Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Back in the early days of the show, I'm not sure that being on TV was particularly damaging. To me, the most damage being done right now is their parents waging war against each other through the media. I know that experiencing their parents go through a nasty divorce is difficult for those kids. I can only imagine how hard it is to have the glare of camera's (from both the show and the tabloids) constantly on them. (And not to mention, seeing your parents constantly degrade each other in the media).

I can't see how anyone can look at what is going on right now and think that this show is a good thing for the kids. They deserve privacy and a chance to have a normal life out of the spotlight!

I don't think any change for the kids is good right now, including stopping the show. It should be done gradually in my opinion. Too much change just adds more stress and stability is needed. I don't doubt that the kids miss the film crew, just like the must miss their dogs.

Any changes right now need to be done s l o w l y.

I agree the most damaging thing the kids are facing now is a mother and father that want to speak about this divorce when they should be silent.

 

[mla1977]

Do people talk this way about the Duggers?

I'm sure people say other things about the Duggars and how they chose to live there life. So far though, they haven't allowed their celebrity to change who they are from what we've seen. I do believe that the vow renewal is a TLC programming scheme. (I haven't seen last weeks episode, but did see the previews)

 

[DreaGirl]

I'm sure people say other things about the Duggars and how they chose to live there life. So far though, they haven't allowed their celebrity to change who they are from what we've seen. I do believe that the vow renewal is a TLC programming scheme. (I haven't seen last weeks episode, but did see the previews)

I believe there is a Duggar thread on this board.

IMO what you see is what you get with the Duggars. If you watch the first episode and watch last weeks episode you see the same family living the same life. They survived and thrived without the TV show money for many years.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Do you see nothing wrong with a parent being unable to support their kids unless the kids are filmed for a TV show?

That is exactly the point. Is the show the ONLY way they can support their kids? Of course not.

I didn't see the Today interview, but I wish someone would ask Kate, "Is the money from this show really worth everything that this family is going through?" I understand that the money provides them opportunities they wouldn't have otherwise (like limo rides to concerts, bodyguards, and nannys). However, I don't see how anyone could sell their kids' lives for a chance at fame and fortune!!

Yup, that is the crux of the matter here and pretty much what we all argue about on this thread. I think Kate is suffering from self-delusion perhaps. She really thinks that the only way for them to survive is by doing the show.

I think those are just the withdrawals that the arbitrator knows about and has demanded information on (and has yet to receive it). From what I gather, there has been no information provided since Kate filed for divorce (which the arbitrator has also demanded), except that she is said to have set up a revocable trust for the children either shortly before or after filing (I can't remember which) into which she stashed much of their cash. This is over and above the amount set aside for college, which was already in place.

And I think this is all confusing because each side is only presenting half of the story (and the only information that Team Jon has was either supplied to them by Kate's lawyers or the arbitrator)

We know Kate is extrememly controlling so it's no surprise that she is in control of the $. Sounds like she might be in trouble with the arbitrator too if she doesn't provide documentation for all her withdrawals. Sheesh, it's not just her money, she hasn't been the only one doing the show, the whole family has.

I didn't see the Today interview, but I wish someone would ask Kate, "Is the money from this show really worth everything that this family is going through?" I understand that the money provides them opportunities they wouldn't have otherwise (like limo rides to concerts, bodyguards, and nannys). However, I don't see how anyone could sell their kids' lives for a chance at fame and fortune!! That was a quote from luvmy3jewles

Her standard answer is usually "we can only go forward, we can't go back"

We should rename the thread with that! "We can only go forward, we can't go back."

I think it's ridiculous to think Kate could support all her children working as a nurse. She also does not think, as someone mentioned, that others should support her. If she did she would be on welfare, which many end up on with that many kids. And remember, she didn't have 8 children on purpose or out of irresponsibility.

Actually, when Kate had the babies she said that it was the responsibility of society to help her out because society advocates the use of fertility drugs. She then petitioned the judge for a longer length of time to use the free nursing she'd been receiving for the sextuplets after they were a year old.

 

[MsAmerica]

I was probably one of the biggest Kate haters before all of this nonsense started however, I have had a complete 180 regarding their situation.

A former business partner of mine went through a divorce about ten years ago and acted the same stupid way Jon is acting now. I had so much stress due to his constant shenanigans that I dissolved our partnership before his divorce was final.

"Joe", we will call him "Joe" spent his entire day trying to figure out a way he wouldn't have to pay her any alimony, how he could limit his child support payments, how to get out of helping pay for his kids education, etc. He even had himself committed to a psychiatric hospital for an "attempted" suicide so he could explain why he couldn't work and make as much as he did before. He told Judge after Judge he couldn't pay the ex the alimony due to his mental illness. All made up situations to hurt his soon to be ex and his children.

He would take large amounts of cash out of their joint accounts and say he went to the casino and spent it when in reality he was giving it to his new girlfriend so they would have $$$ once his divorce was final.

Every day, Jon Gosselin does something that reminds me of something "Joe" did in order to screw over his ex and his children. To this day, such actions make me ill.....

I think what is the most disturbing thing about Jon is that he took a bunch of money out of the bank and is directly hurting his children in ways he doesn't even understand yet. He has put a cease and desist on the show, has no job himself, has no real way of supporting his own children besides doing public appearances at clubs and bars and appears to have become a serial dater.

Whether one likes or dislikes Kate, I do see a women who is trying to keep this gravy train going because she doesn't have any desire to be poor again, and I can respect that. Jon, on the other hand, seems to want to destroy the entire enterprise of "Jon and Kate" just to show the world he has a pair!!!

All of Jon's actions seem very spiteful to me and honestly, if I hadn't seen such horrible behavior from a person I knew well myself, I don't think I would believe such actions were possible.

Also, Jon's new lawyer was disbarred from the State of NY for five years in the past due to unethical practices. I think others comments about Heller are spot on. He probably is a friend of Michael Lohan, another pathetic example of a father. Jon's choice of friends says a lot about his character, imo.

Finally, I really feel for those kids. They are adorable little innocents in all of this....


Just my opinions

MsA

 

[DreaGirl]

I don't think any change for the kids is good right now, including stopping the show. It should be done gradually in my opinion. Too much change just adds more stress and stability is needed. I don't doubt that the kids miss the film crew, just like the must miss their dogs.

Any changes right now need to be done s l o w l y.

I agree the most damaging thing the kids are facing now is a mother and father that want to speak about this divorce when they should be silent.

I don't agree about stopping the show slowly. I believe that someone needs to sit down with the kids and explain boundaries and private time. Then explain how the cameras aren't going to be there, but they are still going to have a great (if not better) private life. I can't see Kate (or Jon) doing this in a positive way, so maybe a social worker or counselor.

I do agree that the kids are being damaged by their parents right now. It is common knowledge that divorce is very hard on kids and having your parents on national tv programs and magazines doesn't help.

Who knows what they are saying behind closed doors. It makes me shutter to think how Kate (and Jon) are explaining this to the kids.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

I'm sure people say other things about the Duggars and how they chose to live there life. So far though, they haven't allowed their celebrity to change who they are from what we've seen. I do believe that the vow renewal is a TLC programming scheme. (I haven't seen last weeks episode, but did see the previews)

Do the Duggers exploit their children? It is obviously the same thing. And I believe the husband stays home, I'm not too sure, but they make some of their money from land they own and rent out. They have 18 children so I guess that makes them more exploitive. Sorry 17 and 1 on the way?

 

[talulabelle]

Do people talk this way about the Duggers?

No, because they were already supporting themselves before thier show. They were and are self sufficient. They are truly in love. They treat each other kindly. They are good religious people that are true Christians, not people pretending to be Christians so that they can hit the church circuit and make more money off thier kids. They actually practice what they preach. The show came to the Duggars. Jon and Kate went looking for their show. They spent all thier time looking for donations when they had the kids to the point that Jon lost his job over it.

People do say horrible things about the Duggars on here, but they are usually socialist/communist hateful types that would like to see America have a 2 child a family limit and think anyone that would be open to life and against birth control for religious reasons but be insane rather than accepting that families are different and everyone has a right to their religious beliefs. The Duggars back up their beliefs by being responsible for their own selves. They never put their hand out or took donations like Jon and Kate. No sense of entitlement there. Also they aren't tag-teaming the media for attention over a super nasty divorce right now.

 

[lilybrooke14]

I watched Kate's interview on the Today show, and I just came away from it frustrated. Really? $230,000 was all of the money they had between them? Riiiiiight. Yeah, I know that they've got money in accounts for the kids. I get that. But do they really have no savings? Are they really working on one single bank account for the two of them? There is absolutely no where that she can pull from to keep her bills current? Uh huh. Sure.

He absolutely should not have touched that money if the arbitrator said that he couldn't. I'm not sure I'm buying what she's selling though.

Quick, somebody take some paper towels out and set them in front of the gate.

Here's an idea you two psychos, with all the money you've been throwing around for the last few years, and all the money you're bound to slow pitch to your respective attorneys in the next few....uh..unforeseeable future, how about tossing some of it to someone who can actually handle your money for you. Before you spend it all. Oh wait......

Bummer.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

We know Kate is extrememly controlling so it's no surprise that she is in control of the $. Sounds like she might be in trouble with the arbitrator too if she doesn't provide documentation for all her withdrawals. Sheesh, it's not just her money, she hasn't been the only one doing the show, the whole family has.

If Kate hadn't controlled the money, there may not be any today for them to argue about.

As far as the withdrawals, again we don't know how factual this paper from Mark Heller is at all.

 

[WaltD4Me]

But people suffer all kinds of setbacks in life all the time and survive. First they could sell the mansion and move to their old house that is still for sale. Get rid of Steve, since he seems like the trigger to the problem in the first place. Just have the babysitters for work purposes only. Jon would have to pay child support and find a real job.

Other single mothers support large families without handouts. Have your family help with babysitting. Just because Kate wants to live a celebrity lifestyle doesn't mean she should be exempt from working just like anyother person.

I've said before that I really hope they keep the house. And not for the "lifestyle" but because there is enough upheaval and change going on right now in those kid's lifes, moving anywhere just seems like way too much for the kids to take in. They really seem to love that house and it does offer them some security and privacy.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

No, because they were already supporting themselves before thier show. They were and are self sufficient. They are truly in love. They treat each other kindly. They are good religious people that are true Christians, not people pretending to be Christians so that they can hit the church circuit and make more money off thier kids. They actually practice what they preach. The show came to the Duggars. Jon and Kate went looking for their show. They spent all thier time looking for donations when they had the kids to the point that Jon lost his job over it.

People do say horrible things about the Duggars on here, but they are usually socialist/communist hateful types that would like to see America have a 2 child a family limit and think anyone that would be open to life and against birth control for religious reasons but be insane rather than accepting that families are different and everyone has a right to their religious beliefs. The Duggars back up their beliefs by being responsible for their own selves. They never put their hand out or took donations like Jon and Kate. No sense of entitlement there. Also they aren't tag-teaming the media for attention over a super nasty divorce right now.

There is absolutely no difference whatsoever. They have 17 kids, 1 more coming and make money off of this show. The only difference is they are obviously in love. Which just makes me feel sorry for the Gosselins not judgmental.

 

[brittsmum1998]

I watched Kate's interview on the Today show, and I just came away from it frustrated. Really? $230,000 was all of the money they had between them? Riiiiiight. Yeah, I know that they've got money in accounts for the kids. I get that. But do they really have no savings? Are they really working on one single bank account for the two of them? There is absolutely no where that she can pull from to keep her bills current? Uh huh. Sure.

He absolutely should not have touched that money if the arbitrator said that he couldn't. I'm not sure I'm buying what she's selling though.

Quick, somebody take some paper towels out and set them in front of the gate.

Here's an idea you two psychos, with all the money you've been throwing around for the last few years, and all the money you're bound to slow pitch to your respective attorneys in the next few....uh..unforeseeable future, how about tossing some of it to someone who can actually handle your money for you. Before you spend it all. Oh wait......

Bummer.

 

[sandramaac]

Do the Duggers exploit their children? It is obviously the same thing. And I believe the husband stays home, I'm not too sure, but they make some of their money from land they own and rent out. They have 18 children so I guess that makes them more exploitive. Sorry 17 and 1 on the way?

No, that is 18 kids and another on the way!!
plus one grandchild on the way too!!!

 

[momrek06]

I lurk here more than I post but I have posted a number of times....anyway I just wanted to ask you all....aren't you and the rest of the country getting tired of hearing about the Gosselins 24/7. I turn on my 'puter to now read that Jon has now emptied their bank account and Kate has finally taken her ring off.......crap this is just getting so old. I so wish the media would not spend so much time on the Gosselins. We have so many other pressing issues to deal with in this country than the having the Gosselins on the front page all of the time.

Ok vent over. Sorry, my brother is leaving for Afghanistan.

 

[talulabelle]

There is absolutely no difference whatsoever. They have 17 kids, 1 more coming and make money off of this show. The only difference is they are obviously in love. Which just makes me feel sorry for the Gosselins not judgmental.

Huge difference. He is a real estate mogul. He has supported all of his kids on his own all this time and still can if the show ended tomorrow. Kate and Jon had the kids with no way to support them other than beg for donations and pretend they were big Christians who could go take money from churches to do "talks" on how to raise a large family. Gosselins =hypocrites. Duggars = normal large family that has agreed to do show for extra money that they don't need to survive. Duggar show focuses more on the way the parents handle it than the kids (esp. the little ones that don't have a choice) The Duggars don't have camera following their kids into the potty like the Gosselins did. If you've watched both families, you see a big difference.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

No, that is 18 kids and another on the way!!
plus one grandchild on the way too!!!

Wow.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

When Kate was on the phone with "The View" all I could think is she has made herself the world's biggest victim.
Her marketing people are brilliant......they have versed her from being the b**** to victim.

I loved when she said the "The View" girls I miss you like they were friends & nobody responded! HA!

 

[brittsmum1998]

Gotta say, I love the Duggar kids. I find they have a great albeit dry sense of humor that cracks me up. I feel that whereas the majority are old enough to speak their mind that it would be easier to see that this is their choice along w/ their parents.

I just feel like the Gossellin kids being so young and being filmed so much are more under the "spell" of their parents.

I would also hope that IUF or IVF or whatever...would not be used MULTIPLE times to get 18 kids (and counting of course) . Please lets not debate fertility issues

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Huge difference. He is a real estate mogul. He has supported all of his kids on his own all this time and still can if the show ended tomorrow. Kate and Jon had the kids with no way to support them other than beg for donations and pretend they were big Christians who could go take money from churches to do "talks" on how to raise a large family. Gosselins =hypocrites. Duggars = normal large family that has agreed to do show for extra money that they don't need to survive. Duggar show focuses more on the way the parents handle it than the kids (esp. the little ones that don't have a choice) The Duggars don't have camera following their kids into the potty like the Gosselins did. If you've watched both families, you see a big difference.

From what I've seen and them going to thrift stores, finding every way possible to save a dime, they OBVIOUSLY NEED THE MONEY. Absolutely no difference then. The episode I just saw showed the mother stating how the kids were complaining and having a hard time with some of the questions and long hours of shooting from the camera people. But bc they're together and better "Christians" in your mind and a couple here, they don't get judged. But real Christians are taught not to judge.