Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[Promomx2]

Off to the Air Show today to see the Blue Angels...

Is this the airshow at Cherrypoint, NC?

 

[teriGSF]

Anyone see the promo for the new season?
I love how they try to trick us into thinking it's going to be full of more drama than it actually will be.

Apparently it's the first time Jon and Kate have spoken to each other or something ridicuous like that.

Thanks for pointing that one out. I went to the site to check it out, and it's hilarious. The narration is so ominous - I love reality TV editing.

 

[DMRick]

She took what was offered - no problem there - but was then demanding it be extended beyond the cut-off date because it was "society's obligation" to help her raise these children after she and Jon chose to have fertility treatments - knowing full well that it would likely result in multiple births.. That's quite a bit different from making use of what is available - according to the guidelines - for whatever time period it's allowed - and then demanding it continue beyond the allowed time period because it's "society's fault"..

If she didn't get it extended, good for the government. If she did, then there was prob something in place to allow it. Doesn't matter why she demanded it, she wouldn't get it if it wasn't allowed.

Unemployment in NYS is good for 6 months. But do many people know if you fight it, with certain reasons you can often get it extended? If she got it extended and it wasn't supposed to be, shame on the government. If it was good for the children it be extended, then good for the government. Perhaps even knowing there might be mulitples, was different than actually having them, and being overwhelmed, just like some have said they were with one child. I have no idea if the entire quote was there, or of why she thought she was entitled. I'm glad that she didn't continue to be a drain on society, and it does appear the children are well taken care of. Until I hear differently, that's all I have to go by. Maybe some day they will be posting on a board saying they don't like their mom or dad and never talk to them...but they won't be alone, there are many intact families that don't get along.

The money they have made may also allow this divorce, if there is one, to be less telling on the children than the thousands and thousands of children of divorced parents who don't have much in the way of housing, clothing, etc. or time with their custody parent (because the working custody parent is never home..which is not what we can honestly say of Kate. She does spend time with them, just not enough to suit everyone). Maybe they have done a good job with the kids, (which is all you can ask of anyone who has decided to end their marriage) and it will be OK for them.

The saying has always been, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

 

[themilesfamily]

Someone mentioned Princess Di,
didn't she do the same thing with her body guard?
She ended up calling him all hours of the day, and someone got a hold of the phone messages and sold her out and gave them to the tabloids.

Yes! That is what happened with Princess Di. I had forgotten about that. I believe that particular bodyguard was later killed in a car or motorcycle accident.

Looking at it through a woman's eyes, I can see the appeal of a "big, strong man who is there to protect you and devote every minute to you." How appealing that must seem when your marriage has gone sour and you're not feeling loved or cared for by your spouse. Of course, it's a big mistake for everyone involved -- it's delusional to think that it's somehow your golden ticket out of a bad situation -- but I can imagine the temptation.

Oh goodness, now there is another mother of sextuplets with a show on WE (Women's Entertainment Network.) It looks like a one-hour reality docudrama called -- wait for it -- "OMG! Sextuplets!" I watched about 5 minutes of it and just had to turn it off. One interesting thing they said about the money aspect of having sextuplets -- they estimated it would cost $1000 a month for DIAPERS ALONE. I can see why people get desperate for money in these situations.

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

Do you think that no one on this thread prays for those children every night? Prays that maybe - just maybe - Jon & Kate could save their marriage, ditch the show, and live happily ever after - without their children (and at this point, they themselves) constantly being in the public eye?

Do you think that people on this message board - or any other message board - don't pray for homeless people? Children who are starving? Children with life-threatening disease? World peace? Elderly people who can't make ends meet?

I guess I didn't realize that it had to be a case of "all or nothing" when conducting our daily lives and watching what is unfolding in the world around us..

Not starting anything here, but I just wanted to say that I didn't get that from TotalSnowWhite's statement at all. JMHO.

 

[C.Ann]

Wait, I found the article....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1400462/posts

Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:27:46 PM by Wolfie

Mother of sextuplets faces loss of Medicaid-funded nurse

WYOMISSING - A Berks County woman with year-old sextuplets and 4-year-old twins will appeal for continued nursing help from Medicaid beyond a one-year cutoff.

Kate Gosselin, whose husband has a 90-minute commute to a state job in Harrisburg, said she cannot safely manage eight small children.

The sextuplets - only the second set born in Pennsylvania and among fewer than 30 sets born worldwide - arrived 8 weeks premature but are thriving as they near their first birthday Tuesday.

"I will shout from the highest mountain that these are my children and I love them and I need help," Kate Gosselin said.

While the Gosselins appreciate the volunteers who streamed through their home in the early months, the children's routines improved with the arrival of Angie Krall, a licensed practical nurse who spends 30 hours a week with the family. Medicaid provides the temporary nursing support for premature babies, Gosselin said.

"She's fine-tuned and I trust her," Kate Gosselin said of the nurse, Angie Krall. "She's as good as a parent in this home."

The family cannot afford to pay Krall on their own, she said. Jonathan Gosselin, an information technology specialist who now works in the Gov.'s Office, was unemployed for much of last year.

Kate Gosselin said she feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births.

She has talked by telephone with Bobbi McCaughey, the Carlisle, Iowa, woman who delivered the world's only set of surviving septuplets in November 1997. McCaughey named the loss of privacy and the oversight of volunteers as among her biggest difficulties, Kate Gosselin said.

On the bright side, the Gosselin babies seem to have skirted the health problems that can plague premature babies and multiples. Each now weighs between 18 and 22 pounds.

"I look at six healthy babies and I feel a lot better, because it could be a lot, lot worse," Jonathan Gosselin said

If she didn't get it extended, good for the government. If she did, then there was prob something in place to allow it. Doesn't matter why she demanded it, she wouldn't get it if it wasn't allowed.
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So you don't see a problem with this statement:

Kate Gosselin said she feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births.

A choice that she and her husband made - with no arm twisting.. Interesting..

Then I wonder why people were so up in arms over the recent mom who was on welfare and went on to have all of those babies at once? If we are to follow Kate's line of thinking, then "society" is to blame for promoting the use of fertility drugs - and should bear the responsibility for her/their "choice" - not an "accident"; not a terminal disease; not an unexpected job loss; not a natural disaster.. Hmm.. Interesting - interesting indeed..

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

I agree with you C.Ann on taking advantage of the government. I don't think its right. I have a cousin who keeps having babies she can't afford to have, living on every government program she can get on b/c she knows she can, and then she lied to get food stamps, too. (she's currently pregnant with her third child, they have a one year old, and a going on six year old). She told me that she was going to "take advantage" of the government as long as she can.

It makes me angry b/c I work hard all day (for a government office) and I pay for my own way, while she sits at home having babies and living off the government. She has the same sense of entitlement that Kate has. It irritates me.

And as a side note: I don't have a particular issue with people who need government assistance, its those who live off of it b/c they are lazy and KNOW that they can and don't try to help themselves first. Its those people who continue to have children that they can't support but refuse to use birth control.

 

[DMRick]

It's one statement...one that you have privy to, to know it was said just like it was reported, right? And even if it was, I have no idea where she was mentally at the time she said it. You can't understand that? She had 6 kids at once, and her thoughts were with them and their health. Heck, her hormones may have been raging, who knows. Sure, she could have made a choice and aborted some but she's certainly not the first person to speak out and say something that sounds stupid. It was nursing care for her children. Obviously (to me anyway) it didn't bother a bunch of people that she said it. She went on to get help, and a TV show. Her taxes have prob paid back all the help she got, which is more than most others can say when they get medicaid (and I don't have a problem with that either. If I got to pick where my taxes should go, health care and medicaid would be my #1 priority). She said the children improved with the nurses care. If my children's care improved, I would fight for more help too. I would say whatever I had to say, to get my children help, especially help that already was in place and showed that my children benefited from. In fact, she did, to quote your quote, according to that article, she said "I will shout from the highest mountain that these are my children and I love them and I need help," Kate Gosselin said.

That said, I wish the government would step in and start preventing how many eggs can be planted, but that would prob be against someone's civil rights.

So you don't see a problem with this statement:

Kate Gosselin said she feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births.

A choice that she and her husband made - with no arm twisting.. Interesting..

Then I wonder why people were so up in arms over the recent mom who was on welfare and went on to have all of those babies at once? If we are to follow Kate's line of thinking, then "society" is to blame for promoting the use of fertility drugs - and should bear the responsibility for her/their "choice" - not an "accident"; not a terminal disease; not an unexpected job loss; not a natural disaster.. Hmm.. Interesting - interesting indeed..

 

[happygirl]

I don't think Jon and Kate had kids to get government assistance

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

I don't think Jon and Kate had kids to get government assistance

I don't think that they did either. I guess what bothers me most in regard to J & K was/is their sense of entitlement to all things. Not just government assistance. Just my take on it.

Some people do not, however, prevent pregnancies b/c they are well aware they will get government assistance. JMO.

 

[newtodis]

they were saying this on the radio station I listen to also. They said it was convenient that this is all coming out now that their season premier is just a week away.

TLC is playing it up too. I saw the commercial last night for the new season and they very dramatically said, "Jon and Kate together for the first time since the news broke"

Well the People article (I think) Kate said they are not/can not (can't remember which word she used) be interviewed together so maybe this is the first time they're together to be asked what's actually going on.

Is it bad of me to think that this could all be faked (marriage problems) just to get bigger ratings? I hope they wouldn't stoop that low, but you just never know.

That seems to be how shows like GMA and HLN (Good Morning America and Headline News) were spinning the story.

Is this the airshow at Cherrypoint, NC?

No Beaufort, SC It was really great! Just got back home and had to check in to see if there were any new videos or anything today... Now we're going to have a quick dinner then hit the pool with the kids and some friends. They're doing the air show again tomorrow. DH said he'd go back but we already have pool plans for tomorrow. The Blue Angels were awesome - I think that's my first time ever seeing them. Everyone did an awesome job!

Looking at it through a woman's eyes, I can see the appeal of a "big, strong man who is there to protect you and devote every minute to you." How appealing that must seem when your marriage has gone sour and you're not feeling loved or cared for by your spouse. Of course, it's a big mistake for everyone involved -- it's delusional to think that it's somehow your golden ticket out of a bad situation -- but I can imagine the temptation.

Oh goodness, now there is another mother of sextuplets with a show on WE (Women's Entertainment Network.) It looks like a one-hour reality docudrama called -- wait for it -- "OMG! Sextuplets!" I watched about 5 minutes of it and just had to turn it off. One interesting thing they said about the money aspect of having sextuplets -- they estimated it would cost $1000 a month for DIAPERS ALONE. I can see why people get desperate for money in these situations.

I can certainly see where the temptation could come from. It's hard to remember (I would guess) that you're his "job" to take care of instead of someone he's choosing to be with.

Another show?? Yikes! Hadn't seen or heard of that one. Didn't Jon say there were only like 13 other sets of sextuplets in the US?

I don't think Jon and Kate had kids to get government assistance

No I think the point that was trying to be made was that they had the babies and wanted everyone to help foot the bill with them. It's one thing to *need* the assistance and another to use that as a crutch IMHO.

As for the Detroit DJ, if he saw them holding hands, he's not the only one and I'm sure someone somewhere got a picture. I know I would have - I always have a camera in my purse!

 

[DMRick]

I would agree with the story you tell too, but that wasn't the case here. Medicaid has in place a nurse to help with not only these situations, but I know when my mom was dying of cancer, she too had nurses, and a limit as to how long she could have them. Should I say thank God we didn't have to see what would happen if she outlived the timeline? If this had been my children, I too, would have fought for help. I imagine it was a lot different thinking about having 6 and actually having them.

The babies did well with the nurses care, and didn't have many of the things that often go wrong after multiple births. Would you have liked to deny them the care? Would you have rather she aborted some of them (which ones wouldn't be here now?) so it wouldn't have been a problem paying for the care. Has Kate and Jon shown themselves to be lazy? Are they sitting home now and not earning money and not paying taxes? Are they continuing to milk the government? (Of course some do not agree with the path they took either, but it is different from what you are talking about imo.) I agree someone should not be able to sit home and just collect money to have children.

And as a side note: I don't have a particular issue with people who need government assistance, its those who live off of it b/c they are lazy and KNOW that they can and don't try to help themselves first. Its those people who continue to have children that they can't support but refuse to use birth control.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

Do you think that no one on this thread prays for those children every night? Prays that maybe - just maybe - Jon & Kate could save their marriage, ditch the show, and live happily ever after - without their children (and at this point, they themselves) constantly being in the public eye?

Do you think that people on this message board - or any other message board - don't pray for homeless people? Children who are starving? Children with life-threatening disease? World peace? Elderly people who can't make ends meet?

I guess I didn't realize that it had to be a case of "all or nothing" when conducting our daily lives and watching what is unfolding in the world around us..

Did you, by any chance, read the post I quoted? That person said it was selfish to pray for "unimportant" things, more or less. I was saying that if we got into a debate about what was more important in life, conversing about another family's problems probably isn't high on the list.

In fact, did you even read my post? Maybe there's some projection going on here, because I think it's a stretch, and a really big one at that, to get that I was saying it was "all or nothing."

 

[happygirl]

I guess I missed where they asked for people to give them stuff

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

I would agree with the story you tell too, but that wasn't the case here. Medicaid has in place a nurse to help with not only these situations, but I know when my mom was dying of cancer, she too had nurses, and a limit as to how long she could have them. Should I say thank God we didn't have to see what would happen if she outlived the timeline? If this had been my children, I too, would have fought for help. I imagine it was a lot different thinking about having 6 and actually having them.

The babies did well with the nurses care, and didn't have many of the things that often go wrong after multiple births. Would you have liked to deny them the care? Would you have rather she aborted some of them (which ones wouldn't be here now?) so it wouldn't have been a problem paying for the care. Has Kate and Jon shown themselves to be lazy? Are they sitting home now and not earning money and not paying taxes? Are they continuing to milk the government? (Of course some do not agree with the path they took either, but it is different from what you are talking about imo.) I agree someone should not be able to sit home and just collect money to have children.

I wasn't actually referring to Jon and Kate when I said that it irritates me that people do not use birth control knowing they cannot afford any more children but do anyway b/c they know the government will take care of them. I was more or less referring to my cousin and others like her who will openly admit it, those who do not work who are perfectly capable of working.

I didn't say that J & K were lazy, nor did I infer that the government assistance was not needed, however the government DID provide them nursing care for a year. I wonder, though, because I honestly don't know the answer, was the nurse needed for their actual health or because KATE needed an extra pair of hands to help her during the day, IOW, a babysitter provided by the government?

 

[DMRick]

Just as an aside, you might not want to respond to this kind of post, lest it be taken as arguing religion. I think many of us knew what you were saying, and understood you completely but we really can't let religion come into this thread, or we'll lose it.

Did you, by any chance, read the post I quoted? That person said it was selfish to pray for "unimportant" things, more or less. I was saying that if we got into a debate about what was more important in life, conversing about another family's problems probably isn't high on the list.

In fact, did you even read my post? Maybe there's some projection going on here, because I think it's a stretch, and a really big one at that, to get that I was saying it was "all or nothing."

 

[DMRick]

I don't know (I don't even know if they got an extra year), but the same article said the kids did better than most premature babies do, and maybe the nurse helped, with that, maybe she didn't.
And I do agree with you that your cousin is taking advantage, especially if she comes out and says she is. I don't know how you stop the government help, because if you do stop it, it's the kids that get hurt.

I didn't say that J & K were lazy, nor did I infer that the government assistance was not needed, however the government DID provide them nursing care for a year. I wonder, though, because I honestly don't know the answer, was the nurse needed for their actual health or because KATE needed an extra pair of hands to help her during the day, IOW, a babysitter provided by the government?

 

[DreaGirl]

I guess I missed where they asked for people to give them stuff

Someone posted it, but on their website they had a list of things that they wanted/needed. They were also all over the newspaper and television asking for things.

 

[DreaGirl]

I don't know (I don't even know if they got an extra year), but the same article said the kids did better than most premature babies do, and maybe the nurse helped, with that, maybe she didn't.
And I do agree with you that your cousin is taking advantage, especially if she comes out and says she is. I don't know how you stop the government help, because if you do stop it, it's the kids that get hurt.

They didn't get an extra year.

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

And to add to my above post, NO, I would never wish for anyone to have an abortion of any type unless it was absolutely MEDICALLY necessary (to save the mother's life). I personally don't believe in abortion, but what may be unethical to me might be the right choice for others.

I do however agree with a poster above who said that the government should put a limit to how many eggs could be implanted. Jon and Kate knew the risks for multiples, and they also knew if they themselves could afford more children, and because of their decision to carry on with the fertility procedures, they ended up with eight very lovely children.

I would never wish for any of those children not to be brought into this world. I do hate that they are going what they are going through now for this will surely have an impact on their young lives. There are children all over the world who are put into horrific situations every day. And do I feel that any of their lives should have been brought to an end before they've even had a chance to live - NO. I do wish and pray however, that men and women would be more responsible with their actions so that their children do not have to pay the price.

I've made mistakes in my life, as well, those that I am least proud of, but I've learned from them and I've become a better person, I think because of the lessons that I have learned. I hope that whatever happens between Jon and Kate, I hope that they become stronger parents for it. In other words, putting their childrens happiness and well-being above all. Kate chooses "happiness", but what does she mean by that? We'll see.

My happiness came from within. Where will hers and Jon's come from? Well, that's totally up to them.