greener on the other side."

Most of the people I know who work in the "real world," have much less demands on them than I do as a teacher. They are constantly surprised at how much time my "cushy job" eats into my time outside of school.

FWIW, most of us have spouses who have "real jobs, in the real world." In over 30 years of marriage, DH has never had to do anything after hours. NEVER. He has made considerably more money than I, with less education. His benefits have always been better than mine. He has been laid off at times, but then again, so have I. As for my friends that work in the "real world", their realities are the same as DH's.

Maybe, if you think teachers have it so easy, you should have become one, so you too could live in a fantasy world.

 

[Goldenbear6]

At what point do the students take responsibility for themselves?

That would be never. We are in an age of not taking responsibility for ourselves. Don't you understand, we are now entitled. We no longer have to work for a living. The other guy, does all of the work, and we get all of his rewards. Chicken Little Lives.

 

[shrubber]

This makes me laugh every time I hear it. A classic case of "the grass is greener on the other side."

Most of the people I know who work in the "real world," have much less demands on them than I do as a teacher. They are constantly surprised at how much time my "cushy job" eats into my time outside of school.

FWIW, most of us have spouses who have "real jobs, in the real world." In over 30 years of marriage, DH has never had to do anything after hours. NEVER. He has made considerably more money than I, with less education. His benefits have always been better than mine. He has been laid off at times, but then again, so have I. As for my friends that work in the "real world", their realities are the same as DH's.

Maybe, if you think teachers have it so easy, you should have become one, so you too could live in a fantasy world.

Professionals work to get the job done right. Teachers stopped being professional the minute they join the union, then they become Labor.
As labor,they were doing a lousy job, and now are out on their can. I say hooray for the superintendant.

 

[lillygator]

Usually "per diem" means per day.

actually - we have employees here that are per diem, paid by the hour, they just get no benefits or vacation time.

 

[daughtersrus]

Professionals work to get the job done right. Teachers stopped being professional the minute they join the union, then they become Labor.
As labor,they were doing a lousy job, and now are out on their can. I say hooray for the superintendant.

Do you have this opinion about all unions members or only teachers?

 

[PeterPan09]

This makes me laugh every time I hear it. A classic case of "the grass is greener on the other side."

Most of the people I know who work in the "real world," have much less demands on them than I do as a teacher. They are constantly surprised at how much time my "cushy job" eats into my time outside of school.

FWIW, most of us have spouses who have "real jobs, in the real world." In over 30 years of marriage, DH has never had to do anything after hours. NEVER. He has made considerably more money than I, with less education. His benefits have always been better than mine. He has been laid off at times, but then again, so have I. As for my friends that work in the "real world", their realities are the same as DH's.

Maybe, if you think teachers have it so easy, you should have become one, so you too could live in a fantasy world.

My best friend makes $56,000 a year. That's almost twice what I make since I got laid off. She has less formal education than I do and she has WAY more time off than I do. It is also one heck of a lot harder for her to get laid off than it was for me. Yes, she brings her job home a lot more than I do, but she's well aware of the up side. Real jobs in the real world paying salaries that are equal or less than teacher salaries in the same communties do not include July and August off, or the other weeks and days off that exist on most school schedules in this country. That's a reality.

I don't think for one minute that teaching is an easy job, and there's not enough money in the world to make me want to be one. However, to turn a blind eye to the clear advantages that teaching positions have over "real jobs in the real world" is short sighted.

 

[CapeMayMommy]

I think that it is absurd that our goverment paid employees will not work an extra 25 minutes a day.

In an update, all 88 teachers have been fired!
Perhaps they should all get private sector jobs and see what it's like in the real world.

http://www.necn.com/02/23/10/Rhode-Island-teachers-fired/landing.html?blockID=185539&feedID=4215

whoa...

 

[eliza61]

I'm a professional at a fortune 500 company and I guess I'll be the materialistic weasle of the board. I want to be paid for every nanosecond I'm working. If I work 2.5 mins, 25 mins or 25 hours extra I want to be paid for it. My company doesn't give a darn thing away free so why should I give them my time and expertise for free?

Not gonna happen, Sure there are many times I have to work over to complete a project but I keep track of every thing I do and the time my projects run me and you better believe I'm in my directors office negotiating compensation for it.

 

[shrubber]

Do you have this opinion about all unions members or only teachers?

It is amazing how difficult it seems to be for unions and a good number of union members to understand how things look from the perspective of the average joe. At most workplaces, more work for the same or less pay has been normal for a long, long time. Many people – both blue and white collar – are currently doing the same amount of work that it once took 1 1/2 or two people to do for the same money they always made. Plus they are footing more and more of the bill for their benefits. Also, pretty well everywhere except union shops, anyone who makes upwards of 50K is salaried and the idea that someone who makes around 80K getting overtime is ridiculous. And there’s certainly no sympathy in most workplaces for not getting a job done well. Many people have lost jobs over poor results even when the result of factors beyond their control, so union’s obsession with retaining job security regardless of performance looks unfathomable to the rest of us.

I think most of us understand that teaching is very important and perhaps a tad more difficult than other kinds of work. And I think that the public would be very supportive if unions were saying, “we are willing to do anything and everything humanly possible to give kids a good education, we just ask that we be granted reasonable pay, some flexibility and maybe some extra perks like nearly free healthcare in return.” However, what the public is hearing is, “we want more pay, lots of perks and never to be asked to change anything we’re doing or give any more than we’re giving – even if the job isn’t getting done.” That’s a message that isn’t going over well and the public is finally pushing back.

 

[rgf207]

I think that it is absurd that our goverment paid employees will not work an extra 25 minutes a day.

In an update, all 88 teachers have been fired!
Perhaps they should all get private sector jobs and see what it's like in the real world.

http://www.necn.com/02/23/10/Rhode-Island-teachers-fired/landing.html?blockID=185539&feedID=4215

Spoken like a true outsider who has absolutly no idea what it's like to teach but will not waste 1 second telling a teacher how to do their job or what a "real job" is like.

 

[shrubber]

Spoken like a true outsider who has absolutly no idea what it's like to teach but will not waste 1 second telling a teacher how to do their job or what a "real job" is like.

Half of the students are failing every subject, with 55 percent skilled in
reading and 7 percent proficient in math, officials said.

It seems pretty obvious that they are not doing their job. I don't think it takes an insider to figure that out.

 

[Kathi OD]

Professionals work to get the job done right. Teachers stopped being professional the minute they join the union, then they become Labor.
As labor,they were doing a lousy job, and now are out on their can. I say hooray for the superintendant.

Extremely short-sighted view of the world. Are you aware, that in some states, teachers are almost required to join the union, by STATE law?? In NJ, where I teach, I don't have to join the union, but by state law, will have to pay 80% of the dues!! Why would anyone pay 80% of union dues and not get any of the benefits of belonging?

I say that while you think the superintendent did the right thing, this is going to come back to bite them in the proverbial butt. The problems in this district go much deeper than a group of teachers belonging to a union doing a lousy job. Let the district hire new teachers and see what happens. I'll bet there will be a bigger outcry in a couple of years when graduation and attendance rates are even lower. I would even bet that the superintendent everyone is praising right now will be villified for getting rid of all the experienced, dedicated teachers.

There's plenty of blame to go around here. The thought that you lay it all at the feet of "unprofessional" teachers, blows me away.

 

[daughtersrus]

It is amazing how difficult it seems to be for unions and a good number of union members to understand how things look from the perspective of the average joe. At most workplaces, more work for the same or less pay has been normal for a long, long time. Many people – both blue and white collar – are currently doing the same amount of work that it once took 1 1/2 or two people to do for the same money they always made. Plus they are footing more and more of the bill for their benefits. Also, pretty well everywhere except union shops, anyone who makes upwards of 50K is salaried and the idea that someone who makes around 80K getting overtime is ridiculous. And there’s certainly no sympathy in most workplaces for not getting a job done well. Many people have lost jobs over poor results even when the result of factors beyond their control, so union’s obsession with retaining job security regardless of performance looks unfathomable to the rest of us.

So you're saying that this is all unions, not just the teachers right?

I think most of us understand that teaching is very important and perhaps a tad more difficult than other kinds of work. And I think that the public would be very supportive if unions were saying, “we are willing to do anything and everything humanly possible to give kids a good education, we just ask that we be granted reasonable pay, some flexibility and maybe some extra perks like nearly free healthcare in return.” However, what the public is hearing is, “we want more pay, lots of perks and never to be asked to change anything we’re doing or give any more than we’re giving – even if the job isn’t getting done.” That’s a message that isn’t going over well and the public is finally pushing back.

I don't think that what you posted is a fair in this case. From the CNN article, it says...The union spokesman said the teachers had accepted most of the changes but wanted to work out compensation for the extra hours of work.

The superintendent said the two sides could not agree on a pay rate


That is far from saying “we want more pay, lots of perks and never to be asked to change anything we’re doing or give any more than we’re giving – even if the job isn’t getting done.”

 

[eliza61]

Half of the students are failing every subject, with 55 percent skilled in
reading and 7 percent proficient in math, officials said.

It seems pretty obvious that they are not doing their job. I don't think it takes an insider to figure that out.

Or could it be that 25% don't speak english or english is their 2nd language so doubtful if they even know what is being said.
Or 50% started the H.S. 2-3 grade levels below the 9th grade so trying to play catch up is darn near impossible.
98% are below federal poverty levels so it's a good bet that not getting the support from parents needed.

So many failures in the inner city schools. As always teachers are being made the scape goat. Next year, when the scores don't improve they'll have another reason.

 

[rgf207]

Or could it be that 25% don't speak english or english is their 2nd language so doubtful if they even know what is being said.
Or 50% started the H.S. 2-3 grade levels below the 9th grade so trying to play catch up is darn near impossible.
98% are below federal poverty levels so it's a good bet that not getting the support from parents needed.

So many failures in the inner city schools. As always teachers are being made the scape goat. Next year, when the scores don't improve they'll have another reason.

Excellent point. Unfortunatly it's falling on deaf ears. You won't be abloe to reason with him/her. Since I grew up in a family of teachers and my wife is now a teacher, I see this same viewpoint all the time.

Let me ask you this shrubber, When did the responsibility fall from the parents and students onto the teachers? Why is it that when a studend fails, it's the teacher's fault and not the parents or, gasp, the studen themself?

 

[daughtersrus]

Half of the students are failing every subject, with 55 percent skilled in
reading and 7 percent proficient in math, officials said.

It seems pretty obvious that they are not doing their job. I don't think it takes an insider to figure that out.

When they talk about test scores, do we know if they are from the same students? From what I've read, this area is very transient. If this is the case, it's not likely that the students taking the test as freshmen will be the same ones taking the tests 2 years later as juniors.

The superintendent has been with the district for over 3 years so some would say that she isn't doing her job either.

 

[daughtersrus]

.

Let me ask you this shrubber, When did the responsibility fall from the parents and students onto the teachers? Why is it that when a studend fails, it's the teacher's fault and not the parents or, gasp, the studen themself?

Because they belong to a union.

 

[seven dwarfs]

My husband took a teaching job this past year after owning his own business for 10 years. He was so excited about how different it would be to have lunch time, off by 4ish...etc. Things he didn't have in his own business.

It has been an eye opening experience. He has so much paperwork to do, meetings to attend. A special ed program to learn and enforce. It has been so much more then we ever imagined.

He has been so sad because he can teach a lesson and the next day the kids don't remember any of it. The kids sleep during class and just don't care. Most can not read well, can't do basic math and can't even read a tape measure. He said it hurts his heart these are 9-12 graders. He doesn't have the time to teach basic reading and math skills and teach his program.

I don't know all the answers and how to fix things. But I do know you can't make a 9th grader learn if he doesn't want to. It has given us a huge new respect for a teacher. I admit we had no clue how much a teacher is responsible for. It is not an easy job and times sure have changed since we were both in school.