Large group with special needs. Looking for helpful hints.

Sarah4650

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Hi, I am staff at a camp for children and adults with disabilities. The first week of Dec. we are taking 38 adults to disney world for 5 nights. We will have clients with physical disabilities, visual impairments, hearing impairments and a variety of cognitive disabilities.

We have been in contact with Disney about special accommodations for our group. We are 1:3 staff to client and travel in groups of 6 clients 2 staff.

I am looking for helpful hints that might be good to know. I am a frequent Disney visitor but this getting to see how accessible the parts and resorts really are.

Also we want to dine together once a day. Hints for this.

We will be staying at All star sports
with the Deluxe dining plan.
our magical gathering will be the Fanstasmic evening.

thanks
Sarah
 
Dining together: eat at off-times. Lunch at 11 or 11:30, dinner at 3:30 or four, that kind of thing. Getting the first reservation at locations that close between meals is good, too - but you're already less than 90 days from arrival so this may be difficult. Have you contacted Grand Gatherings (the department) for help?
 
Arrange your groups by accommodations - and I don't mean the rooms, I mean by what assistance they will need (if any) to board attractions. For example, if some can't do stairs, keep those people together. If others need closed captioning, keep them together, etc. Otherwise, you may run into problems at the attractions, especially with such a large group.

I have no idea how you'd handle a group of 38 guests with individual GACs either...

And get your ADRs now!
 
If I am getting this correctly you will be a group of 38 but you are not trying to “stay together” consistently, but you will be “teams” of 6 that with the exception of your Fantamic night and your once a day gathering meals, will be separate or possibly join several “teams” together at certain times.

Since the needs of your clients are quite variable, if your staff has interest in WDW (which I would hope they would if they are guiding) I would suggest having them visit this board and look for threads related to specific needs of the individual they have responsibility for and then ask questions.

As for the dining you will need to make your reservations at the earliest possible date to have them accommodated (with 38) unless there is some way to work some private dining into the deluxe dining a (I have never heard of this being done but it is worth asking about).

bookwormde
 

My group has 38 clients plus staff for a total of 51 people.

are their any restaurants that we can all eat at if we have not already booked. I am not the leader of the group but I am worried we will have trouble with dining so Im encouraging him to get on the booking.

can to buffets accommodate us all at once or should we do our counter service together and book in our smaller groups 8 (6 clients 2 staff)
 
Most of the restraints are not particularly big so for 51 I would guess that there would likely be some time staggering (except for the ones with shows). You did not say what your time till visit is but virtually all the WDW table service restaurants have reservations needed to be sure you would get a table(s). CS is no problem but seems a waste of the expensive deluxe dining plan. Your “leader” needs to know that booking meals together (or even spread out at different times and restaurants) is a major project and needs to be done 3 or soon back to 6 months in advance to have the best possibilities (and chance).

bookwormde
 
Couldn't the people at Grand Gatherings help arrange the dining for them?
 
Not if the restaurants are already full, which some of them may be, as it sounds like the trip is in only two months! :scared1:

Sarah, get the leader on this forum ASAP, so he realizes that there's no way that he'll be able to book a restaurant for a seating of 51 unless he does it right now, and even then, it might not be possible if your trip is close to Christmas time. The closer to Christmas, the more crowded it's going to be.

Good luck!
 
Hi Sarah,

Something to keep in mind is that the rides and shows can only accommodate a fixed number of guests in wheelchairs at a time--at least, if they need to stay in their chairs because they are unable to transfer. For example, the safari ride in Animal Kingdom has special vehicles that allow someone in a wheelchair to wheel right on and have their chair tied down, but a given vehicle will only hold one wheelchair. Other members of your party who can transfer to seats could do so on the same vehicle, but if you have a lot of people on the trip who need to stay in their chairs, then you may have some logistical problems.

Another example is the Jungle Cruise in Magic Kingdom. As of the last time we went to WDW a couple of years ago, there was only one boat with a lift for a wheelchair, and that boat would only hold one wheelchair at a time. I believe there is also only one wheelchair ride vehicle for Buzz Lightyear, and it only holds one chair.

Even the buses running between the hotels and parks only hold a fixed number of chairs at a time--used to be two, but I think I read there are some newer buses that hold more.

You might consider having your various groups of six not all go to the same park the same day in order to avoid bottlenecks with both the rides and transportation--at least if you have a significant number of the 36 who use wheelchairs.

Best of luck with the trip.
 
Hey there! Firstly, I'm seconding (or thirding, or fourthing) most of the stuff that's already been said - Get your ADRs booked as soon as possible; try and get as many of your staff on this board as possible, so they can ask questions, etc.

On the dining front, you may find that the resorts are the best place to have your group meals, as the CS locations tend to be a lot bigger there than in the parks. Of course, this does mean giving up a TS meal for a CS one (I think - I've never done any of the DDPs before). As others have suggested, it might be good to talk to the Grand Gatherings department, as they'll be able to point you to the places that may be able to accomodate your group, and can even make your ADRs for you.

When you split up into groups, you may need to have groups with mixed abilities, and challenges. As Juliah says, some attractions only have space for one wheelchair user at a time, so if possible try not to have more than one person in each group who is unable to transfer. Also, you'll need to balance the support-requirements of each group - you can't have a party with four wheelchair users who need to be pushed, if you only have two staff members with them :scared1:! This said, you might want to stick to Schmeck's idea of building groups based on each person's requirements, as much as possible - those needing closed captioning together, those needing audio description together, etc.

For all of your clients with mobility issues, I would suggest you consider some form of wheelchair or scooter. Even if they are mobile enough to get around at home with a walker or cane, Disney takes a lot of walking, and they might need the extra assistance. I don't know exactly how you'd work this with transportation though, unless you rented from the parks each day.

For your clients with hearing impairments, Disney offers captioning or sign language interpretation for almost all shows and rides. Sign language interpretation isn't available at every show, all the time. Disney have a number of interpreters who move around between the parks and shows. You should be able to get better information on this from Guest Relations. The captioning is often done through a hand-held device, which can be picked up from Guest Relations at each park (you have to put down a refundable deposit for these, I'm not sure of the amount, though).

Disney have also recently brought out an Audio Description function, on the same device as the CC. This is still being rolled out, but you can find a review of the system as it currently stands in this thread.

If any of your clients have sensory issues, and get 'overloaded' by load noises or bright lights, you might want to consider taking earplugs or ear defenders with you. A lot of people here who have, or who's kids have, Autistic spectrum disorders find that these really help on noisy rides; in busy, loud crowds; or during firework shows. Even if you don't think any of your clients will have problems, it might be worth carrying a few pairs of foam earplugs in your pocket, just in case the whole experience causes an unexpected problem for them.

Question for the floor: Does anyone know if Disney have brought back their special buses, with 8 wheelchair places on them? If they have, these would be a huge help to you guys, but I know they were out of service a while back.

I hope some of this helps, and please do come back to ask any more questions you may have. :thumbsup2
 
First...What a WONDERFUL thing to do with your clients!

I would want an extra person in each group. I think you may need more people that you would normally need to go on a regular field trip.

Buy the book "Passporters Open Mouse"...this will be very handy for your group!

(I will add a link to it as soon as I can get my computer to cooperate! :))

I would separate your groups based on which of them are friends, of course, but I would also try to set up the groups so that the clients that need the most assistance are spread out. If possible, I would not put more than 2 clients that use wheelchairs together in a group. Not sure the make up of your group...if that would be possible?


Check out www.touringplans.com or Tour Guide Mike and make sure that your groups are going to least busy park (ie. recommended park). This will make a big difference for your touring.

I do planners for our Make a Wish children. If you are interested, I can do a planner for your group. Just PM me if you are interested and I can help with this. I don't charge for this at all.

Eating...Definitely call Grand Gatherings to set up ADR's for you guys. Make sure they know how many people will be using wheelchairs in each group, etc. You are probably going to need to separate the group for most meals to be able to be accommodated. Otherwise eating at OFF times will be essential to you guys. Eat early ... around 11:00 or so ... for Counter Service.

Try to stagger your departure so that there will be room for you guys on the bus with all of the wheelchairs. Many buses can only hold 2 wheelchairs (if the person can't transfer to a regular bus seat), which is another good reason to try to keep the groups mixed with ambulatory clients and clients who use wheelchairs.

Go to Guest Services as soon as you get to the parks and get a GAC for the people in your party so that your needs are met. Be prepared with a list of needs for each person in your group so that these can be met.

Be prepared to have staff stay back at the resort with any clients that are sick or tired. WDW is tiring for typical families and is exhausting for families with special needs. It has helped us to be able to release an adult to go back to the room with our guest with special needs.

Maybe you could even hire some people to help that live in the Orlando area? Or maybe get some to help by volunteering their time? Do you have a contact with a camp/hospital/assisted living facility in the Orlando area that may have some people that want to help your group? That may help.

Planning this must be complicated! Thank you for doing it! I think the benefits will far outweigh any potential kinks that come with planning such a grand gathering!
 














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