Kerry-Edwards trailing Bush by 15% in NC

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Galahad
Doesn't sound appreciably different.....

Wait - *gasp* - Galahad doesn't see a difference !!



Everybody that is shocked by that revelation, please raise your hand...



Weren't you the one claiming that Bush attributing the war in Iraq to 9/11 in a letter to congress wasn't the same as attributing the war in Iraq to 9/11 ?

 

[goudaman40]

First of all Peach - do not put words in my mouth about gays being an abominations - that was 8 ball - read grasshopper!

Second of all my comment about the poor is true - look at what we consider poverity level - how many of them have A/C - how many of them have cable - how many own a vehicle!

You need to look outside your little bubble and see how others live.

Look at our economic structure compared to other countries. In India you have the government telling you 100% what to do with your money, but here in the U.S. you have economic freedom. Our poor live better than Indias. India's poor is living in tin homes ontop of each other and don't know where their next meal is coming from. The U.S. poor has Habitat for Humanity, Welfare, churches, Salvation Army, etc.

 

[peachgirl]

do not put words in my mouth

Coming from you, that's a riot! It's not fair when someone claims you said something that you didn't, is it?

Second of all my comment about the poor is true - look at what we consider poverity level - how many of them have A/C - how many of them have cable - how many own a vehicle!

You're beyond ridiculous.

 

[faithinkarma]

Second of all my comment about the poor is true - look at what we consider poverity level - how many of them have A/C - how many of them have cable - how many own a vehicle!

words elude me

 

[peachgirl]

Since I cleared up one mis-quote, I'll clear up my own..

Your comments about gays?

I know Bush can't stop Gay marriages from happening; it's just that it seems like it's the new "in" thing.There are so many young people that want attention and choose to play the gay card to get the attention, then become bored with it and are suddenly straight.

To use someone elses phrase...


Doesn't sound appreciably different....

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Wait - *gasp* - Galahad doesn't see a difference !!



Everybody that is shocked by that revelation, please raise your hand...



Weren't you the one claiming that Bush attributing the war in Iraq to 9/11 in a letter to congress wasn't the same as attributing the war in Iraq to 9/11 ?

?? Each quote said taxes would go up, right? What else about it was important?

Also, no the above is not what I said, even remotely. If you want to go down that path again I will, but it probably is a bit far OT.

 

[wvrevy]

Time for a little education

Do these apparently-not-so-poor-after-all seem to be enjoying their HBO and "cable" ?
(Pics from North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and ???)

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
that was beneath you.

Why? I'm sorry, perhaps I've missed something. Senator Clinton made a speech and said that taxes if Democrats are elected that tax cuts should be repeal (the same as taxes being raised) for the common good. Why does it matter what the exact syntax was? Or am I agreeing with something I don't think I am. Very confused?

 

[AirForceRocks]

I don't like it when quotes are attributed to people that didn't make them, so I see peachgirl's point about that.

But for all of the Hillary fans out there, please explain something to me. What is the substantive difference between the incorrect quote and what she actually said? The verbage was different, but the substance was the same, i.e., taxes are going to be raised if Senator Kerry is elected.

 

[goudaman40]

The new "in" thing is an observation . . . .

Do you see the young adults that this week they are gay because they have a friend that is so they think it's cool; then two months down the road they are straight, then they are suddenly bi????

How can you not call that the new "in" thing?????? It's the PC thing to be gay . . . It's the new discrimination! Oh, pitty me, I'm gay, so why don't you give me X, Y, & Z. If the gay community wants equality, then quit going out of the way to make that community stand out.

It's just like Juneteenth - was never celebrated until someone decided they wanted to be singled out.

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
What is the substantive difference between the incorrect quote and what she actually said? The verbage was different, but the substance was the same, i.e., taxes are going to be raised if Senator Kerry is elected.

That is exactly....and ALL...that I meant by my comment.....

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
I don't like it when quotes are attributed to people that didn't make them, so I see peachgirl's point about that.

But for all of the Hillary fans out there, please explain something to me. What is the substantive difference between the incorrect quote and what she actually said? The verbage was different, but the substance was the same, i.e., taxes are going to be raised if Senator Kerry is elected.

She stated that those in the room were fairly well off, so they probably actually got some of the vaunted tax relief the Dubyites keep raving about, and those cuts would have to be repealed for the greater good.

She did NOT say "we're going to take the money out of your pocket" and she did not address it to everyone in the country.

For example, if I'm speaking to a group of multi-millionaire CEO types, and I tell them "We're going to have to ask a lot of you after the transition. We're going to ask you to sacrifice a little of your luxury in order to help pay down the deficit and dig the nation out of the hole Dubya has left us in", that would NOT be the same as addressing a group of low-paid office workers and saying "we're going to raise your taxes and take money out of your pocket for the greater good".

I'm sorry, but the difference between those two instances are obvious.

 

[Galahad]

Guess I never assumed she was talking to everyone in the country. If she is addressing the people in that room, then whether she used the words as quoted correctly or the words as quoted incorrectly, then the meaning is the same.

 

[Galahad]

Practically speaking, there isn't much likelihood that they would "take it back" from the people in that room and NOT also "take it back" from a host of others as well.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Galahad
Guess I never assumed she was talking to everyone in the country. If she is addressing the people in that room, then whether she used the words as quoted correctly or the words as quoted incorrectly, then the meaning is the same.

Exactly.

 

[goudaman40]

Thank you Galahad . . . It is still the same thing - I am soooo sorry that I used the famous "finger quotes" to quote the all mighty Hillary Clinton

but you know - it's all the same - the money will go back to the government and the military spending will be cut and the house and everyone else will vote to raise their pay checks but to cut the military members pay.

Did you know that an E-1 starting out is below the poverity level??? This person that is living in Poverity is defending the right of all of us to say and do what we choose to do. Does he do it for the paycheck??? No, he does it because he believes in his country!

 

[AirForceRocks]

Did you know that an E-1 starting out is below the poverity level???

Can we please for the love of God, Allah, Buddha or whatever is holy to NOT start this stuff again about military payrates and the poverty level?

I would love for lower ranking enlisted members to make more money, but statements such as the one you just made are totally misleading.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Galahad
Practically speaking, there isn't much likelihood that they would "take it back" from the people in that room and NOT also "take it back" from a host of others as well.

Really ? How nice for you to be able to read the minds of democratic lawmakers

As to your other assertion that you never assumed she was talking to the whole country...so, how did you figure that ? The initial post said nothing about addressing a group of wealthy democratic supporters, just attributed the "quote" to her....How did you know who she was addressing ?

Oh, wait...I get it...This is one of those semantic arguments that you're proving so "good" at, right ? You're shown the obvious difference between the two, which you said didn't exist, so you change the footing of the argument to something else by stating what your feelings (assumptions) were. Sorry, but we couldn't tell what you "assumed" or didn't, only what you said, which has been shown to be wrong.

You know, it's really amazing that someone who just yesterday was so adamant about analyzing every word of a document is now suddenly just peachy with a quote being "close enough". Really makes one wonder what you'd be saying if it were Bush that was misquoted...but nah, you wouldn't pull something like that, would you ?

 

[goudaman40]

Airforcerocks - are you married to an officer or an enlisted? (you don't have to answer - but the enlisted side of pay is not the same as officer pay)

I am talking from personal experience on the E-1 - several of the military members we have come to know have joined and have a family to support - wife and young child - explain to me how $700 (more or less) a month is not considered poverity level?? When you have to have transportation for this member to get to their duty station, because they are on the housing waiting list forever and a day and have to buy diapers and pay their bills, and their wife doesn't work because of the cost of daycare would take away the xtra money she would make.

sorry to bring that up . . . but it needs to be looked at. I see too many people saying that the military makes too much money and that they don't deserve the 4% raise they are getting. I just want to shine a light onto the Enlisted side and what the statistics are for the ones joining straight out of high school.

 

[peachgirl]

taxes are going to be raised if Senator Kerry is elected.

No, she didn't say that at all.

She said that for the wealthiest of Americans, they were going to "cut short" the tax cuts they were given. No where did she say taxes in general would be cut.


At any rate, the quote goudaman40 attributed to Ms. Clinton was not a quote at all and it most certainly wasn't a mistake on
goudaman40's part. It was dishonest, plain and simple.

But, apparently being honest and truthful has no place in a political debate.

It's just like Juneteenth - was never celebrated until someone decided they wanted to be singled out.

Is there any minority group you aren't biased towards?? Gays, blacks, the poor...anyone else??

Did you know that an E-1 starting out is below the poverity level???

So, big deal! According to you, they're living pretty damn good!

Our poor live pretty well and would be considered to live like kings in other countries like India.

This person that is living in Poverity is defending the right of all of us to say and do what we choose to do. Does he do it for the paycheck??? No, he does it because he believes in his country!

Ah yes, when all else fails, thump your chest, wave the flag and sing God Bless America....