John Kerry's WDW comment

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by disneyatl
With that comment, Disney shouldn't add him to the Hall of Presidents (if he wins).

What comment?

 

[mortimer45]

Originally posted by dmadman43


I found it quite funny that Kerry chose to believe a CIA report that said terrorism in Iraq will increase, yet was all to happy to cite the CIA as incompetent for giving Bush questionable data on WMD. So, when the CIA delivers bad news, they are good, when they deliver any other news, they are bad?

I take it you are equally amused with the way Bush liked what they say when it suited his purpose and chose to ignore it when it did not?

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by mortimer45
I take it you are equally amused with the way Bush liked what they say when it suited his purpose and chose to ignore it when it did not?

Good point. However, the difference being, Bush is IN the White House. He can do what he wants with the information. Kerry is trying to convince us he should be. Thus, he needs to be more consistent on his positions. Of course, if he ever bothered to show up for Senate Intelligence Committee meetings he might be able to speak with more credibility

 

[mortimer45]

I see, so the fact that Bush is in the WH and privy to infinitely more information than the rest of the population somehow entitles him to a pass when he flip flops on the intel he gets? Gee, I might have thought Bush actually being in the white house might have been cause for him to be held to a higher standard. But apparently you are so determined to be right you are willing to back the president no matter what logic tells you.

The intel was appaarently not all that good for WMDs and yet he chose to believe that Sadaam had WMDs. Believe it so firmly he was willing to let Americans die for that belief. And now that they say things are not going well in Iraq, Bush says he chooses not to believe their "guesses". Sounds to me like fantasy land is a perfectly appropriate description for someone who believes what suits his purpose and ignores reality.

 

[KevinNYC]

Hopefully, this will all be over soon..and as to Kerry and WDW..I hope the voters give Kerry a "FAST PASS" back home to Mass. for good..the sooner and quiter the better

 

[CLynnJones]

I look forward to the end of this all as well. I hope they give Bush a Fast Pass back to Frontier Land where he belongs.

 

[Superjoint_Ritual]

Originally posted by tomshelley
Bush living in "fantasyland"

In a campaign speech Wednesday, Kerry noted he had arrived from Orlando, Florida, home of Disney World and its Fantasyland attraction, but "the difference between George W. Bush and me is I drove by, he lives in it."

Yesterday, he implied that visiting Iraqi Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, was living in the same "fantasyland."

As huge WDW fans, we were greatly offended. Not only is fantasyland "The happiest place on earth," it is a place that inspires optimism that the world can actually be a better place.

We think John Kerry would be a better candidate if he were forced to take about 100 laps through It's a Small World (if it were open). Then he might think twice before offending WDW fans and visiting world leaders.

Get A life!! Sorry for sounding like A jerk but hell I love Disney probally as much as you but I dont let it get involved w/ my political views.

So does this mean your not going to vote for him because of this? If so then expect 4 more years of A war that we werent supposed to be in. Open your eyes woman!!!!!!!!

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Kerry sure thought we should have been in that war, as he was as pro-war as any US Senator until recently when he realized he had to change his positions to advance in the polls.

 

[Mom2Ashli]

Kerry voted for this War that you say we are not supposed to be in. But now all of a sudden he decides to change his mind. Why because he needs the votes.

You make it sound like we went to war for NO reason. Did you forget 9/11? We didn't ask for that to happen. But at that time all of America was willing to fight back. No matter what President Bush would have done, somebody would be finding fault with him. He just couldn't please everyone.

I see why alot of people understand and back Kerry, it's because they are flip floppers just like him so it all makes sense now.

 

[grumpy55]

Mom2Ashli


Bush supporters have argued again and again that no one actually believed there was any connection between Iraq and 9/11.

You make it sound like we went to war for NO reason. Did you forget 9/11?

Thank you for proving them wrong.

 

[LoraJ]

Originally posted by Mom2Ashli
Kerry voted for this War that you say we are not supposed to be in. But now all of a sudden he decides to change his mind. Why because he needs the votes.

You make it sound like we went to war for NO reason. Did you forget 9/11? We didn't ask for that to happen. But at that time all of America was willing to fight back. No matter what President Bush would have done, somebody would be finding fault with him. He just couldn't please everyone.

I see why alot of people understand and back Kerry, it's because they are flip floppers just like him so it all makes sense now.

As a resident of the NYC metro area I CAN"T STAND IT when someone uses the "have you forgotten 9/11" line. None of us have forgotten and we sure HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN WHO WAS BEHIND IT!

IRAQ was NOT behind 9/11 nor did they have the capabilities to attack the US.

When since his vote to back a war IF Necessary did he change his mind? We had a thread about this last week.

 

[Peter Pirate]

A recent poll found that 40% of Americans still believe there actually was a connection between Saddam and the 9/11 bombings. Unbelievable.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by Mom2Ashli
. Did you forget 9/11?

NO, we did not forget 9/11. This has to rank up there with the all-time stupid, and offensive, questions ever asked.

Here's one for you: Did you forget who was behind 9/11? Take a wild guess. And just in case your memory's playing tricks on you, let's eliminate 1 answer...........it wasn't Saddam Hussein.

Just to refresh your memory, most of us who opposed the war in Iraq wholeheartedly supported Bush when he went to war in Afghanistan. Did you forget that? Or did you ever know it?

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by grumpy55
Mom2Ashli


Bush supporters have argued again and again that no one actually believed there was any connection between Iraq and 9/11. Thank you for proving them wrong.

Amazing isn't it.

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by LoraJ
IRAQ was NOT behind 9/11 nor did they have the capabilities to attack the US.

It certainly appears they didn't have the capability. Of course before the invasion most thought they did. Including foreign countries intelligence as well as US intelligence. And I seem to remember many US Senators making statements to that fact as well. Even some Democrats. The fact that we have not found any capability since the invasion does not change the fact that most thought it was there prior to the invasion.

Originally posted by LoraJ
When since his vote to back a war IF Necessary did he change his mind? We had a thread about this last week.

I guess that would be now.

"We should not have gone into Iraq knowing today what we know," Kerry told ABC. "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein, I would not have voted to support war."

John Kerry 9/29/04

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040929/ap_on_el_pr/kerry&cid=694&ncid=716

Bush challenged Kerry to answer whether he would support the war "knowing what we know now" about the failure to find weapons of mass destruction that U.S. and British officials were certain were there.

In response, Kerry said: "Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it was the right authority for a president to have."

John Kerry 8/9/04

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52839-2004Aug9.html

What information, if any, did Senator Kerry get between 8/9/04 and 9/29/04 to alter his view on voting for authorization?

Richard

 

[disney4us2002]

Originally posted by richiebaseball

What information, if any, did Senator Kerry get between 8/9/04 and 9/29/04 to alter his view on voting for authorization?

Richard

Polls? Just my opinion of course. I've also read that perhaps he agrees that it was right to give the authorization but how dare Bush actually use that authorization.

 

[grumpy55]

Originally posted by disney4us2002
Polls? Just my opinion of course. I've also read that perhaps he agrees that it was right to give the authorization but how dare Bush actually use that authorization.

What a convenient twisting of the facts. Cannoy you not understand the basic premise that the president needed the authorization to be able to properly negotiate and that is why many voted to give it to him. That, and because they actually believed Bush when he said he had no immediate plans to use the authorization to go to war.

Why is it that when this has been explained over and over again in very clear terms, people insist on repeating the same lie over and over again?

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by richiebaseball
What information, if any, did Senator Kerry get between 8/9/04 and 9/29/04 to alter his view on voting for authorization?

Richard

I hope you're sitting down, Rich, because you're about to get an honest answer from a Kerry supporter.

What information did Kerry get between 8/9/04 and 9/29/04? The answer is simple.........free-falling poll numbers. There, I've said it.

Which, not for one blessed minute, will it change my vote from Kerry to Bush. And the reasons for that are the following:

1) I think Bush has royally screwed up Iraq, and if Iraq is the central front for the war on terror as Bush claimed, we're in trouble.

2) I believe Bush lied to the American people when it comes to the war in Iraq. While me may not have lied about the WMD's, although I wasn't privy to what went on in the Oval office concerning itelligence and neither was anyone else here, he did commit a lie of ommission in not specifically spelling out that Saddam Hussein had no hand in 9/11 and no operational relationship with Al-Qaeda. When you take a country to war, especially one like this one in which you have to build a country from the bottom up, you level with the American people.

3) No one in this administration has taken the fall for failing to understand the insurgency, the disgusting acts at Abu-Grahib, the misjudgements in troop strength, cost of the war, etc. The Bush administration has been wrong about everything when it has come to Iraq.

4) Any president who makes the claim, as Bush did last week, that criticizing a foreign leader is somehow giving aid and comfort to the enemy, is either too stupid or too dangerous to be in the WH.

5) Without the need to be re-elected, I feel the neo-cons/extreme rightwing in the Bush administraton will be given a free rein.

I could go on and on, but we've been through this ad-nauseum.

Am I really voting for Kerry........no. I'm voting for "not Bush".

I know what Bush is and I don't want him back. I'll take my chances with Kerry.

 

[dmadman43]

IRAQ was NOT behind 9/11 nor did they have the capabilities to attack the US.

For the umpteenth time, no one in the administration, ever, said Iraq was behind 9/11. That fact that there are naive gullible people that take part in polls that may believe that doesn't indicate the adminisration ever said it. I wish someone would produce the quote showing the administration saying that.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by ThAnswr
I hope you're sitting down, Rich, because you're about to get an honest answer from a Kerry supporter.

What information did Kerry get between 8/9/04 and 9/29/04? The answer is simple.........free-falling poll numbers. There, I've said it.

Which, not for one blessed minute, will it change my vote from Kerry to Bush. And the reasons for that are the following:

1) I think Bush has royally screwed up Iraq, and if Iraq is the central front for the war on terror as Bush claimed, we're in trouble.

Apparently Kerry believes that, too:

"Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq. More than 1,000 of America's sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their country, on behalf of freedom in the war on terror. I think that the first thing that every American wants to say today is how deeply we each feel the loss."

-John Kerry on DNCNN's Wolf Blitzer

2) I believe Bush lied to the American people when it comes to the war in Iraq. While me may not have lied about the WMD's, although I wasn't privy to what went on in the Oval office concerning itelligence and neither was anyone else here, he did commit a lie of ommission in not specifically spelling out that Saddam Hussein had no hand in 9/11 and no operational relationship with Al-Qaeda. When you take a country to war, especially one like this one in which you have to build a country from the bottom up, you level with the American people.

Please produce the quote where Bush, or anyone in the administration said Iraq was involved in 9/11. As for Saddam's relationship with Al-Queda, you can refuse to believe it all you want. The evidence is against you, however.

3) No one in this administration has taken the fall for failing to understand the insurgency, the disgusting acts at Abu-Grahib, the misjudgements in troop strength, cost of the war, etc. The Bush administration has been wrong about everything when it has come to Iraq.

I'll give you this. You have the talking points down. I suppose you too believe Prime Minister Alawi is a puppet?

4) Any president who makes the claim, as Bush did last week, that criticizing a foreign leader is somehow giving aid and comfort to the enemy, is either too stupid or too dangerous to be in the WH.

I see it differently. Any candidate for President that is running on his supposed ability to build a "true coalition" and being a master in international relations that comes right out and calls the Prime Minister of a country we are responsible for helping to rebuild a puppet and claims that that Prime Minister is wrong about what is going on in his own country when that candidate hasn't even set foot in that country is is too stupid or too dangerous to be in the WH. But, you vote your heart. Gotta admire you for that. (I'm not sure about the brains, though)

5) Without the need to be re-elected, I feel the neo-cons/extreme rightwing in the Bush administraton will be given a free rein.

Here comes the boogey-man!! Boo!!!!

Am I really voting for Kerry........no. I'm voting for "not Bush".

I know what Bush is and I don't want him back. I'll take my chances with Kerry.

Sincerely, I admire you honest for finally admiting you are not voting FOR Kerry, but against Bush. Because I can't imagine any intelligent person voting FOR Kerry.