Katie Holmes and Jamie Foxx

[wenrob]

I believe that Kidman has since reunited with her adopted kids? Or at least one of them.

Have no idea.

He does not lift a finger. He has handlers that keep him happy.

Do you really think he's just an innocent bystander being handled? In the beginning he may have thought he needed them but make no mistake he knows now that THEY need HIM. Tom speaks and they do. He has a major hand in what goes on.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

Have no idea.


Do you really think he's just an innocent bystander being handled? In the beginning he may have thought he needed them but make no mistake he knows now that THEY need HIM. Tom speaks and they do. He has a major hand in what goes on.

They appease him so he stays. Of course he speaks but he does not lift a finger.

 

[wenrob]

They appease him so he stays. Of course he speaks but he does not lift a finger.

What does that mean? "He doesn't lift a finger."

Please correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you think he has no idea that he's being "handled." The thing is HE thinks he's handling THEM. When I say he's crazypants I'm not talking Charlie Sheen "winning" crazy, I'm talking dangerous, someday something really bad is going to happen crazy. Old Tom thinks he's superior to the rest of us but more importantly he thinks he's superior to THEM. Did they start that ball rolling to keep him on the hook? Of course they did. But now they need him and he knows it. His status in the food chain of Scientology is very high. He's knows it and they know it. He is not to be crossed and he runs with that.

 

[penn19]

I didn't know that about Nicole Kidman and their kids.

I had heard that also. I also heard he has not seen Suri in years because Katie is raising her Catholic (i believe) and not Scientology. So she's a suppressive person? Something like that so he's basically not allowed to see her. And maybe has no interest in seeing her anyway.

 

[HarperLeigh]

She was very young and naive when she "met" (I have read she was actually found for him) him. I'm sure she thought they'd be in love forever and signed whatever he wanted her to sign. I'm sure she could have fought it during the divorce but I'm betting she just didn't want to risk custody of Siri. Nichole Kidman lost her kids to him when they divorced and has not been in their lives since.

That this crazy pants, piece of garbage remains a Hollywood powerhouse just astounds me. He's emotionally abused and manipulated the women he was married to essentially keeping them prisoners even after divorce and Hollywood just keeps handing him money. If that doesn't speak to the attitude towards women I don't know what does. Many a celebrity have had their careers destroyed for far less.

Jamie Foxx willingly keeping quiet for years and sticking around speaks volumes about his character IMO. That has to make her feel safe and cherished. Good luck to them!

Yes, his people went bride shopping for him. Scarlett Johanson was approached and laughed in their faces.

 

[Sabeking]

What does that mean? "He doesn't lift a finger."

Please correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you think he has no idea that he's being "handled." The thing is HE thinks he's handling THEM. When I say he's crazypants I'm not talking Charlie Sheen "winning" crazy, I'm talking dangerous, someday something really bad is going to happen crazy. Old Tom thinks he's superior to the rest of us but more importantly he thinks he's superior to THEM. Did they start that ball rolling to keep him on the hook? Of course they did. But now they need him and he knows it. His status in the food chain of Scientology is very high. He's knows it and they know it. He is not to be crossed and he runs with that.

Have you read Leah Remini's book? She talks about a good bit about him and the power he wields over others. I think he is only second to David Miscavage. Unfortunately, I have read too much about Scientology and have seen too many documentaries. I'm addicted to watching this crazy train.

 

[Marchand63]

They appease him so he stays. Of course he speaks but he does not lift a finger.

You really need to educate yourself about this cult. He is very very active in it. I often wonder if he had a hand in the disappearance of Shelly Miscavige.

 

[wenrob]

Have you read Leah Remini's book? She talks about a good bit about him and the power he wields over others. I think he is only second to David Miscavage. Unfortunately, I have read too much about Scientology and have seen too many documentaries. I'm addicted to watching this crazy train.

Yes, I have among other things. I don't think he thinks he's second though, kwim?

 

[Sabeking]

Yes, I have among other things. I don't think he thinks he's second though, kwim?

Yea, I do. Have you ever anything about how he got involved in it? Sorry, last comment, I don't want to hijack the thread about Tom Cruise.

 

[wenrob]

Yea, I do. Have you ever anything about how he got involved in it? Sorry, last comment, I don't want to hijack the thread about Tom Cruise.

Through his first wife Mimi Rogers. He was targeted and groomed and pretty much convinced his career took off because of Scientology. IMO they created and fed the Beast and now they can't get him back in his cage. He in turn thinks he can't be touched but if and when (and I definitely think it's a when) things hit the fan they'll throw him under the bus without a second thought.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Yea, I do. Have you ever anything about how he got involved in it? Sorry, last comment, I don't want to hijack the thread about Tom Cruise.

No worries, it's interesting.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

What does that mean? "He doesn't lift a finger."

Please correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you think he has no idea that he's being "handled." The thing is HE thinks he's handling THEM. When I say he's crazypants I'm not talking Charlie Sheen "winning" crazy, I'm talking dangerous, someday something really bad is going to happen crazy. Old Tom thinks he's superior to the rest of us but more importantly he thinks he's superior to THEM. Did they start that ball rolling to keep him on the hook? Of course they did. But now they need him and he knows it. His status in the food chain of Scientology is very high. He's knows it and they know it. He is not to be crossed and he runs with that.

Exactly. They fall over backwards for him. The things they do for Tom is freaking creepy.

Assigning "blame" is more of a philosophical opinion to me.

Who is more to blame, the people that do the freaky crap he wants or the person that commands them who is mentally ill?

 

[wenrob]

Exactly. They fall over backwards for him. The things they do for Tom is freaking creepy.

Assigning "blame" is more of a philosophical opinion to me.

Who is more to blame, the people that do the freaky crap he wants or the person that commands them who is mentally ill?

I absolutely think Tom Cruise is complicit in everything he does. He knows what he's doing. Making a deal with the devil doesn't excuse that IMO. I guess we can call narcissistism and sociopathic tendencies mentally ill but I don't for one second believe he rose to the top of the food chain of Scientology naively or that he wasn't 100% aware of exactly what he was doing to the women he supposedly loved.

 

[Marchand63]

Back to the subject. As long as they are happy, I would be happy for them. Unlikely pair, who knows I only know the public personas.