~ Kate Plus Eight ~

[DMRick]

I have seen several clips of parties that were held with the DWTS cast and not once did I witness Kate at any of them. The paps loved those dancers and the dancers were very cordial back to them.

She was at at least two, because she was interviewed by paps during the parties along with Tony. She did say in one of her interviews after that that she did not go to the parties, because she immediately went to the airport on Tuesdays and flew home.
Are you assuming she didn't go because she wasn't liked, and if she wasn't, does it matter?

 

[Wonderlandmom]

The look on Mady & Cara's face was priceless. I noticed they didn't go in the basement to show how everything was "back to normal".

Mady did not look happy. I have gone back and looked and frozen the picture several times and I cannot find Cara in the foyer when the crew arrives. I do not see her at all. She is also not in the other scenes of them sitting around the table a couple times.

 

[DMRick]

Mady did not look happy. I have gone back and looked and frozen the picture several times and I cannot find Cara in the foyer when the crew arrives. I do not see her at all. She is also not in the other scenes of them sitting around the table a couple times.

I looked too. Perhaps she didn't want to be taped that day, or was at school or a friends house.

 

[Disney-Kim]

I didn't see the very beginning where the crews were being let back in the house but I have to say that Mady sure hasn't changed.

I have always thought tht the sextuplets were J&K's favs and the twins are obviously 2nd....and the poor girls have to live with that everyday. The fame of the sixers and how everyone is so enamored with them...and on and on....
Mady...imho....is bratty all time she is on camera whether alone or with other kids...but....you have to feel sorry for her at the lack of attention she must get in a family with 8 kids....she needed to be an only child I guess.

the sixers all seem very comfortable on camera and the older girls don't seem to like it.
I also felt that the Discovery cove show was like the old days but missing Jon. Can you imagine $2700 for a day there...
I couldn't believe the DOLPHIN TRAINORS helped Kate serve her kids...come on...get the girls to help carry food trays...

her self-entitlement does come across sometimes

 

[madge]

question about the crew & the show.

did they bring back the old (beloved) crew? I'm asking because I thought it was a pretty well known fact that most of the original crew moved onto the Duggar's show and the current crew sort of rotated and wasn't quite as constant?

or did I dream that?

 

[DMRick]

question about the crew & the show.

did they bring back the old (beloved) crew? I'm asking because I thought it was a pretty well known fact that most of the original crew moved onto the Duggar's show and the current crew sort of rotated and wasn't quite as constant?

or did I dream that?

The crew they have now, they have had for awhile (maybe 2 years?) and they are mostly the same. The first crew, at least two of them are with the Duggars. Once in a while, last year, you would see one of the oldest crew members. Sometimes on trips, you won't see the full crew you see at the house.
I did notice last night, when rewatching the boat in themarsh, the other security guy was there aas well as Steve..he too seems to be a regular.

 

[mousey]

Mady did not look happy. I have gone back and looked and frozen the picture several times and I cannot find Cara in the foyer when the crew arrives. I do not see her at all. She is also not in the other scenes of them sitting around the table a couple times.

I'm sorry, I must of been mistaken. I could of sworn that I saw the two of them right near the staircase with a glazed look on their face. Maybe it was just Mady I saw. I apologize. I'm sure Cara was at a friends or didn't want to be taped for "the big surprise". I'm sure if you were a kid and your parent told you I have a big surprise for you, you would ask to instead go to a friends house or someplace else.

 

[mousey]

She was at at least two, because she was interviewed by paps during the parties along with Tony. She did say in one of her interviews after that that she did not go to the parties, because she immediately went to the airport on Tuesdays and flew home.
Are you assuming she didn't go because she wasn't liked, and if she wasn't, does it matter?

All the dancers were interviewed at the parties your referring to. I was talking about private parties that were taped and shown on Utube.

 

[DMRick]

All the dancers were interviewed at the parties your referring to. I was talking about private parties that were taped and shown on Utube.

Well, again, she may have been lying, but she said she flew home. Perhaps she wasn't available or didn't want to go. It would be rather childish if parties were held and only one cast member was excluded. But, hey, if it's important to you, that they not like her, keep believing it. I'm not interested enough to look up the private parties (how strange to tape and put a private party on youtube) but I'm sure if you looked at every DWTS private party, and didn't see her, she wasn't there.

 

[mousey]

Well, again, she may have been lying, but she said she flew home. Perhaps she wasn't available or didn't want to go. It would be rather childish if parties were held and only one cast member was excluded. But, hey, if it's important to you, that they not like her, keep believing it. I'm not interested enough to look up the private parties (how strange to tape and put a private party on youtube) but I'm sure if you looked at every DWTS private party, and didn't see her, she wasn't there.

For your information I did not look up every private party on utube. I was looking for the team dances and a couple parties popped up. I was just commenting that it was funny that they loved Kate so much but she wasn't at any of these parties. I think the papparazzi were invited guests for the way they were mingling with the dancers. Kate doesn't have that relationship with the papparazzi. I think that is why they bother her so much. Just for the record, its not really important to me either if Kate was there or not or invited or not. I just thought you would of been aware of all this because you seem to know it all.

 

[DMRick]

I just thought you would of been aware of all this because you seem to know it all.

LOL..Pot/Kettle. That's too funny, that you are accusing me of being a know it all
I guess you haven't read the many many times I have said I didn't know something. In fact most of us don't know just what really goes on (and I've certainly said that enough), and that's why I have such a problem with so much judging of Kate and her family. YOU said

I have seen several clips of parties that were held with the DWTS cast and not once did I witness Kate at any of them.

, not me, so I don't know why you are trying to turn the judging on me. Unless you watched them through the entire party (not just clips), how the heck would you even know if she was there or not? And why bother to bring it up, unless it's just as usual, to try to shoot Kate down a notch?

 

[mousey]

LOL..Pot/Kettle. That's too funny, that you are accusing me of being a know it all
I guess you haven't read the many many times I have said I didn't know something. In fact most of us don't know just what really goes on (and I've certainly said that enough), and that's why I have such a problem with so much judging of Kate and her family. YOU said , not me, so I don't know why you are trying to turn the judging on me. Unless you watched them through the entire party (not just clips), how the heck would you even know if she was there or not? And why bother to bring it up, unless it's just as usual, to try to shoot Kate down a notch?

Why can't I bring it up? Just because Kate wasn't there we aren't allowed to talk about it. Why is it a problem for you if others judge Kate. She is the one who put herself and her family out there on television.

 

[DMRick]

Why can't I bring it up? Just because Kate wasn't there we aren't allowed to talk about it. Why is it a problem for you if others judge Kate. She is the one who put herself and her family out there on television.

Obviously you can bring it up. I think for some reason always putting down Kate and absolutely everything she does is important to you in some way. Like I said, if it's important to you, to let people know you watched the parties of the DWTS people, and you couldn't spot Kate at any of them, so that must mean none of them like her, hey, post away.

I just have to wonder why you watch the show, and read all the stuff about her. It seems to really bother you that she is considered a celebrity, when you can't find a single redeeming quality in her. Most everyone has something good about them.

 

[mousey]

Obviously you can bring it up. I think for some reason always putting down Kate and absolutely everything she does is important to you in some way. Like I said, if it's important to you, to let people know you watched the parties of the DWTS people, and you couldn't spot Kate at any of them, so that must mean none of them like her, hey, post away.

I just have to wonder why you watch the show, and read all the stuff about her. It seems to really bother you that she is considered a celebrity, when you can't find a single redeeming quality in her. Most everyone has something good about them.

Last I knew this was a discussion board. Did something change recently?? I don't have to put Kate down--she does a good job on her own doing it. Maybe you consider her a celebrity, but I don't think that opinion is shared by everyone. Lets see one single redeeming quality about Kate?? H'mmm how about she is the only mother of 8 kids that I know that has 300 bikinis!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Lets see one single redeeming quality about Kate?? H'mmm how about she is the only mother of 8 kids that I know that has 300 bikinis!

How about she carried those babies without selectivly reducing them? Or how she was on bedrest and did her best to carry them as long as she could? Shouldn't those count for something?

Or how about she is the ONLY one doing something to bring in an income? She just did DWTS and humiliated herself. Hmmmm, what's Jon doing? Oh ya, romancing yet another 20 something girl friend!

 

[DMRick]

Last I knew this was a discussion board. Did something change recently?? I don't have to put Kate down--she does a good job on her own doing it. Maybe you consider her a celebrity, but I don't think that opinion is shared by everyone. Lets see one single redeeming quality about Kate?? H'mmm how about she is the only mother of 8 kids that I know that has 300 bikinis!

Yes, it is a discussion board. But most of what you say isn't discussion, it's just put down after put down. But I don't think anything I say would ever change your 'discussions' type, so spew away. Maybe because I know I'm not perfect, in fact far from it, and I've made mistakes with my kids, and how I have done things with them, I have some empathy for her. There are very few people in this world, that I could hate as much as Kate has been hated. They'd have to do a lot more wrong, than what she has IMO.

Most people don't know how it happened, but a celebrity she is. It's not just my opinion, it is what it is. You say Kate almost anywhere, and people know who you are talking about.

From wiki:
A celebrity (sometimes referred to as a celeb in popular culture) is a person who is easily recognized in a society or culture.

Generally speaking, a celebrity is someone who gets media attention and shows an extroverted personality.

 

[mousey]

Most people don't know how it happened, but a celebrity she is. It's not just my opinion, it is what it is. You say Kate almost anywhere, and people know who you are talking about.

Just because people know who Kate is doesn't mean they like her or approve of the way she exploits her kids. The last time someone tried to start a thread that was for good thoughts of Kate only it didn't even last a day. Your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. Its ok if we don't agree! When people say I admire Kate for taking care of 8 kids and providing for the family. I feel that Kate doesn't take care of her 8 kids because she has enough nannies and such that it isn't necessary. She provides for the family using the kids in front of the camera. She claims she is a single mother doing everything when thats not the case! JMO!

 

[susykt4]

Maybe because I know I'm not perfect, in fact far from it, and I've made mistakes with my kids, and how I have done things with them, I have some empathy for her. There are very few people in this world, that I could hate as much as Kate has been hated. They'd have to do a lot more wrong, than what she has IMO.

I think that many of us who are anti-Kate have been wounded by someone similar in our lives. Obviously, I know NOTHING about her that I haven't seen on tv or read online. All of that could be edited against her. However, what I do see reminds me so much of my mother that I can't help projecting my mother's traits onto Kate and assuming she is similar all around. Is that just speculation? Of course! But what I've seen over and over and over reinforces in my mind how Kate likely really is. Constantly belittling the husband and seeing nothing wrong with it, repeatedly putting her own needs and wants above those of her children, I could go on and on...

Doris, the reason your pro-Kate comments sometimes aggravate me is because I know firsthand how damaging my mother's behavior was to my father, brothers and me. And we weren't on tv or in any public situation. We weren't physically abused, she wasn't an alcoholic or drug addict, etc. So many have had it so much worse! However, it was tough growing up knowing my mom wanted a perfectly trained showdog instead of me. It was hard to take the constant belittling and even harder to hear my dad being put down every second of his life. It was just plain weird to realize mom's entitlement was completely unjustified. It is impossible for me to not draw parallels between my mother and Kate. It is also impossible for me to not speculate that the kids (and Jon) have been hurt by her behavior. It's offensive to me when others (general others) act like Jon deserved his poor treatment or the kids won't be harmed by Kate's awful behavior.

I'm sure Kate (like my mother) has plenty of wonderful qualities. I have no problem with her working away from home because I would have LOVED it if my mom went away for days or weeks at a time, especially if I was left with a twentysomething babysitter! I agree that Kate needs to work every opportunity she gets and earn every penny she can before she fades into oblivion. As for the kids, I hope they somehow make it through this fiasco with as little damage as possible!

 

[DMRick]

Susy, I understand everything you are saying. This is personal for you. But you do admit it's speculation, and I don't see you spewing out hate. What you are saying, imo, leaves room for a discussion.

I could be 100% wrong, but I'd like to think that Kate has learned from how she and Jon treated each other. She seems softer to me, and I think the kids may benefit from that. You are right that we don't know if that is how they betrayed her...if so, they certainly hit their mark and have turned Kate into a celebrity because of how they betrayed her.

I'm sorry about how your mom was, but we do have to remember that none of us really know Kate, and everyone deserves a chance. Hating someone we don't even know, just isn't good for any one of us. In fact hating anyone isn't good. I wonder if watching Kate and reading this board is something that helps you or harms you, if she is so much like a mom that gives you bad memories...doesn't it dredge up memories you might be better off trying to put behind you (and I really do mean that in a nice way)?

I really appreciate how nicely you posted what you did. And believe me, while I may be 'pro-Kate' there is a lot that she has done that I haven't liked, just like with many others that have been in the public eye. But I also believe she really does love her children, and I do hope that we are just not shown the in between times, when she shows them that. Too me, when they do something wrong, I don't see fear in their eyes, the times we do see them, and for me that is a good thing.

The thing with kids, and I'm not excusing your mom at all, is they don't come with instructions and most of us are trial and error, and do the best we can. Often other's who don't have kids (or haven't had a teenager yet) are positive they can do a better job, and who knows, maybe they could. There were times when I wish I could have turned mine over to someone else. Luckily, in spite of my mistakes, they all turned out wonderful.

I think that many of us who are anti-Kate have been wounded by someone similar in our lives. Obviously, I know NOTHING about her that I haven't seen on tv or read online. All of that could be edited against her. However, what I do see reminds me so much of my mother that I can't help projecting my mother's traits onto Kate and assuming she is similar all around. Is that just speculation? Of course! But what I've seen over and over and over reinforces in my mind how Kate likely really is. Constantly belittling the husband and seeing nothing wrong with it, repeatedly putting her own needs and wants above those of her children, I could go on and on...

Doris, the reason your pro-Kate comments sometimes aggravate me is because I know firsthand how damaging my mother's behavior was to my father, brothers and me. And we weren't on tv or in any public situation. We weren't physically abused, she wasn't an alcoholic or drug addict, etc. So many have had it so much worse! However, it was tough growing up knowing my mom wanted a perfectly trained showdog instead of me. It was hard to take the constant belittling and even harder to hear my dad being put down every second of his life. It was just plain weird to realize mom's entitlement was completely unjustified. It is impossible for me to not draw parallels between my mother and Kate. It is also impossible for me to not speculate that the kids (and Jon) have been hurt by her behavior. It's offensive to me when others (general others) act like Jon deserved his poor treatment or the kids won't be harmed by Kate's awful behavior.

I'm sure Kate (like my mother) has plenty of wonderful qualities. I have no problem with her working away from home because I would have LOVED it if my mom went away for days or weeks at a time, especially if I was left with a twentysomething babysitter! I agree that Kate needs to work every opportunity she gets and earn every penny she can before she fades into oblivion. As for the kids, I hope they somehow make it through this fiasco with as little damage as possible!

 

[susykt4]

I wonder if watching Kate and reading this board is something that helps you or harms you, if she is so much like a mom that gives you bad memories...doesn't it dredge up memories you might be better off trying to put behind you (and I really do mean that in a nice way)?

I'm 37 with a husband and two kids. My oldest will turn 10 in a couple of weeks, so no teens yet. I started watching the show like everyone else, to see the adorable kids and be amazed at how Jon and Kate managed their huge family. I guess the eventual train wreck hooked me and I think I found the Dis thread late last summer. I rarely post, but often read. I've "pretty much" come to terms with my mom and the way she is. She's a good grandma to my kids. I mainly communicate with her with email and keep her updated with a blog so we don't have to talk a whole lot. She still belittles my dad constantly. He just works a lot and avoids her. Watching/reading is a gentle reminder to me to NOT fall into the ways I was taught. It doesn't really dredge up terrible memories. I'm really interested in the psychology of why people are the way they are. My mom and Kate are both very interesting to me!