Juggling points - multiple property contracts

cigar95

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I admit I haven't searched the archives as dilligently as I might, so apologies in advance if this is well-known.

Suppose I own points at VWL and at OKW, but in a given year I'd like to make all my stays at VWL. Is the following scenario allowed?

1 - Call and reserve at VWL at 11 months.
2 - At the seven month mark, switch this reservation to my OKW points, and then have the VWL points available to book a second trip.

If allowed, would this require canceling and then rebooking, so that someone else might be able to snag the availability if they called at just the right moment?

Also, it seems like I might well have to call and switch the days one day at a time. This might also complicate the process.

Another question just as relevant - if allowed, would this practice be frowned upon?

I'm asking this because I have an opportunity to buy multiple contracts, and we're interested in understanding all the possibilities. Thanks for your input.
 
You would book VWL with those points at 11 months. At 7 months you would make another reservation at VWL with your OKW points. You cannot combine the two resort points at 11 months, at seven months you can make a reservation anywhere with any resort points.
 
No, the practice is not frowned upon, BECAUSE.... As you suggested, you will actually be cancelling the ressie made with VWL points, then rebooking with OKW points. Yes, if there is a waitlist your ressie could get scarfed up as soon as you cancel.

The only advantage to booking this way, is if you are willing to keep the ressie with VWL points.
Before you switch to OKW points, I would first ask what the availability is for the size villa and time you want. If there is no availability, keep the ressie using VWL points.

Good luck! :cool:

MG
 
What is the benefit to booking and then canceling a trip just to rebook it ,when you could keep the first reservation and book another at 7 months???? Am I missing something.
 

Originally posted by Poorman
What is the benefit to booking and then canceling a trip just to rebook it ,when you could keep the first reservation and book another at 7 months???? Am I missing something.
I think they want to keep the VWL points for another 11 month window at VWL.

Perhaps I am misinterpreting it myself... :cool:

MG
 
Originally posted by Poorman
What is the benefit to booking and then canceling a trip just to rebook it ,when you could keep the first reservation and book another at 7 months???? Am I missing something.

This is all hypothetical at this point.

Suppose I want to stay at a popular resort like VWL, so it's to my advantage to book before the seven month window opens. But I'd like to "pay for it" using my OKW points, so that I can use the VWL points for another stay six months later.

Well, being the devious plotter that I am, I figured - use the VWL points to snag the reservation 11 months out, then once the seven month window opens, switch the reservation to one using my OKW points. This would then free up the VWL points to book the second stay.

But if this can only be done by canceling and reebooking, and if the waitlist is an automatic thing, it pretty much makes this strategy too risky to count on.
 
Well you could do about the same thing. Book your ressie at 11 months ,at the seven month window book the same ressie with OKW points,if it is available. Then cancel the first one. You have your points back.
 
Originally posted by Poorman
Well you could do about the same thing. Book your ressie at 11 months ,at the seven month window book the same ressie with OKW points,if it is available. Then cancel the first one. You have your points back.

That may be the realistic option - though it loses the advantage of being able to use the eleven month window to advantage in the case of booking at a popular property to avoid having to compete with everyone else calling at the seven month mark.
 
cigar95,
You are correct in that you can not reallocate the OKW points into the VWL ressie. You could make a second ressie at the 7 month window with the OKW points, if there was availability--otherwise you would go on the waiting list.

Abou the only other things you could do are:

1. You could trade your OKW points for VWL with a VWL owner who was looking for OKW points.
2. You could rent your OKW out to someone whilst you in turn rented VWL points from someone else.

3. You could use your VWL points for Sun-thurs stay at the 11month window and book the OKW points for the Fri-Sat weekend nights at the 7month window (although you take a risk with this in that the Fri-sat nights could be booked and you would have to go on the waiting list. )

-DC :earsboy:
 
There are a number of variations you can do with this situation.
  • You can bank and borrow and possibly stay at the resorts on alternating years.
  • There are a number of ways to reserved one or both resorts at the 11 month window and munipulate them at 7 months out. In part it depends on how many points you have, where you stand in the banking windows and how much you're willing to gamble.
But as stated above, you can reserve VWL at 7 months out and recapture some or all of the VWL points IF AND ONLY IF the days are still available for a new reservation. But you can do any day so if only some days are available but not others, you can do any day even if in between days not available.
 
Okay....well, here's another question. My mom just bought 50 pts at VWL, but sometimes, she said she would like to use them at BWV for the "standard view". Since we own there, I said..."no problem...just transfer your points into my BWV contract, and they will become BWV points...then I will make the ressie for you." Cheating, yes...but, not really....since DVC makes the rules, I am just going with them.

So...here's my next question, both for me, and the original OP. We have two different resorts, with two different UY's. Could we do the same for ourselves? Could we "transfer" some of our VWL points into our BWV account and have them "become" BWV points? Because, if this is an option...it would also be an option for the OP??

Just curious,

:wave:

Beca
 
Originally posted by Beca
Okay....well, here's another question. My mom just bought 50 pts at VWL, but sometimes, she said she would like to use them at BWV for the "standard view". Since we own there, I said..."no problem...just transfer your points into my BWV contract, and they will become BWV points...then I will make the ressie for you." Cheating, yes...but, not really....since DVC makes the rules, I am just going with them.

So...here's my next question, both for me, and the original OP. We have two different resorts, with two different UY's. Could we do the same for ourselves? Could we "transfer" some of our VWL points into our BWV account and have them "become" BWV points? Because, if this is an option...it would also be an option for the OP??

Just curious,

:wave:

Beca
Hi, Beca. Technically speaking, transfered points retain their original home resort status. There have been reports here that the DVC computers can not track this properly, so you MAY get away with it.
That being said, the rules in the POS clearly state that VWL points will remain VWL points, even after transfer to an OKW member's account. :cool:

MG
 
Gracey..you're right about what the rules say, but I just transferred some BWV points to a member who was trying to get them from many sources so he could book a BWV Grand Villa for his extended family (nice guy!!!). So, I called MS and asked if these points would stay BWV points since this man owned at OKW....and, they would be transferred into his OKW account. She told me that it was "possible", but it required "tricking" the system. By default, the way MS computers are set up, my BWV points became OKW points once they were transferred.

Anyway, the man decided to go ahead with his plans, and emailed me about a week later stating that he "finally" got my BWV points to be BWV points...but, he had to really "work" MS to get them to do it!!!

That just got me started thinking (my devious mind!!). After this incident, I really am not concerned about them "becoming" different home resort points...that REALLY is what happens by default with MS computers right now (I know it may change in the system...but, I don't see that happening any time soon)!! My only concern was could you transfer between to contracts that are both under the same member # (or, will I get a 2nd member number when I close on my VWL contract)? Does that make sense?

:wave:

Beca
 
Beca, what you are saying is true. I certainly don't want to come across as a meanie here, but let me explain the problem I have with your scenario-

I own some of my points at VB. For the privilege of booking a beach cottage during peak season, I pay the highest maintenance fees of all resorts, plus a possible special assessment for hurricane damage.

At the 11 month window, why should I be competing with a member who pays the lowest maintenance fees (OKW), and no special assessment?

Of course, using VB and OKW as examples are the extreme, but you get the picture... :cool:

MG
 
I totally understand where you are coming from!!! But, until DVC "fixes" the glitch...people are having problems getting what the rule book says they will get. The man to whom I transferred points was actually advised my MS that he should not try to "keep" points their original designation anymore, but understand that they will become OKW points anytime he transfers points in. That's not the rules ANY of us bought into when we signed...so, such "deviations" in the rules come with conseqences. If DVC is really bummed by this...then, they need to fix their computers to abide by the rules.

If my "devious mind" scenario got your "ruffled"...then, this will REALLY get you going. I know of a man who rents as many DVC points as he can, at whatever resort he can get. He owns several small contracts, and buys from people who have LARGE points to rent at a time. He then transfers them to one of his small contracts, and they "become" the home points of his contract. He LOVES (from what I understand) getting VB points because he can sometimes get them for less...and, he then converts them to a WDW property, and rents out the points (via various sources) for a premium.

What you said about VB having higher MF's is true...but, as a BWV owner, I could say the same thing about upsetting my advantage of getting a standard view, or as a "soon-to-be" VWL owner...upsetting my home advantage of getting VWL on Christmas. An OKW owner could talk about losing their "advantage" of getting a grand villa. Every resort has something to "protect". For you, it is the 11 month window at a resort that you pay a premium for.

All I am saying is this....such "transfers" are going on (probably more often than we know), and in the case I know of...by someone who is a DVC owner for profit...not for pleasure. Now, it is a free country, and people can do what they want...but, if these are the way DVC intends to "enforce" or "bend" the rules...then, that is the way we ALL have to play it. The fact of the matter remains, that if my mom wanted to "transfer" points into her account from someone's BWV account to get the 11 month advantage for the standard view....she would have a REALLY hard time doing that, even though that is what the rules say she can do. The way DVC has it going right now, if I transferred any of my BWV points to her, they would become VWL points...unless I really had someone go out of their way for me!!! DVC can't "have their cake and eat it, too".

I would be TOTALLY fine if DVC changed their computers to match their rules. I have often wondered how this changing of home resorts when you transfer points has not created problems in the past. I guess it must equal out. But, all I can think is that MS doesn't care enough about this to actually get computers working the right way, or "manually" do all of these transfers.

I understand your position, and I hope my questions have not offended you...but, these questions come to my mind...and, I just wanted to know the answers.

:wave:

Beca
 
Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Beca, what you are saying is true. I certainly don't want to come across as a meanie here, but let me explain the problem I have with your scenario-

I own some of my points at VB. For the privilege of booking a beach cottage during peak season, I pay the highest maintenance fees of all resorts, plus a possible special assessment for hurricane damage.

At the 11 month window, why should I be competing with a member who pays the lowest maintenance fees (OKW), and no special assessment?

Of course, using VB and OKW as examples are the extreme, but you get the picture... :cool:

MG
I agree in principle but the beef is with DVC not Beca or anyone in a similar position. Actually more people have problems thinking they WILL have the the home resort of the transferred points and then either do not, or have to make DVC work around it. And having to do it manually means they can't do anything that requires exactly 11 months day by day. DVC SHOULD fix the problem but I suspect it would require creating a new account for each person every time they do a transfer. The other way to fix it would be to prevent transfers.
 















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