Link: NO's Hurricane Emergency Plan

[Geoff_M]

I don't know if this has been posted here before, but I just saw this elsewhere and thought that people here that are interested in trying to sort things out might like to see it. If you read it, it'll generate a lot of questions. For starters, the Super Dome wasn't one of approved shelters...

http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26

 

[julia & nicks mom]

I don't know if this has been posted here before, but I just saw this elsewhere and thought that people here that are interested in trying to sort things out might like to see it. If you read it, it'll generate a lot of questions. For starters, the Super Dome wasn't one of approved shelters...

http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26

That is very interesting!!

Especially if you notice that in there - they have laid out EXACTLY who should be providing basic necessities immediatley following a disaster and it's not the federal government!!!!

Feeding and food and supply distribution sites shall be established following a disaster in geographically distributed sites across the Parish. Feeding sites shall be established by ESF?6, Mass Care, in conjunction with ESF?11, Food and Water. The Southeast Louisiana Chapter of the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army shall provide the lead in establishing and operating these sites. The Second Harvest Food Bank shall provide leadership in the acquiring and distribution of food and water. ESF?15, Volunteers and Donations, shall direct outside resources to the appropriate sites where these volunteer services can best be used. Temporary living areas shall be established when possible on city owned property. ESF?7, Resource Support, shall assist in the location and acquisition of non city owned property. The New Orleans Housing Authority shall be called upon to assist with public housing for the temporarily displaced.

 

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

Thanks for the link. Very interesting...

 

[LuvN~Travel]

Of course I really liked the bit at the bottom about 'imprudent building'. Duh, I think most of that city would be considered imprudently built!
But, looking at the approved locales for shelter, they were approved for hurricanes, but were they approved for floods? How many of those shelters are now under water?
Kim

 

[karebear1]

Has anyone else noticed that the information on this site has changed??? Or is it my imagination????
When I read this almost a week ago, most of their plans were incomplete. They talked about knowing that over 100,000 people would be unable to evacuate the city and they had on their list of things to do, making plans to evacuate these people. I'm not even seeing this stuff now.

 

[bsnyder]

Along these same lines, please, someone tell me there's a logical explaination for this...

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...urricane+evacuation+and+sheltering+plan&hl=en

This is a link to the State of Louisiana EOP. The date of the last revision?

Revised January 2000.

Surely that has got to be a mistake?

 

[LoraJ]

That is very interesting!!

Especially if you notice that in there - they have laid out EXACTLY who should be providing basic necessities immediatley following a disaster and it's not the federal government!!!!

So, when the local government saw that they were in over their heads since it was too overwhelming for them, you find it justifiable for the Feds to take so long to come in and all those people die because of what is said in the evacuation plan?

 

[bsnyder]

So, when the local government saw that they were in over their heads since it was too overwhelming for them, you find it justifiable for the Feds to take so long to come in and all those people die because of what is said in the evacuation plan?

I think what we're going to find out eventually is that the people died because the LA Governor wanted to evacuate people out of the Superdome and the Convention Center, that she made the decision not to let the Red Cross and the Salvation Army bring food and water in, because it would encourage people to stay and attract more people that would have to be evacuated.

FEMA relies on the Red Cross to provide the food and water supplies in these types of emergencies. So by blocking the Red Cross, Blanco was blocking FEMA.

This will be a major story in the coming days.

 

[karebear1]

Along these same lines, please, someone tell me there's a logical explaination for this...

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...urricane+evacuation+and+sheltering+plan&hl=en

This is a link to the State of Louisiana EOP. The date of the last revision?

Revised January 2000.

Surely that has got to be a mistake?

This document is quite interesting, even if it is old. Even the states plan calls for evacuating people with mobility issues. It appears as though the outline of the plan is good, but I wonder if they completed and practiced the plans. This particular document is for the state of LA. I suspect that the city of New Orleans was responsible for planning the details for their own city and I don't think they had the SPECIFIC details planned. I know through reading what was on their website last week, that there were many things on that list that appeared to be in the planning stages.

 

[HaleyB]

Saturday, August 27

GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor]

5AM CDT — KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: “I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.” [Office of the Governor]

FEDERAL EMERGENCY DECLARED, DHS AND FEMA GIVEN FULL AUTHORITY TO RESPOND TO KATRINA: “Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency.” [White House]

 

[ThAnswr]

I don't know if this has been posted here before, but I just saw this elsewhere and thought that people here that are interested in trying to sort things out might like to see it. If you read it, it'll generate a lot of questions. For starters, the Super Dome wasn't one of approved shelters...

http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26

No kidding!

Btw, can you also find a link to Homeland Security's evacuation plan in case of a terrorist attack that bombed the levees, cut off communications, cut off exit/entrance routes into a city, etc.

I want to know if I got my money's worth of my share of the 22 billion dollars Homeland Security has already spent.

 

[ThAnswr]

I think what we're going to find out eventually is that the people died because the LA Governor wanted to evacuate people out of the Superdome and the Convention Center, that she made the decision not to let the Red Cross and the Salvation Army bring food and water in, because it would encourage people to stay and attract more people that would have to be evacuated.

FEMA relies on the Red Cross to provide the food and water supplies in these types of emergencies. So by blocking the Red Cross, Blanco was blocking FEMA.

This will be a major story in the coming days.

That's what you wish will happen. Blame will be shared by all the elected officials from Nagin to Bush and his appointees. No one covered themselves with glory.

However, this is the major story.

In the 4 years since 9/11 and 22 billion dollars spent on Homeland Security, the US is not prepared. This disaster could've easily been a terrorist attack. And this country is not prepared and that is Bush's responsiblity and Bush's legacy.

That is the major story, not what a minor player like Nagin did or didn't do.

 

[karebear1]

Saturday, August 27

GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor]

5AM CDT — KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: “I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.” [Office of the Governor]

FEDERAL EMERGENCY DECLARED, DHS AND FEMA GIVEN FULL AUTHORITY TO RESPOND TO KATRINA: “Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency.” [White House]

From the FEMA website:

"Response and Recovery

First Response to a disaster is the job of local government's emergency services with help from nearby municipalities, the state and volunteer agencies. In a catastrophic disaster, and if the governor requests, federal resources can be mobilized through theU.S. Department of Homeland Security's Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for search and rescue, electrical power, food, water, shelter and other basic human needs."


"The Major Disaster Process

A Major Disaster Declaration usually follows these steps:

Local Government Responds, supplemented by neighboring communities and volunteer agencies. If overwhelmed, turn to the state for assistance;


The State Responds with state resources, such as the National Guard and state agencies;


Damage Assessment by local, state, federal, and volunteer organizations determines losses and recovery needs;


A Major Disaster Declaration is requested by the governor, based on the damage assessment, and an agreement to commit state funds and resources to the long-term recovery;


FEMA Evaluates the request and recommends action to the White House based on the disaster, the local community and the state's ability to recover;


The President approves the request or FEMA informs the governor it has been denied. This decision process could take a few hours or several weeks depending on the nature of the disaster."

FYI- this website was lated updated April 2005

 

[peachgirl]

I think what we're going to find out eventually is that the people died because the LA Governor wanted to evacuate people out of the Superdome and the Convention Center, that she made the decision not to let the Red Cross and the Salvation Army bring food and water in, because it would encourage people to stay and attract more people that would have to be evacuated.

If that were true, you still wouldn't have anything, but yet again here is the truth right out of the mouth of the head of the Red Cross:

MARTY EVANS, RED CROSS PRESIDENT AND CEO: Well, Larry, when the storm came our goal was prior to landfall to support the evacuation. It was unsafe to be in the city. We were asked by the city not to be there and the Superdome was made a shelter of last resorts and, quite frankly in retrospect, it was a good idea because otherwise those people would have had no shelter at all.

We have our shelters north of the city. We're prepared as soon as they can be evacuated, we're prepared to receive them in Texas, in other states, but it was not safe to be in the city and it's not been safe to go back into the city. They were also concerned that if we located, relocated back into the city people wouldn't leave and they've got to leave.

Well, Larry, we were asked, directed by the National Guard and the city and the state emergency management not to go into New Orleans because it was not safe. We are not a search and rescue organization. We provide shelter and basic support and so we were depending, we are depending on the state and the agencies to get people to our shelters in safe places.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI.../02/lkl.01.html

However, this is the major story.

In the 4 years since 9/11 and 22 billion dollars spent on Homeland Security, the US is not prepared. This disaster could've easily been a terrorist attack. And this country is not prepared and that is Bush's responsiblity and Bush's legacy.

That is the major story, not what a minor player like Nagin did or didn't do.

Exactly right..What the locals did or didn't do is important to the citizens of LA. The concern for the country is what Bu$h and his cronies did or more accurately, didn't do.

 

[DawnCt1]

Exactly right..What the locals did or didn't do is important to the citizens of LA. The concern for the country is what Bu$h and his cronies did or more accurately, didn't do.

Well no, "not exactly". What the local and state officials didn't do comes home to roost on the rest of the country. They had a job to do, they didn't do it. They waited for the feds to do the work of local government. Maybe I should expect the EPA to pick up my trash on Wednesdays.

 

[totalia]

That's what you wish will happen. Blame will be shared by all the elected officials from Nagin to Bush and his appointees. No one covered themselves with glory.

However, this is the major story.

In the 4 years since 9/11 and 22 billion dollars spent on Homeland Security, the US is not prepared. This disaster could've easily been a terrorist attack. And this country is not prepared and that is Bush's responsiblity and Bush's legacy.

That is the major story, not what a minor player like Nagin did or didn't do.

EXACTLY.

Makes me wonder, if their books were audited, would they find a $6000 toilet seat in there somewhere? What was all the money spent on?

 

[totalia]

Did you miss the part where they had emergency shelters set up and provided three days of food and water? Or perhaps you missed the part where they declared a mandatory evacuation of the city?

Or perhaps you missed the part where they knew how bad this was going to be because you CANNOT force people from their homes and asked for help in advance because they knew that fact?