Discussion in 'The DIS Unplugged Podcast' started by k5jmh, May 27, 2012.
Do you see DCL going to Jamaica?
Saw this story over on the DCL board and had to laugh. Sorry, I'm not impressed with Jamaica as a cruise port. Of course I'm not impressed with Nassau either so perhaps the same strategy would be appropriate - stay onboard.
I agree with you Jeff.
I'll be in the spa!
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Sorry, this is OT...but if you guys had never been to the Bahamas would you stay on the ship? We are on the Dream stopping at Nassau and my first reaction was "I'm staying on the ship!" but no one else listens to the podcast and all want to make plans for Nassau. My brother wants to check out Atlantis, my two nieces want to do the Dolphin Experience at some island (not the Atlantis Dolphin experience) my sister and SIL want to go shopping and my BIL wants to scuba dive (he is certified) I would like to see my nieces do the dolphin thing, but I keep hearing Pete in my head "Nassau's a slum, stay on the ship!"
On PCC 1.0 one of our tablemates went to Atlantis and his report was actually very good. Good enough that we seriously considered it the next 4-5 times we stopped there. But not quite good enough for us to actually do it.
Does that help? Didn't think so.
We have been there 3 times and never gotten off the ship. We have also talked about going to Atlantis, but, alas, it has never gone any further than talk.
I was just on the 3 night Dream a couple weeks ago. I stayed on the ship.
We have been a few times and gotten off the ship twice. The first time because we had never been there and once more just to purchase something we missed the first time. Don't stay on the ship just because everyone says stay on the ship. Do what you want to do. Everyone is different. I know people that love Nassau and people that hate Nassau. You might be doing yourself an injustice if you stay on the ship and miss Nassau because some people told you not to get off the ship. Who knows you might get off it and love it. Atlantis is amazing, and there are some other nice areas also. And as for the slums.....what city doesn't have a slum area?
If all you're planning to do is get off the ship and walk around then don't bother. If you're thinking about a planned activity such as Atlantis or swimming with the dolphins I would say go for it. Especially if members of your party have never been to the Caribbean,
We got off on r first cruise, but just to walk around and get our passports stamoed (THAT was an experience!). Also, one of my sons collected Hard Rock t-shirts, so we stopped by the HR and gpt some stuff. We did not go to Atlantis since one of the kids was not 21 yet and couldn't gamble. We thought about the City Tour or going up to the fort to see the view, but ended up just shopping a little on the main drag and heading back to the ship. Haven't felt a need to get off since.
I think we might feel the same about Jamaica (Couples Resort in Ocho Rios) although we did honeymoon there waaayyy back in 1983, so it might be fun to check it out "for old times' sake"!!
I'll wait to see if this actually happens. I kind of doubt it will.
You make a good point, Scott. I have been on various Caribbean cruises pre-DCL, so I knew what my expectations were going in. I haven't been to Atlantis since it was built, but I did go to the Paradise Island side of the island for water activities before. It's fun, but I've been to the port of Nassau enough times that staying on the ship is actually my own preference.
I've also done the Jamaica port a few times, and each time, the experience was progressively sadder, as the country has a wider economic gap, and it shows. Even 20 years ago, the street vendors accosting ship booked tours were seriously aggressive. I walked a gauntlet of people trying to sell us stuff as we were heading into Dunn's River Falls. I bet a lot of cruise passengers were extremely intimidated by the experience, which probably cut Jamaica off as a cruise port over the years.
I wish I did buy one of the intricately carved walking sticks I saw some selling. Those were worth the artistic value of buying, rather than the cheap tshirts and other junk crap being sold back then.
I rarely weigh in on these sorts of topics, but speaking personally, I would NEVER go on a cruise that stopped in Jamaica. Not because of a lack of port activites or general economic conditions, but because of their official stance on gay rights.
Jamaica has official policies and an overall anti-gay culture that make some Mideast countries look downright progressive. Stories of brutal rape and murder of people even just suspected of being gay are legion. Jamaican politicians run on platforms of strong anti-gay bigotry. Jamaican musicians have invented an entire genre of music the celebrates the murder of gay people. In addition, because being gay in Jamaica is actually illegal, crime against gays goes largely unchecked and in some cases is even encouraged by the authorities.
Time magazine has called Jamaica "the most homophibic place on Earth" (also noting it has the world's highest murder rate too). Pretty much sums it up for me. So, sorry Jamaica, I won't be getting off the boat. Moreover, I won't be getting ON the boat if I know some chunk of my fare is going to the Jamaican government (even just for port fees). Personally, I hope Disney does not do business with this country.
Chris, I hadn't realized just how bad gays are oppressed in Jamaica. I thought I had read some similar comments about Nassau. Knowing that you do get off the ship there I'm guessing its not as bad. Can you enlighten me about that?
While their stance on homosexuality is enough of a reason not to go there, I just wanted to state that Jamaica does NOT have the world's highest murder rate. The city that I live in(New Orleans) has a higher murder rate than Jamaica. Jamaica's is not good, just not the worst.
^ This fairly accurately describes how we feel as well.
I'm not saying that we would NEVER get on a cruse ship that docked in Jamaica, (DCL or otherwise) but I will never step foot in that country again.
Back in 2008, Keith and I spent 5 nights in a Sandal's resort, and even encapsulated under that corporate umbrella I felt the hatred for "our kind".
I hated and resented each and every dollar that were obligated to leave there, and make NO mistake - that will NEVER happen again.
Am I obsessed, in the larger sense, that Disney might make it a port of call in the future ? meh. Not really. It IS a fascinating place to explore and experience for families.
But, will they get another red cent of our money ?
Not bloody likely.
It's a personal call. I realize that families save for years to afford a Disney cruise, and objectively speaking, Jamaica is a fascinating place to explore.
Just don't expect me to be a part of it.
There's something to be said for "down days" on the ship and drinking and sunning by the pool, followed by a spa visit and just some relaxation, in general.
I will, however, at the risk of being deleted ask you to ask yourself THIS question: It's NO secret that the Disney culture everyone that is reading this loves and adores was created by no shortage of gay and lesbian men and women.
Do you really want to contribute to a culture that has musicians that have created a music and a culture that celebrates the murders of homosexuals, while the rest of the inhabitants seem to take that horrible notion in stride ?
I'm just throwing that out there.
And your other PCC 1.0 table mate went to Atlantis during PCC 2.0.
It was lovely. I don't gamble as a rule so that wasn't the draw. It was the design and architecture--the colors, the shapes, the stories.
Getting back to the ship was a riot in and of itself and well worth the trip to Atlantis in its own rite. The taxi-van driver sped around the city dodging parked cars and pedestrians, whizzing along alleys. I was lucky enough to be in the front seat next to her and asked her tons of questions about her town. She was proud of Nassau and I could tell she felt honored to show it off.
Nassau and the Bahamas aren't nearly as bad as Jamaica in terms of anti-gay crimes. Being gay was decriminalized there in 1991 and gays can even serve openly in the Bahamas military. Not to say that the Bahamas is fantastic (crimes against gay victims largely go uninvestigated, for example), but they're not nearly as bad as Jamaica.
Note: As I work with statistics for a living, please forgive me while I geek out here a little...
It is true that Jamaica no longer has the world's highest murder rate. The Time magazine article I referred to (when that statement was true) was from 2006. Based on 2010 data from the UN, Jamaica is currently 3rd in the world behind Honduras and El Salvador.
Both Jamaica and New Orleans had murder rates of about 52 per capita (per 100,000 people) in 2010. But, the population of New Orleans is about 350,000, while the population of Jamiaca is nearly 8 times greater at about 2,700,000. Doing some back-of-the-envelope math, that means that there were about 182 murders in New Orleans in 2010, but there were about 1404 murders in Jamaica in 2010. So, even though the per-capita rate is similar between New Orleans and Jamaica, the body count is much greater in Jamaica.
FYI, the murder rate for the Bahamas in 2010 was about half that of Jamaica, with a population very close to the population of New Orleans. So, you can pretty much say that you're twice as likely to die in New Orleans as in Nassau.
Yay! Fun with statistics!
Oh great. Now you tell me. Here I am about to eagerly board a plane to New Orleans to spend a long weekend there, but I won't get off the ship in Nassau.
I was the tablemate from PCC 1.0 who went to Atlantis. It is a breathtakingly beautiful resort. I would put it up there with the Venetian or Bellagio in Las Vegas in terms of class and beauty. Probably a bit higher even. Yes, it is pricy, and I don't think I would pay the big bucks to stay there, but the aqauriums are amazing (and very Disney-esque in terms of theming) and the public areas of the complex are very beautiful.
I took the cheapest DCL-offered excursion to Atlantis, which gets you a bus ride over and back and a tour of the aquarium. More expensive than taking a cab, but worth it to me to not have to haggle with a local cab driver or worry about the ship leaving without you. After the tour, you have the afternoon to spend as much time as you want milling around the resort or gambling (I don't gamble, so I had some good (but overpriced) conch chowder for lunch there instead.)
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