Jon and Kate non bash post

[Pooh93]

I posted this on the other thread, but decided to add a little to it and post it here also.

Fast forward 10 years or probably less as savvy as kids are at surfing the internet. They search their names and see all of the “nice” things posted about their parents. They start asking questions:

Kids: Dad, why did everyone say how you cheated on mom and took your girlfriend on trips? Why were you out partying instead of being at home with us?

Jon: I did not cheat on your mother, but I did not communicate well enough to your mother how unhappy I was. I did what I thought was right, since you are MY kids.

Mom, why do all the people on the internet say horrible things about you and say that you drove daddy away and that you deserved what you got,

Kate: Yes, I was out of control and made many mistakes. I did not communicate well enough with your dad to tell him how unhappy I was. I did what I thought was right, since you’re are MY kids.

Kids: But you say that you love us, why didn’t you just talk and say you are sorry to each other and try to stay together…….What did we do wrong? Is it because you had too many of us?

I also agree that alot of the blame has been placed on Kate, but it takes two people to make or destroy a marriage. Although Kate has alot of help, at the end of the day, she is going to be the one shouldering the responsibility of answering alot of the questions as to why "daddy isn't there anymore." I don't envy her position.

Jon even made the comment last night when they were walking out of that restaurant that he wouldn't be seeing the kids as much. I hope he does not become a drop in dad, only show up when he feels like it because he's out doing what "he wants to do, because he's only 32 years old."

In the end I think they better find a way to let the anger go between them, because some day they will be dealing with the anger of 8 children and it won't be pretty.

 

[Gabes_mommy]

To me Jon is like a lot of people I've come across. Nice guy, but all of a sudden decides that he doesn't like how "his" life is going or is "bored" with things so he basically walks out on his family. Sorry...to me you made a decision to get married and have a family. I don't care that he says he's "only 32 and not sure what he wants to do". This is the decision you made. Figure out a way to make it work.

Why the heck even have the institution of marriage where you take these vows...and he even just renewed his....and then get to "change your mind"?

Too easy for people to change their minds and then decimate their kids lives. Then they say it's best for the kids. Yeah right...tell that to a 4 year old.

I've seen it happen too many times. People need to grow up and accept their responsibilities instead of running away from them all the time.

Sorry...this subject just gets me all heated up because I've been through it too much in my life.

I totally agree! I was appalled when Jon said he was "excited" about his new life.

 

[mansionterror]

I knew it was coming but it still made me sad. When Kate kept saying she didn't want to do this alone and be alone it just broke my heart. Then you look at Jon with his newly pierced ears and his excitement over his new life, ugh I just want to shake him. You could clearly see who is thinking about the children and it isn't Jon.

 

[SnowWhite607]

I am usually not a Kate fan, but last night broke my heart! She seemed so genuinely sad and upset and he was so nonchalant about the whole thing. I was floored when he said he was "excited". Even hubby who saw that part said "Yeah, he's done."

But I was wondering........if they say they are separating to get peace and stop fighting in front of the kids, why dont they just make an effort to stop? I mean, why divorce?? Take a vow that they wil not say hurtful or angry words to each other in front of the kids and stick to it (if they both have their kids best interests at heart as they say). I wonder if they even tried that? Counseling is another option.

She said they could "make nice" for holidays and birthdays, why not every day? Just one day at a time and who kows what could happen?

I felt so sorry for her last night.

 

[DVCisME]

I wonder if Jon is excited because maybe he recently took a job. That seems like a possibiliy for the move and not being around so much lately.

 

[TupperMom7]

All marriages have rough spots and being on National TV I am sure makes it even rougher. How can you be yourself when you are constantly in front of a camera? Jon seemed like he was ready to move on already. He seemed to have it all planned out - talked about a schedule a lot.

Kate's last comments got me thinking that she is hoping for reconciliation. She said that she thinks they will all get through this and come out on the other side stronger and realize that together they can do anything. Or maybe she was just talking about her and the kids being stronger and together, but I was thinking that she meant with Jon. She also said she doesn't want to do this alone.

So is the show going to go from Jon & Kate plus 8 to some kind of other show, like Life without Jon?

 

[december14disney]

I totally agree! I was appalled when Jon said he was "excited" about his new life.

When he said this both me and my fiance turned and look at each other in shock. I can not believe that he has no remorse, no pain. I felt bad for Kate. Yes she has a strong personality, etc. but I think she had to because Jon has always been so lackluster raising those kids. No hes "only 32" and needs to "live his life". Im sorry. But I dont care if you were 18 and Kate accidently got pregnant with 6 kids. Youre their Dad and you make it work. What bothers me is that they never said they would try counseling or even seperating for a couple months BEFORE filing for divorce. It was like he didn't even want to try.

"Excited"....my Lord.

 

[DMRick]

I wonder if Jon is excited because maybe he recently took a job. That seems like a possibiliy for the move and not being around so much lately.

When he talked about scheduling time for the kids he said maybe he would get a job and then the schedule would have to change. He didn't seem happy even when he had a job, didn't seem happy when he didn't and was a sahd. I don't think he knows what he needs to be happy.

 

[mickeyboat]

When he talked about scheduling time for the kids he said maybe he would get a job and then the schedule would have to change. He didn't seem happy even when he had a job, didn't seem happy when he didn't and was a sahd. I don't think he knows what he needs to be happy.

I thought he was talking about scheduling time for the shoots for the show - not scheduling time with the kids.

 

[ead79]

Well, last night's episode broke my heart.

I hate to see a couple divorce, and of course I hate it for the kids as well since they have absolutely no say in what their parents choose to do.

In last night's episode, it truly seemed to me that Jon no longer wants to be involved. I am hoping that he still remains an active part of the kids' lives, but a few comments he made sounded to me like he just wants out of the whole entire situation. To me that is inexcusable. As others have already mentioned, his comment about being excited about the future rubbed me entirely the wrong way, as did his comment about only being 32.

My heart broke for Kate because I truly think she was caught off-guard by Jon's new behavior. Personally, I couldn't stand how unbelievably disrespectfully she treated him in years past, and I think that was probably a contributing factor to why Jon is so dissatisfied now. However, he seems completely unwilling to try to work it out. While it's certainly not our business, it didn't sound like they had gotten any counseling, which I think is an unbelievable shame. It just didn't sound like they had tried anything structured at all to try to resolve the situation. Since neither of them were great at communicating with one another, I think a marriage counselor could've really helped them.

I'm just so very, very sad.

 

[DMRick]

I thought he was talking about scheduling time for the shoots for the show - not scheduling time with the kids.

I'll have to look at the tape again when I get time. I thought he was talking about the schedule he and Kate worked on on going back and forth to the house to be with the kids that might change, if he gets a job.

 

[torinsmom]

Speaking as a woman who had a man check out of marriage and fatherhood, I feel really bad for Kate and the kids. My ex seemed to think that our son did not exist when he was not around; he would stay away for a month and then want my son to be happy to see him like nothing had happened. He is still like that over 10 years later.

My feeling is that Jon NEEDS to stay away until he has himself somewhat together. He can do a lot of harm to those kids(especially the twins) if he has a bunch of losers around them. If I was Kate, I would be documenting everything and going for full custody, at least for now. Maybe after their contract is up, they will end the show and she can focus on making things more normal for the kids.

Marsha

 

[JaxJags08]

The topic of this thread should be changed to a Kate non bash post. I've read a few pages and it seems we're all free to criticize Jon, but poor ol' Kate. Like she had no part in this marriage failing.

 

[Starbrite]

The topic of this thread should be changed to a Kate non bash post. I've read a few pages and it seems we're all free to criticize Jon, but poor ol' Kate. Like she had no part in this marriage failing.

At this rate - I bet there will be a Kate-Bashing thread, a Jon-Bashing thread & a seperate Make Love Not War thread.

 

[Dr_Finkelstein]

The topic of this thread should be changed to a Kate non bash post. I've read a few pages and it seems we're all free to criticize Jon, but poor ol' Kate. Like she had no part in this marriage failing.

That's why this thread was started, as the official thread seemed to be just a criticise Kate thread. I'm sure you'll read plenty of that over there!

 

[Dr_Finkelstein]

I see Jodi and Kevin have 'helpfully' done another interview with radaronline.......as always they are doing this for the kids.

Charming people. How I wish they were my relatives

 

[Buckeye Gal]

.....they never said they would try counseling or even seperating for a couple months BEFORE filing for divorce. It was like he didn't even want to try....

(I eliminated the poster's name of the above quote only because I didn't want her to think I was directing my comments to her. It's for the general population of participants on the thread.)

Although we can make assumptions, we do not KNOW that they did not go to counseling. That's absolutely a legally private choice. They even could have worked with their pastor (although I would say a more trained professional would be most suiting). What we do know from their own words is that they've been dealing with turmoil for at at minimum 6-8 months, and as Kate said, if they were to be really honest with themselves, it's been longer.

As far as a separation goes, it's been my perception that they've been doing just that. In the season premiere episode, there were many references to them being apart. Their schedules this year would likely find it impossible for them to be on the interview couch at the same time. Kate was away working while Jon was at home with the kids. Kate was home planning birthday parties and such, and Jon was "taking the weekend off". Jon asked Leah if she had missed him, and she stated she didn't want daddy to leave again. Coming from a 5 year old, to me that sounds like he had been gone a lot. She sure did hang onto that hug for a long time. Jon also had been away taking care of his mom, which may be true, but may also have been an intentional break.

The topic of this thread should be changed to a Kate non bash post. I've read a few pages and it seems we're all free to criticize Jon, but poor ol' Kate. Like she had no part in this marriage failing.

I would like to see the thread get back to no bashing as it was originally intended. Obviously the majority of us on this thread feel sorry for the whole event(s) to have transpired to what it's become.

 

[purplegirl247]

Kate's last comments got me thinking that she is hoping for reconciliation. She said that she thinks they will all get through this and come out on the other side stronger and realize that together they can do anything. Or maybe she was just talking about her and the kids being stronger and together, but I was thinking that she meant with Jon. She also said she doesn't want to do this alone. :

I'm wondering if the episode wasn't taped a few weeks back and perhaps the two were trying at reconcilation back then (well, Kate anyway, from what she said). Maybe the original episode was going to announce a separation but something happened "over the course of the weekend" (from Kate's press release) that made them move more quickly?

Sorry if that theory has already been thrown out there; it's tough to keep up with both threads!

 

[happygirl]

The topic of this thread should be changed to a Kate non bash post. I've read a few pages and it seems we're all free to criticize Jon, but poor ol' Kate. Like she had no part in this marriage failing.

There is always one that has to try to stir the pot. It oblivous you are a Kate hater. You can go to the other thread there are ton of Kate haters over there.

 

[happygirl]

ugust
By Joyce Eng Tue Jun 23, 11:19 AM PDT

Jon & Kate Plus 8 will go on hiatus until August following the Gosselins' separation announcement on Monday's episode, TLC said in a statement.

"TLC continues to support the Gosselin family and will work closely with them to determine the best way to continue to tell their story as they navigate through this difficult time," the statement read.

The network said Monday's upcoming episode will be a retrospective clip show on Jon and Kate's 10-year marriage. The next new episode will air Aug. 3.

"During this time the family will take some time off to regroup and then a modified schedule will be in place to support the family's transition," the statement concluded.

TLC ordered 40 episodes for the season — the series' fifth — but only six have aired.

During their separation announcement on Monday's highly anticipated episode, both Jon and Kate said the show will continue. They said their children will remain in the Wernersville, Pa., home while they will alternate living there. "We interview separately, we'll film different things," Jon said. "Me and the kids, her and the kids."

Jon and Kate never used the word "divorce" to describe their plans in the episode, but Kate filed for divorce in a Pennsylvania court hours before the episode aired. On-screen text later in the episode said that legal papers were filed Monday to dissolve the Gosselins' marriage.

"Over the course of this weekend, Jon's activities have left me no choice but to file legal procedures in order to protect myself and our children," Kate said in a statement. "While there are reasons why it was appropriate and necessary for me to initiate this proceeding, I do not wish to discuss those reasons at this time, in the hope that all issues will be resolved amicably between Jon and myself. As always, my first priority remains our children."

Jon said in a separate statement on Monday that Kate filed divorce documents and that he is "deeply saddened" to be divorcing.

"This afternoon, Kate filed for divorce. Our kids are still my number one priority. I love them and want to make sure they stay happy, healthy and safe. My job is being the best, most supportive and loving father that I can be to my kids, and not being married to Kate doesn't change that," he said in the statement.

"This will be a difficult transition for all of us, but Kate and I will work out a schedule that enables our kids to have plenty of quality time with both of us at home in Pennsylvania. In terms of my marriage, it's no secret that the past six months or so have been very difficult for Kate and me. We are no different than other couples and parents who are facing a crossroads in their marriage. I am of course deeply saddened that we are divorcing."