Line cutters, EVCs, tour groups?!?

[Daisy1980]

Wow As a newbie I've read through many posts to learn about our first trip to WDW. Now I'm afraid to take my family to the parks. (JK) But are the line cutters that bad? Are there really all these fat people bowling people over in there scooters? Do Brazilian tour groups dominate a ride? Do those obese people rent those scooters just so they don't have to walk like everyone else?

Oh well, we're staying positive and going to luv our trip! Thanks for all your great tips!

 

[PlutoLuvr]

It's all in your view. I've been to WDW more times than I can remember, and this stuff just doesn't bother me. If a tour group dominates a ride, then it will be your turn next. I mean, we're talking about a matter of seconds or minutes. Tour groups are paying customers just like me, whether Brazilian, Asian, American or just a massive family meeting for a grand gathering. I'm sure you want to be able to enjoy the rides together with your group. Why shouldn't they?

Who cares if someone uses a scooter? Like anywhere else, watch where you're going so you don't bump into someone or be prepared to jump out of the way if someone doesn't see you.

Line cutters? I honestly don't remember feeling like someone ever "cut" in front of me. If it's happened, it just didn't make a big enough impression on me to remember it months or years later. However, after reading these boards, some feel that if a woman and child are in front of them in a line and the dad joins them after a few minutes, that's cutting. If I'm in a line for an extra couple of minutes because of something like this, well, heck, this is more time for me to find a hidden mickey.

You'll have a wonderful time. Just concentrate on you and your family having fun, not why someone is in a scooter or a large group who wants to be able to go on Kali River Rapids in the same raft. You'll be in the next group.

 

[GrumpyC.Hook]

Most of the time Line Cutters are just a family memeber who might have gotten seperated when entering the ride and just wants to catch up to their family member or a mom or dad who had to take their child to the restroom for that unplanned "i gotta go" moment. I never saw it as being too bad and most people apologized for having to push by me but so what if one person gets in front of me I'll still get to see it and i'm on vacation i'm not there to be Line police.

The people who make comments about "fat" people and ECV's are just insensitive to other's disabilities since they haven't walked in that persons shoes to generalize that all fat people are lazy and just rent ECV's to not have to walk is just ignorant. People do have hidden disabilities and others have taken medications that cause them to gain weight its not their fault. *stepping off soap box*

Both of these situations takes a "i'm on vacation with MY family and I will only worry about MY family" kinda of attitude if you focus on everyone else every little thing will bother you. Some people just pay too much attention to others that the miss out on making memories of their own family. Then feel the need to rant here about the "horrible things" that happened. NOne of which was about them just others.

Now the Brazillian Tour groups I will give you can tend to be very rude they are young teenagers and preteens who like to pretend they know no english and do push in front of people. But again if you just focus on your family and just not let it bother you you will be fine. THey generally are in the parks in July/August.

 

[Starrin]

The only thing I can say about line cutters is that when someone makes an effort to point one out .... the rest of the line should back the individual up.

Last March DW and her friend were in a very long line to see Turtle Talk - I was not going to go in so I took DD around to see the fish while the line shrunk and our friend was holding a spot for DS.

Evidently a lady in her mid-20s and here husband much older ... just strolled up towards the front of the line while it was moving (obviously they waited for this) and ducked under the strap-railing and cut in line. Well DW sees this and is shocked that anyone could be so inconsiderate ... so after talking about it with her friend (you know, essentially saying if they had kids I might let is slide) - she decided to ask this person what she thought she was doing.

So she politely asked if someone was saving her spot. This lady immediately acted like she did not speak English - but DW just heard her speaking English to her boyfriend/husband. So she called her out. And essentially told her that she thought it was not right for her to cut in front of everyone else - then the lady said - "whatever bit##"

So DW's mouth hit the floor - and her friend started backing her up and said "seriously I think the mature thing to do is go to the end of the line" - she turned her back and started getting affectionate with her boyfriend/husband. All this time - not a single person in that line, stepped up to the plate and said "I agree, I don't think it is fair too all these people that you just cut up in front". It was not like it was a shouting match.

So it is time to go into Turtle Talk and this couple sits down for literally 2 minutes into the show and says "This is it?" ... and they get up and leave.

We are about as easy going of a family as it gets ... but some times you will see people do something and it will just make you think enough is enough and confront. DW did this - and I really wish others would have backed her up. I think people do this because they know they will get away with it.

After this experience - I thought to myself - I need to find a way to embarras people that do this - but it would take the whole line to do it. Like create a type of chant - that when it happens everyone knows what is going on.

 

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

We have been to Disney 3 times in the past 2 years and I have not really been bothered by any of those things. (Now my Decmeber trip will be plagued with them since I said that!)

I can't recall ever having anybody cut in line except in places like theaters and bus stops where there ISN'T an actual line - it is a mob that surges forward and funnels everybody in.

We hardly even saw any scooters on our most recent trip. They certainly didn't bother us.

The Brazilian tour groups frighten me, but I think they are really only there in huge numbers in July. We saw a couple of groups in January and I was very nervous, but we saw them at Great Movie ride first thing in the morning and we didn't see them again until Fantasmic. They were completely across the amphitheater from us so they were too far away to annoy us.

Be aware that sometimes things happen, but most of the time they don't. If it was really horrible all the time then none of us would ever go back.

 

[schlepsnort]

I've read all of the threads also in regards to tour groups, line cutting, heely wearing, public urination, and people demanding your spot for the parade/fireworks. It can be downright depressing reading about all those people being in the Happiest Place on Earth.

So last night I had a thought. That turned into a plan. I think if enough of us did this it would make quite the visual impact!

The plan:

Purchase a lime green t-shirt.
Using print and iron on papers create the following list on your word processor:

NO you may not cut in front of me in line-wait your turn like everyone else!
NO you may not have my spot for the parade/fireworks, next time stake your spot out early like everyone else!
NO you may not go potty anywhere else other than the restrooms!
NO you may not wear the wheel in your Heely's and glide around unsuspecting patrons.
I don't CARE if you share your food on the Dining Plan, just don't touch my food!
I don't CARE what your reason is for renting an ECV, please just don't run me or my family over with it.

A stroller is a mode of transportation, not a weapon.

We are in the Happiest Place on Earth, be HAPPY DANG IT!!

Then we should put that on the back of the shirt and wear it to the parks. A little written reminder to people to mind their manners and respect those around them.

And btw, for the Halloween party, an orange t-shirt with a very simple saying on the back: "I bought a ticket to enjoy this party...did you?"

Ahh but that goes back to a thread that I believe was locked.

All in all we plan on not caring what other people are doing as long as it doesn't directly endanger ourselves or our children. I do not care who has an ECV or why. If someone cuts in line, yes I may speak up but as another poster said, it'd help to have back up from the rest of the line.

Just go and have fun, respect those around you, show some love for the CMs who have to put up with the general public day in, day out. And have a magical vacation!

 

[QueenGoblin]

I gotta say it makes me very sad to hear such negative sentiments thrown around about "fat" or "obese" people. An inconsiderate person using a scooter is an inconsiderate person, regardless of age, weight, sex, hair color. It is not up to me to judge whether they deserve to have a scooter or not, and I certainly cannot make assumptions about whether they are just "lazy" based on the way they look. And just because you see one person, who happens to be heavy "bowling" people over in a scooter is no reason to assume 1. they don't need the scooter and 2. the fact that they are being inconsiderate with their scooter is somehow related to their BMI. I don't mean to flame the OP. He/she is just responding to a whole string of threads that have appeared here over the last few days/weeks that make it sound like there is a mutant race of fat humanoid creatures who have taken up scooter bowling as a passtime. I guess I just reached my .
All that being said, in response to the OP's question we were in WDW in May of 05 and did not notice line cutting or tour groups causing a problem and we don't anticipate having problems during our trip in Sept. Does it happen, could it happen, sure! But if you read the UG they tell you how long the wait is per 100 people in front of you...usually it is only a couple of minutes...per 100 people! Sure it is annoying when someone cuts, and they shouldn't get away with it, and other people in line should feel free to express their displeasure, but when it comes down to it, it isn't going to make that much difference in your total waiting time. So if it happens and you can't stop it and the CM won't help, don't come to fisticuffs over it or let it ruin your trip. We don't want to see reports of "line rage" on the news
Hope everyone has an awesome trip!

 

[tinawv]

We were in WDW in 2000 at Epcot when a man came from behind me in a ECV and said "watch out lady; you should really watch for people in ECVs". Like I had eyes in the back of my head. My husband told him that no you need to learn how to drive that thing and to be a little more courteous. The man just shook his head and took off. There are rude people on feet and on wheels. Rudeness doesn't discriminate.

 

[QueenGoblin]

There are rude people on feet and on wheels. Rudeness doesn't discriminate.

You said it in many fewer words than I managed! ITA!

 

[KittyKitty]

You will love WDW. And will have a wonderful time.

If you are going during a busy time, you will see more of the tours,evcs. Only cutting I saw in my 16 trips are ppl trying to get together with their group, or ppl who don't know where the line starts. And it has been far and few between. I assume the person in the wheelchair needs it. I can't even remember when I last saw a tour group.

So don't worry about it.

Have a great time!

 

[tomerin]

in all of our trips to wdw and the countless times we have waited on line for one thing or another i can only rmemeber maybe 2 times where the brazilian tour groups or line cutters cause any problems for us. this is pretty good considering we always travel during peak times, around july 4th.

the first time we were getting on Primeval whril and all of a suddenly the tour group leader signals and all of a sudden 30 kids run up and try to get in front of us. while the tour guide was trying to sort all of the fastpasses out i called to the cm to let us on that this isnt really fair, he motioned to us to hold on but what happened next was a bit of poetic justice, the fastpasses werent for that ride. they were for Dinosaur. wrong prehistoric ride. the cm assured me that he wasnt going to make us wait for the entire group to load. all in all the tour groups can be interesting to watch.

the second time was on TT. a father was pushing his son ahead of him telling him to move up. i was facing my brother looking in his direction when i saw this happening. others in line were calling to him and he just ignored them. well we saw this and i stepped in front of him and asked him what he was doing. he said there were people up front for him. i asked him where and he wouldnt look at me or shpw me where they were so i politely told him that if each and every person in line gave him permission to cut in front of them it would be ok but he wasnt going ahead of us. well others then shouted to him to go to the back of the line and needless to say he did.

sometimes you get in that que line bottleneck and someone may go ahead of you but hey that happens, cant help it but usually everybody somehow always winds up together anyway. i have gotten seperated and have never had a problem getting back to my group.

i am not going to let anything ruin my WDW trip. these incidents are far and few between


now smokers...well thats another story

 

[TenThousandVolts]

I have been to WDW many, many times and have always had a great time. On a couple of occasions I have been bumped into by a stroller. And I have seen people leave the line to take their little ones to the potty and then get back in with their party. I couldn't care less about either. IMO people are generally nicer, more polite, and friendlier at WDW than any other place where mass crowds gather.
You will have a great time!

 

[MouseFaninQueue]

Bottom line it with my take on it ...

Don't worry ... be happy.

I'm sure that these things have all happened during my trips to the "Land" and the "World", but after all was said and done I hardly remember them.

I do remember however, proposing to my wife in front of Mickey Mouse in WDW. The look on my daughter's face when we arrived at Disneyland. My youngest daughter's face when we rode the teacups. My eldest daughter screaming on the roller coaster rides "because that's what you do". My sister (30) crying her eyes out on ToT while my daughter (3 at the time) was laughing and screaming ("Auntie Tammy didn't scream enough that's why she was scared"). The sheer look of awe in my daughter's eyes when she met Mickey Mouse for the first time. And of course the look on my wife's face when we went through the gates for the first time as a family and hopped on board the train as our first ride in Disneyland (our ritual).

The good times FAR outweigh the bad times. And the "bad" times are only "bad" if you let them be. I choose not to ...

 

[RIDisneyFan]

I always read about people in ECV's or wheelchairs running people over, but what about the other side of the story? My DH uses a wheelchair, and one time we did rent an EVC at Disneyland (No, he's not obese or overweight - he has multiple sclerosis and can't walk long distances). He has never run anyone over or hit anyone with his chair, but there have been several close calls because of people cutting right in front of him. The people who cut in front of him and then stop to read their park map bug me the most. I can just walk around them; it's a little harder for him to manuever around them. I realize he might be harder to see because he's lower to the ground - I just wish some people would pay a little more attention to where they're walking.

 

[Mickey1122]

I've read all of the threads also in regards to tour groups, line cutting, heely wearing, public urination, and people demanding your spot for the parade/fireworks. It can be downright depressing reading about all those people being in the Happiest Place on Earth.

So last night I had a thought. That turned into a plan. I think if enough of us did this it would make quite the visual impact!

The plan:

Purchase a lime green t-shirt.
Using print and iron on papers create the following list on your word processor:

NO you may not cut in front of me in line-wait your turn like everyone else!
NO you may not have my spot for the parade/fireworks, next time stake your spot out early like everyone else!
NO you may not go potty anywhere else other than the restrooms!
NO you may not wear the wheel in your Heely's and glide around unsuspecting patrons.
I don't CARE if you share your food on the Dining Plan, just don't touch my food!
I don't CARE what your reason is for renting an ECV, please just don't run me or my family over with it.

A stroller is a mode of transportation, not a weapon.

We are in the Happiest Place on Earth, be HAPPY DANG IT!!

Then we should put that on the back of the shirt and wear it to the parks. A little written reminder to people to mind their manners and respect those around them.

And btw, for the Halloween party, an orange t-shirt with a very simple saying on the back: "I bought a ticket to enjoy this party...did you?"

Ahh but that goes back to a thread that I believe was locked.

All in all we plan on not caring what other people are doing as long as it doesn't directly endanger ourselves or our children. I do not care who has an ECV or why. If someone cuts in line, yes I may speak up but as another poster said, it'd help to have back up from the rest of the line.

Just go and have fun, respect those around you, show some love for the CMs who have to put up with the general public day in, day out. And have a magical vacation!

That's great. The Halloween bit is the best, and the stir/pot thing is a great touch. Sadly, we encounter lots of jerks at WDW, but try not to let them bother us. Again, this is hilarious.

 

[the Fidge]

What I like to teach my son is patience. All good things come to those who wait! I do not care if someone cuts me, yes its rude but heck if you have to throw all manner of common sense out the window hten go ahead I like high ground! Much drier too! My son was fuming since we had been waiting a long time for a ride, I reminded him to just remember you could be in school taking a math test what would you rather?? SO he gritted his teeth and agreed!

WEll, since those people cut him off , he ended up right up front in the first car! I reminded him that wasn't that better? Well the girl said to let our car go ahead, some type of conufsion and what do you think? We had the ride to ourselves! He was over the moon! I reminded him again see, would that have happened had you not ignored those rude folks?? Grunting he agreed!!! lol

We were cut off by a group into the Lion King show, no biggie but it was already packed and we were running late. I informed my DS no worry we can come back. Then out of no where a CM took me by the hand and said come with me, it was upfront in the handicapped bench I pointed that out she said thats ok we are full now and no more folks that need it! What a delight, the people behind us spent more time complaining how e had no disability and had gotten there 2 hours before nad the nerve we had! I leaned over to my son and asked him how did that sound kid you not they did not let up for one second!

I turned around and politely asked if she would like to exchange seats? No problem for this family we would be only to happy to! She declined I think she enjoyed complaining more thatn viewing the show! Crazy!

 

[Daisy1980]

What a great group! Thanks for all your help!

 

[Ashlind2]

In response to the scooter debate. IMHO there are only a few people out there abusing the situation giving some a negative opinion. For example, I was a Wal-Mart today and saw a 20-something girl on a scooter filling water jugs at the machine, thought nothing of it. Until..another girl motored up on a scooter and said to the other, "You riding on one of these things too." The first responds, "Yea, I got to rest my legs so I can get my pary on tonight." To which the other responds, "Me too."

 

[Figment's friends]

At first I thought this was one of those joke threads ment to get everyone all riled up. I WAS initially offended by the OP. Rude happens, when you get soooo many different people with different objective's (many of these people who are not as well informed as I like to think of us DISers as being) All in one place -rude will certainly happen. There is no one group of rude people- no labels on them, not ECVers or Brazilians or whatever else.

At Disney just like everywhere else in the world you will find the occasional rude person.

Don't be that person.... and I'm sure you will have a great vacation.

 

[n2mm]

We were in WDW in 2000 at Epcot when a man came from behind me in a ECV and said "watch out lady; you should really watch for people in ECVs". Like I had eyes in the back of my head. My husband told him that no you need to learn how to drive that thing and to be a little more courteous. The man just shook his head and took off. There are rude people on feet and on wheels. Rudeness doesn't discriminate.

Well said! I went to WDW 6 weeks after back surgery in early May this year and my family kept trying to get me to rent a ECV, but I won't do it. Walking is such good excercise, though I moved slower than usual and had to avoid alot of my favorite rides, I felt lucky that all went well and I didn't have to cancel my trip (BTW--the safari ride is not fun after back surgery, as I found out the hard way). Since I didn't wear a shirt that said, back surgery last month on it, I just sucked it up, I wasn't comfortable about using a wheel chair or ECV. You can imgine how I felt when folks using ECV would roll up behind me and get PO'd at me because I wasn't moving fast enough--made me wonder which of us really should have been on the ECV--but I refused to pass judgement, as I am aware that there are hidden ailments, but do believe there are many folks using ECV that are just lazy, which gives the folks needing them a bad rep.