LL Premier Pass is here!

[Miffy]

I'm just hoping that this doesn't mean the end of LLMP and LLSP, because we can afford those, but LLPP is totally out of our price range.

If it becomes LLPP or standby, our trips to WDW will be seriously curtailed.

 

[KatieCharlotte]

The silver lining for me is that being this concerned about it selling out tells me that I really want LLPP and shouldn't feel guilty about buying it on this one trip....assuming it's available.

 

[Spoisal]

I am sorry to anyone who has been negatively affected, but I am personally excited!**

**as she changes her signature from "Feb 2025-CBR or BC (TBD)" to "Feb 2025-CBR".

 

[Sunelis]

Now that it's available to all hotels guests,,, Disney just need to make it unlimited rerides and I'll consider it.

 

[japanese maple]

Now that it's available to all hotels guests,,, Disney just need to make it unlimited rerides and I'll consider it.

Unlimited rides would be a disaster. Imagine the lines for Tron, Tiana, Guardian's etc. if people could ride over and over, whenever they want. Needs to remain one ride only, especially since all resort guests can buy it now.

 

[Lesverts]

Yep! Another wrench!

I think it's okay for people to vent without everyone trying to tell them why they shouldn't be upset. Just like it's okay to let people be excited about paying money for things we may think is a big waste of time.

I happen to think a Muppet overlay will be great for RNRC (see the news yet?), but I won't tell someone else not to be upset about it.

I just think people need some perspective and less 'main character syndrome'. As another poster said, this is going to impact people regardless of when Disney made the change. Today was my LL day. I was initially like sure lets give this a go. And I saw the price and was like no thank you. I booked about 220 dollars worth of MP and SP for my 6 day ticket and with assured rides on my top priorities I can spend the next week just counting down until I am in Disney again.

As for RNRC - woohoo!!!!!

I'm just hoping that this doesn't mean the end of LLMP and LLSP, because we can afford those, but LLPP is totally out of our price range.

If it becomes LLPP or standby, our trips to WDW will be seriously curtailed.

I doubt it. I think there is room for everyone. Hopefully.

Can you book premier pass, MP and SP all in the same day anyone know?

 

[japanese maple]

I just think people need some perspective and less 'main character syndrome'. As another poster said, this is going to impact people regardless of when Disney made the change. Today was my LL day. I was initially like sure lets give this a go. And I saw the price and was like no thank you. I booked about 220 dollars worth of MP and SP for my 6 day ticket and with assured rides on my top priorities I can spend the next week just counting down until I am in Disney again.

As for RNRC - woohoo!!!!!



I doubt it. I think there is room for everyone. Hopefully.

Can you book premier pass, MP and SP all in the same day anyone know?

And that's great for you!

 

[traveler9]

I'm just hoping that this doesn't mean the end of LLMP and LLSP, because we can afford those, but LLPP is totally out of our price range.

If it becomes LLPP or standby, our trips to WDW will be seriously curtailed.

I would personally be happy if they did that - sell LLPP at 10x the cost of LLMP and have 1/10 of the people using it vs LLMP. Fewer people in the LL would be nice.

 

[Miffy]

I would personally be happy if they did that - sell LLPP at 10x the cost of LLMP and have 1/10 of the people using it vs LLMP. Fewer people in the LL would be nice.

This'd be fine if you're someone who can tolerate standing in a long line, however, I travel with someone who absolutely cannot do that. And since we go to WDW more than once every 5 years, the PP is way out of our price range.

We were at WDW after they reopened and there was no FP or Genie or whatever. Some of the standby lines were prohibitively long.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Unlimited rides would be a disaster. Imagine the lines for Tron, Tiana, Guardian's etc. if people could ride over and over, whenever they want. Needs to remain one ride only, especially since all resort guests can buy it now.

I think people try to think like this but fail to realize other parks do perfectly fine with re-rides and yes in an unlimited way. I know the rebuttal will be something like "but it's Disney with their attendance..." okay yeah no. Also people are thinking about it from the context of expectation of extremely low waits and that interacts with their viewpoint on whether something would or wouldn't work.

What does make it more of a bind for Disney is having multiple products going simultaneously because they are trying to have capacity for people who are doing LLSP and LLMP as well as LLPP as well as DAS, VIP, recovery LL passes, etc. A removal of LLSP and LLMP would probably go a long way to alleviating issues in allocating hourly capacity.

The price point will act as a temper in how many people purchase but we are not privy to what amount they are selling for LLPP nor LLSP nor LLMP.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

And since we go to WDW more than once every 5 years, the PP is way out of our price range.

I would probably argue that the fact that you're able to go more than once in that timeframe means something that you may not think about in terms of speaking about price range. It's your money absolutely but being able to go to Disney more than once in your lifetime well yeah..

 

[KatieCharlotte]

Unlimited rides would be a disaster. Imagine the lines for Tron, Tiana, Guardian's etc. if people could ride over and over, whenever they want. Needs to remain one ride only, especially since all resort guests can buy it now.

I think people try to think like this but fail to realize other parks do perfectly fine with re-rides and yes in an unlimited way. I know the rebuttal will be something like "but it's Disney with their attendance..." okay yeah no. Also people are thinking about it from the context of expectation of extremely low waits and that interacts with their viewpoint on whether something would or wouldn't work.

What does make it more of a bind for Disney is having multiple products going simultaneously because they are trying to have capacity for people who are doing LLSP and LLMP as well as LLPP as well as DAS, VIP, recovery LL passes, etc. A removal of LLSP and LLMP would probably go a long way to alleviating issues in allocating hourly capacity.

The price point will act as a temper in how many people purchase but we are not privy to what amount they are selling for LLPP nor LLSP nor LLMP.

As a Universal fan, I will say that unlimited express works when there are a limited number available (with only three deluxe resorts) and when the absolutely most popular rides do not have express at all until the demand slows down. It probably would be a disaster to allow unlimited LL when something is brand new and extremely popular, whether at Universal or Disney. Perhaps an unlimited LL option that does not apply to those rides would be feasible, but it's always a balancing act.

What would increase the value for me would be to extend it to park hopping instead. But I'd still most like to purchase it 14+ days out, because the entire point is less stress.

 

[NashvilleMama]

As a Universal fan, I will say that unlimited express works when there are a limited number available (with only three deluxe resorts) and when the absolutely most popular rides do not have express at all until the demand slows down. It probably would be a disaster to allow unlimited LL when something is brand new and extremely popular, whether at Universal or Disney. Perhaps an unlimited LL option that does not apply to those rides would be feasible, but it's always a balancing act.

What would increase the value for me would be to extend it to park hopping instead. But I'd still most like to purchase it 14+ days out, because the entire point is less stress.

agreed, I could see being able to park hop as tipping me into the camp of doing this during super busy visit times...but that's probably exactly when they can't make the math work on the queues so....

 

[melissa70]

I’m so stressed! I’m ready to cancel my trip I really wanted the LLPPs for Christmas week as I’m sure everyone else does and now it’s a race.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

As a Universal fan, I will say that unlimited express works when there are a limited number available (with only three deluxe resorts) and when the absolutely most popular rides do not have express at all until the demand slows down. It probably would be a disaster to allow unlimited LL when something is brand new and extremely popular, whether at Universal or Disney. Perhaps an unlimited LL option that does not apply to those rides would be feasible, but it's always a balancing act.

What would increase the value for me would be to extend it to park hopping instead. But I'd still most like to purchase it 14+ days out, because the entire point is less stress.

1) I wasn't just talking about Universal, other parks do it as well

2) At Universal any guest can purchase their product, it is only provided as part of the hotel stay for those three resorts but it is not restricted to those three resorts. This means on any given day you could have more guests over at Universal with their Express Pass once through or Unlimited than Disney has with their LLPP. Again we don't know the numbers but you have to look at the whole picture here. At Universal their EP does sell out in capacity (though not super common) and it's long been the case that they have a cap on the number of passes allowed on any given day.

3) I can't say that it would or wouldn't be a disaster but your way of thinking (respectfully) is what I was talking about when it comes to how a lot of people view Disney on this Board. Truly Disney isn't as unique as we think it is. Other parks put restrictions on their product such as the newest attraction either isn't included or it's limited to once through even with an unlimited pass (such as Silver Dollar City) but just because a product is new doesn't mean it's the first rodeo here. Note that I'm speaking about the LLPP product itself I'm not trying to think about hypotheticals on just when Disney should do this or that just speaking towards the idea "this won't work because..." mentality.

Park hopping is already the case with DLR LLPP but agreed on park hopping for WDW which I'm guessing will come eventually just like an option was in place for Genie+.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I’m so stressed! I’m ready to cancel my trip I really wanted the LLPPs for Christmas week as I’m sure everyone else does and now it’s a race.

If they stick with this product for long enough I'm sure they can at least get a historical pattern down which will help them understand how many passes they could sell at a specific date in theory that could be used to push the date one could purchase out further but they'll need both time to figure out the pattern and actually stick with this product for a few years in order to be able to have the data to forward project attendance patterns and line interactions.

I think people do appreciate having less rigid planning with Disney now but would also appreciate at least being able to purchase something tied to their park visit a bit more in advance. I know if I had the flexibility to shift my dates a bit here and there because X was available then as opposed to unavailable I would be more inclined to do that. That said I find at least on this Board people do a lot of shifting on resort stays and I could see how too far in advance could make the LLPP product pricing and estimation of park operations impact a bit harder if people are on a more constant basis shifting their dates around.

 

[KatieCharlotte]

3) I can't say that it would or wouldn't be a disaster but your way of thinking (respectfully) is what I was talking about when it comes to how a lot of people view Disney on this Board. Truly Disney isn't as unique as we think it is. Other parks put restrictions on their product such as the newest attraction either isn't included or it's limited to once through even with an unlimited pass (such as Silver Dollar City) but just because a product is new doesn't mean it's the first rodeo here. Note that I'm speaking about the LLPP product itself I'm not trying to think about hypotheticals on just when Disney should do this or that just speaking towards the idea "this won't work because..." mentality.

Park hopping is already the case with DLR LLPP but agreed on park hopping for WDW which I'm guessing will come eventually just like an option was in place for Genie+.

I'm actually trying hard to be fair to Disney. I used to be a devoted Disney fan and I was very good at maximizing the paper FP system, but over the past six years, I have gone to Universal many times and definitely prefer it. I'm staying at a deluxe resort at Universal within a short walking distance of the parks, with unlimited express, club level, for an $340/night annual pass rate. And my annual pass with blackout dates will cost $425. I am going multiple times before Epic opens, because I like the product just as it is. But I do find convincing the arguments that an unlimited LL at Disney would have different consequences. It might be feasible if, like Universal, it excluded the most popular, newest rides.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'm actually trying hard to be fair to Disney. I used to be a devoted Disney fan and I was very good at maximizing the paper FP system, but over the past six years, I have gone to Universal many times and definitely prefer it. I'm staying at a deluxe resort at Universal within a short walking distance of the parks, with unlimited express, club level, for an $340/night annual pass rate. And my annual pass with blackout dates will cost $425. I am going multiple times before Epic opens, because I like the product just as it is. But I do find convincing the arguments that an unlimited LL at Disney would have different consequences. It might be feasible if, like Universal, it excluded the most popular, newest rides.

That's a great rate!

The PP mentioned "...Needs to remain one ride only, especially since all resort guests can buy it now." That's not considering all the other theme and amusement parks who allow whomever to purchase their product and are still functioning parks. To look at Universal's attendance which is also creeping up there using 2023 figures that I could find IOA having more than AK, Studios having more than AK. IOA having just a smidgen less than DHS, Studios same a smidgen less than DHS. And this is with the option of having park to park Express Pass. Epcot had a little under 2 million more guests than IOA and a little more than 2.3 million guests more than Studios. MK is as to be expected more but the gap is way different than pre-pandemic. We know Disney is throttling their attendance and doesn't plan to go back to pre-pandemic ways of rules surrounding attendance so I would expect other parks to catch up or be even more than Disney depending on how things work out in the next few years with travel patterns and investments other parks are making (this includes the now merged Six Flags larger company which has planned investments announced, Silver Dollar City, obviously Epic Universe and more companies).

I definitely don't disagree that each park (includes not just Universal) has differences because their parks are different and they have a bit differing rules (Disney doesn't like to allow an attraction to just be completely standby for example) but opening it up to more people is not a case for "imagine the lines" type situation just because more people have access to it.

 

[Sheryl2059]

Half the reason I take a trip to WDW is to chill so they have been 7+ days (including check in/out). Hence the 'resort' part with the four parks and their attractions within it. Universal on the surface as an option just doesnt portray the same vibe for me. Instead more of a 3-days and out after Epic opens. But no way to know for sure without experiencing it for myself, perhaps around next October. As others have said, price is becoming a greater factor though. WDW is a pretty expensive place already to spend your time just chilling. This past vacation time Hawaii was an option I looked at.... considering the WDW cost would have been fairly close to it.

 

[Dave006]

And, their plan is working LLPP had 4 sell out dates yesterday and now already has 6 -
Nov 25 - MK, DHS
Nov 26 - MK
Nov 27 - MK
Nov 28 - MK, DHS

Now tomorrow Nov. 23 is sold at at MK.

Dave