Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The new couple are way worse than J&K were at the beginning. In one of the very first episodes the mom started bashing the dad for being "fat". She also has a very high opinion of herself and is really annoying. The dad seemed OK - I felt bad for him because a lot of the show ended up focusing on his weight.

The mom also had no control over the kids which put them in dangerous situations. Like or hate Kate - she kept her kids safe.

Interesting.

She was a lot more "reserved" in her NBC interview.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree with you, I was just answering the persons question how Kate felt.
To me, when she made that answer, she looked like Jon ended everything and they couldn't tape anymore.

What I find is sad, and it has been discussed so many time, that Jon and Kate said every season, "if one person wants to stop taping, they will stop taping" nothing was ever said about obligations with a contract. To me, this was the biggest lie they ever told.

Can we really call it a lie if they discussed things and both opted to stay in?

She can't forcibly make Jon sign a contract.

 

[DMRick]

What I find is sad, and it has been discussed so many time, that Jon and Kate said every season, "if one person wants to stop taping, they will stop taping" nothing was ever said about obligations with a contract. To me, this was the biggest lie they ever told.

If one wanted to stop taping, perhaps they could have. But if I undertand it right, Jon didn't originally want to stop taping. He said he would stop taping if TLC didn't get back to him in an hour letting him know if he was released to move onto other things. Perhaps this would have a different ending for him courtwise, if he didn't try to tie it to himself. I'm thinking he wanted the money the show brought in, but he himself wanted to move on. I think this court case may show if he really wanted to stop.

 

[madge]

The NBC interviewer asked Kate about the lawsuit, and she said,
"Jon signed the contract"
"When you sign a contract, you are obliged then to live up to your end of the bargain with the contract."
She tilted her head, and said, "how sad that he broke his contract".

I wonder what the churches Kate & Jon canceled on last year would say to that comment.

 

[DMRick]

I wonder what the churches Kate & Jon canceled on last year would say to that comment.

Probably nothing..they are churches after all, and they prob didn't have much to lose LOL.
If they had contracts with them, maybe they bought them out, or maybe the contracts were worded as such that they had an out. It's always smart to have a lawyer that knows contracts, read them, if you don't understand them.
We seldom have contracts with our church speakers. If they don't show, we figure there must be a reason, although I can only think of two cases that has happened (no shows) in almost 40 years.
I wonder how much this will cost all of them, if the judge rules in TLC's favor.

 

[madge]

Probably nothing..they are churches after all, and they prob didn't have much to lose LOL.
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hypocritical nonetheless.

and spoken by the one who asked for the divorce.

 

[kidshop]

hypocritical nonetheless.

and spoken by the one who asked for the divorce.

Contract honorer (high road taker), only when it is convenient or profitable...

 

[DMRick]

hypocritical nonetheless.

and spoken by the one who asked for the divorce.

Well, I also have to say, I didn't even know that she broke the contracts. I thought the churches didn't want her anymore. I thought that was what some decided on this thread? Or did churches post that she broke a contract? I really don't remember much about the time when it all fell apart.

We know that she asked for the divorce? And I'm not getting that..are you saying she broke the marriage contract? Not knowing why, is that also a bad thing? If so, then 50% of the US have broken contracts, so maybe they will go light on Jon.

 

[DMRick]

Contract honorer (high road taker), only when it is convenient or profitable...

This just struck me as so funny. I can't decide now if everyone thinks that because she isn't the one that broke this contract (uh..did Jon break it to take the high road? I'm getting so many mixed thoughts on this from this thread), she's the bad one, and Jon is the good one. Obviously, neither should have broken contracts, and I guess if Kate did break church contracts, that didn't have any clauses to break them (didn't live up to the bargain), she shouldn't say anything about Jon breaking them. So do we know that she did? Break church contracts? I don't know about the marriage one. I'd have to know why, before I condemnn her on that one, and I don't think I'll ever know that.

 

[madge]

Well, I also have to say, I didn't even know that she broke the contracts. I thought the churches didn't want her anymore. I thought that was what some decided on this thread? Or did churches post that she broke a contract? I really don't remember much about the time when it all fell apart.

there were several speaking engagements canceled last year, around the time that Media Motion International began representing the Gosselins. Here is an example of one of the cancelations.

Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:08 PM
Subject: Hi Judy/The Gosselins

Hi Judy,

I hope all is well with you.

I wanted to introduce myself as I work with Kate and Jon Gosselin.

I'm afraid that I have some disappointing news as Jon & Kate unfortunately are having to cut back on their upcoming speaking engagements and travel in order to spend more time with their children and we sincerely hope you can understand.

They are really so very sorry that they will not be able to make the trip. Of course, they will be happy to return your deposit if you can please email me the best address to send it to and we'll get that to you right away.

Again, we are so very sorry that they will be unable to attend as they were so looking forward to meeting you in person and also meeting your wonderful group!

Thank you for everything and if they might be in your area in the future, perhaps there will be a way to work out an appearance at a future time.

All best,

Julie May
Media Motion International

another example:
http://i35.tinypic.com/517ixd.jpg

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Well, I also have to say, I didn't even know that she broke the contracts. I thought the churches didn't want her anymore. I thought that was what some decided on this thread? Or did churches post that she broke a contract? I really don't remember much about the time when it all fell apart.

We know that she asked for the divorce? And I'm not getting that..are you saying she broke the marriage contract? Not knowing why, is that also a bad thing? If so, then 50% of the US have broken contracts, so maybe they will go light on Jon.

She filed for divorce. On the seperation announcement episode, TLC ran a blurb onscreen that said as of today Kate Gosselin has filed for the dissolution of their marriage.

Of course there are conflicting reports...Jon says Kate told him last Oct. their marriage was over. Kate says she can't remember when their marriage was over. Jon says Kate ended things, Kate says Jon told her to get a lawyer. Ah, the classic he said/she said scenario! But for all legal purposes, Kate did file for divorce. Is that a long enough winded answer to your question? Actually, I didn't really answer it, did I.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

This just struck me as so funny. I can't decide now if everyone thinks that because she isn't the one that broke this contract (uh..did Jon break it to take the high road? I'm getting so many mixed thoughts on this from this thread), she's the bad one, and Jon is the good one. Obviously, neither should have broken contracts, and I guess if Kate did break church contracts, that didn't have any clauses to break them (didn't live up to the bargain), she shouldn't say anything about Jon breaking them. So do we know that she did? Break church contracts? I don't know about the marriage one. I'd have to know why, before I condemnn her on that one, and I don't think I'll ever know that.

FWIW--a contract can be broken if there are stipulations within the contract.

What you cannot do is dishonor a contract as it suits your fancy and then expect the other party to honor their portion of the contract.


Let's talk real estate--a contract to purchase can be legitimately broken if you have language within the contract stating when the contract can be broken. Thus--pending inspection, pending financing--etc etc etc.

Failure to have that language and then breaking the contract anyway, will get you in legal hot water.

Jon didn't "break" a contract with TLC--he violated it. He never asked to be OUT of that contract and thus was still obligated under those conditions.

I don't know what Kate did with her contracts, but I'm simply saying the act of breaking a contract in and of itself isn't a violation of the contract in and of itself unless there is language to the contrary.

As for a divorce--let us not really go there and say "she" broke the contract on that one or that "he" broke the contract. That's a different circumstance all together and is legally dissolvable per state law. As are many types of contracts, if one takes the path to nullify it legally.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

there were several speaking engagements canceled last year, around the time that Media Motion International began representing the Gosselins. Here is an example of one of the cancelations.

another example:
http://i35.tinypic.com/517ixd.jpg

Hmmm, I'm not sure what I think about this. The reasons given for canceling the show are valid, if indeed it's the true reason. That the kids don't like J&K being away from home. But it is very suspect IMO since Kate seemed to have no problem going away for the book tours. Also, it seems Julie May was a bit put out that Kate got herself a PR firm and no longer needed her. So I wonder...

As a side note, Madge where do you find this stuff?? You should really become an investigative journalist!

 

[DMRick]

So these were broken contracts? I wonder if she had anything in the contract that allows for some sort of payment to them. Like I said, our church doesn't have a contract, but then we are very small.
Not defending TLC or J & K in this, (and of course Kate did remark that Jon canceled a contract..if she did also, then she should have kept her mouth shut) but I would have to assume that breaking a contract for a show that had advertsers, and leaves a slot to fill makes TLC a bit nervous, if they didn't persue it.

there were several speaking engagements canceled last year, around the time that Media Motion International began representing the Gosselins. Here is an example of one of the cancelations.



another example:
http://i35.tinypic.com/517ixd.jpg

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I wonder what the churches Kate & Jon canceled on last year would say to that comment.

That would depend on the language within the contract in regards to a cancellation policy for those speaking engagements.

It would be hypocritical to condemn her for "breaking" a contract if there is language within the contract that allows it to be broken.

Since we are not privy to the language of the contract, it really is a moot point of discussion as neither "side" will have evidence to support their position.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So these were broken contracts? I wonder if she had anything in the contract that allows for some sort of payment to them. Like I said, our church doesn't have a contract, but then we are very small.
Not defending TLC or J & K in this, (and of course Kate did remark that Jon canceled a contract..if she did also, then she should have kept her mouth shut) but I would have to assume that breaking a contract for a show that had advertsers, and leaves a slot to fill makes TLC a bit nervous, if they didn't persue it.

Jon outright violated the conditions of his contract while remaining under contract which is the basis for the lawsuit.

As for Kate--no evidence to the language of the contract, so there is no evidence to support whether or not her comment was "hypocritical".


Please know that I am not "defending" Kate--but when folks start talking "contract", there is a whole segment of law dedicated to that field.

Those who enter into contracts are wise to have proper advisement and guidance in the event you may not be able to follow through with the contract.

 

[DMRick]

Actually, I didn't really answer it, did I.

That's OK..I don't happen to think one has any bearing on the other (marriage contract versus other contracts). I really don't know who broke the marriage, no matter who filed first. Like I said, I don't remember much of the details (there were so many) that went on at the time. Maybe she broke it just because she didn't want any more money (bet that doesn't fly here), or maybe the kids and her and Jon were having a particulaly hard time at the time and she got out of what she could. Or maybe those contracts were for both of them. I really don't know. If she really did break a contract, that had no clauses in it for breaking it, then she shouldn't have said that Jon was bad (or whatever she said) for breaking his contract.

 

[torinsmom]

She filed for divorce. On the seperation announcement episode, TLC ran a blurb onscreen that said as of today Kate Gosselin has filed for the dissolution of their marriage.

Of course there are conflicting reports...Jon says Kate told him last Oct. their marriage was over. Kate says she can't remember when their marriage was over. Jon says Kate ended things, Kate says Jon told her to get a lawyer. Ah, the classic he said/she said scenario! But for all legal purposes, Kate did file for divorce. Is that a long enough winded answer to your question? Actually, I didn't really answer it, did I.

So, I filed for divorce in 1999. The ex left and did not want to get counseling. He moved on and was running around town like a frat boy. He didn't have the money to file and kept putting it off, so I did it. It was an embarrassment to be married to him while he was acting like that. I also needed to separate myself financially from him, as he was running up debt and running down my credit along with his. That doesn't mean the divorce was my idea or that it was all my fault. Sometimes, you have to act to make things better.

I don't KNOW that the divorce was Jon's idea, but I'm just saying that just because someone filed, that doesn't mean they were the one who instigated the divorce.

Marsha

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

So, I filed for divorce in 1999. The ex left and did not want to get counseling. He moved on and was running around town like a frat boy. He didn't have the money to file and kept putting it off, so I did it. It was an embarrassment to be married to him while he was acting like that. I also needed to separate myself financially from him, as he was running up debt and running down my credit along with his. That doesn't mean the divorce was my idea or that it was all my fault. Sometimes, you have to act to make things better.

I don't KNOW that the divorce was Jon's idea, but I'm just saying that just because someone filed, that doesn't mean they were the one who instigated the divorce.

Marsha

That is a good point, Marsha.

According to Kate, she filed to protect the assets. Jon had withdrawn a large amount of money back in July and that caused her to go ahead and file.

 

[madge]

That would depend on the language within the contract in regards to a cancellation policy for those speaking engagements.

It would be hypocritical to condemn her for "breaking" a contract if there is language within the contract that allows it to be broken.

Since we are not privy to the language of the contract, it really is a moot point of discussion as neither "side" will have evidence to support their position.

the speaking engagements that were canceled were ones scheduled by Jon and Kate when they were handling their events themselves. I don't know how structured they were and whether or not there were stipulations about cancelations.

While this isn't a contract (and we have seen this before), this does show the nature of what was expected to book Jon & Kate at a church:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-kate-speak-your-church-you-better-read-first

They obtained professional representation, and appearances were canceled shortly thereafter. Coincidence? We'll never know.