I've Been Vaccinated (No Politics Please)

[pangyal]

I booked my dad this morning for Friday at Sunnybrook (Toronto) for his first shot and booked my mom for an AZ shot at a pharmacy next Tuesday. The Toronto-area pharmacies are currently out of vaccine, but expect to get more this week. I haven’t been super worried about either of them, but I’m more relieved that they’re up for their turns so soon than I thought I was! It’s so nice to be hearing positive stories around this nonsense of a year for once.

 

[Donald - my hero]

Anyone in Ontario know if retail workers that work in general retail, say like a clothing store are included in phase 2? My daughter and her coworkers are trying to figure that out. The information isn’t very clear.

this information comes from my health unit which has done a great job at making the provincial information more understandable for the average person. This would be where clothing stores fall,

If you want to see the entire breakdown of what each phase includes go to this website and click on the arrow to see the drop down list
https://www.wdgpublichealth.ca/your...accine-information/pre-register-your-covid-19

 

[TammyLynn33]

I too also worry about the delay. What if at 3 months efficacy is down and we get another wave ? And no one would know until cases start popping up in those vaccinated once in people who feel “ safe “ ..
I’m also concerned as they have done the booking now in very small groups and it’s a gong show. When they open to second group it will be a million times worse .

 

[wdwmom3]

I’m kind of concerned about the 4 months too. Although I do feel there is some science behind it. And I’m hopeful it won’t actually be 4 months. Looks like the US is in really good shape with their vaccines and once they are even further along maybe they will let the companies start shipping from their US plants here? That would speed up us getting vaccines and we could shorten the 4 months.

Also I don’t think the later groups will have to wait 4 months at all. If they get most people done 1st shots by June, and the increased supply is there they can move quicker with second shots.

 

[Average Joes]

No other country that I am aware of is doing a four month delay in vaccinations. We are essentially a large experiment. My non-medical background has tried to read up on it. I think it does make some sense. There is apparently a high protection rate with just one dose. Without using the real numbers if, for example, you are getting 70% protection on 10 millions people vs 95% for 5 million you want to choose vaccinating 10 million. Not only are you protecting an extra 5 million you are protecting those they come into contact with possibly less virus shedding.

Of course the issue being how much, if any, impact does the delay cause in the effectiveness over the short and long term? From the little I read we are gambling but it seems like a good bet. We just don't have the same supply as other countries. Perhaps someone with a medical background can explain it better or point to an article.

 

[starvenger]

I think you did a good job with the tl;dr summary.

 

[wdwmom3]

Now if we can get a significant amount of J&J that would change a lot. No need for second doses with that one, and more doses of the others would be available to speed up the second shots.

 

[FigmentSpark]

As a 59 year old, I wonder how Ontario came up with the '60 and over' number and worry that a simple math bias (for numbers divisible by 5) will affect my health. That said, I guess they have to put a cut off somewhere. I would like to know when they estimate the next age group being eligible. So far, I've just seen anywhere from June to Aug.

 

[pigletto]

As a 59 year old, I wonder how Ontario came up with the '60 and over' number and worry that a simple math bias (for numbers divisible by 5) will affect my health. That said, I guess they have to put a cut off somewhere. I would like to know when they estimate the next age group being eligible. So far, I've just seen anywhere from June to Aug.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/ontarios-covid-19-vaccination-plan#when-you-can-get-the-vaccine
It’s still ”July and onwards” for those of us in phase 3. I think everyone is feeling anxious and sick of waiting. Things are picking up speed however and looking better every day. I am hoping that the timeline will shorten once we are receiving more vaccine and production speeds up. For now I just keep telling myself September and choosing to be patient because I don’t really have another choice.

 

[FigmentSpark]

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/ontarios-covid-19-vaccination-plan#when-you-can-get-the-vaccine

It’s still ”July and onwards” for those of us in phase 3. I think everyone is feeling anxious and sick of waiting. Things are picking up speed however and looking better every day. I am hoping that the timeline will shorten once we are receiving more vaccine and production speeds up. For now I just keep telling myself September and choosing to be patient because as I don’t really have another choice.

Agreed, but it's frustrating to be that close.

 

[mort1331]

As a 59 year old, I wonder how Ontario came up with the '60 and over' number and worry that a simple math bias (for numbers divisible by 5) will affect my health. That said, I guess they have to put a cut off somewhere. I would like to know when they estimate the next age group being eligible. So far, I've just seen anywhere from June to Aug.

Just think of it as the 7dmt cue. Your winding your way around, get excited about going into the mine ( add another age group) wind your way around the barrels, reach the merge of fastpass (your group) and then it whips you onto the ride. Once on it never felt like you waited an hour inline.
It will be here soon enough for all. They are really ramping things up now. I believe they put those wait times long to be worse case ,and it will be quicker. Just like the cue times...hang in there

 

[Donald - my hero]

Just think of it as the 7dmt cue. Your winding your way around, get excited about going into the mine ( add another age group) wind your way around the barrels, reach the merge of fastpass (your group) and then it whips you onto the ride. Once on it never felt like you waited an hour inline.
It will be here soon enough for all. They are really ramping things up now. I believe they put those wait times long to be worse case ,and it will be quicker. Just like the cue times...hang in there

I love this! Reminds me of when we came home last year and when we entered the very full customs hall a little voice piped very loudly "WHICH LINE IS THE FAST PASS MOM???"you could tell the people who'd been on the flight with us, we were the ones giggling it's a great way of looking at things though.

I just keep telling myself that last year at this time they weren't even sure if they'd be able to come up with a vaccine in less than 2 years

 

[bankr63]

Of course the issue being how much, if any, impact does the delay cause in the effectiveness over the short and long term? From the little I read we are gambling but it seems like a good bet. We just don't have the same supply as other countries. Perhaps someone with a medical background can explain it better or point to an article.

Interestingly, it's probably not those in Medicine who make these assessments and drive the decisions. That would be the pure scientists; the biologists and virologists along with actuaries and statisticians. To me those in Medicine (or practicing medicine) are the applied scientists (Physicians, Sugeons, NP's).

There isn't enough data to actually KNOW what is going to happen - these vaccines haven't been around long enough to know. But we put our trust in the consensus thinking of the scientific community to know that it is probably the best path. (Most interestingly, it is probably the politicians who will get skewered if they are wrong, but I digress and run close to the set boundary).

So sure, we might need a 3rd shot if they are wrong, but I am willing to get a 3rd shot later if thousands or more are saved. Actually, we don't even know yet how long the recommended 2-shot path of vaccination will last. There is a very good chance we could be rolling up our sleeves every fall from now on to get our covi-flu injections.

 

[wdwmom3]

Interestingly, it's probably not those in Medicine who make these assessments and drive the decisions. That would be the pure scientists; the biologists and virologists along with actuaries and statisticians. To me those in Medicine (or practicing medicine) are the applied scientists (Physicians, Sugeons, NP's).

There isn't enough data to actually KNOW what is going to happen - these vaccines haven't been around long enough to know. But we put our trust in the consensus thinking of the scientific community to know that it is probably the best path. (Most interestingly, it is probably the politicians who will get skewered if they are wrong, but I digress and run close to the set boundary).

So sure, we might need a 3rd shot if they are wrong, but I am willing to get a 3rd shot later if thousands or more are saved. Actually, we don't even know yet how long the recommended 2-shot path of vaccination will last. There is a very good chance we could be rolling up our sleeves every fall from now on to get our covi-flu injections.

Not sure where I read or heard this. But apparently the only reason the manufactures recommend 21 or 28 days is because that’s the interval they used in there trials. They didn’t test it using a bunch of different intervals and decide that number of days is best.

And it was an unplanned delay in some of the AstraZeneca doses that led to them finding out that it was more effective when they waited 12 weeks.

There was science behind the decision to delay doses.

 

[ottawamom]

That is true of many medications on the market. I know my son takes one and it is just as effective after the recommended 30 day (toss it out). Often practical application of a medication and what the manufacturer have tested and therefore recommend are two completely different things.

 

[samsteele]

My understanding is that the UK is already preparing for a booster shot to be given this coming Fall to update AstraZeneca. I watch UK nurse instructor Dr. John Campbell on youtube and believe this has been discussed in some detail. I suspect this will be the case globally and if, because of our slow rollout and low vaccine supply in Canada, we don't get a booster this Fall, its likely we'll need one next Winter or Spring. I'm prepared for this to be like an annual or even biannual shot for many years to come.

 

[juniorbugman]

My Mother got her shot today in Scarborough, Ont. No line and her appointment was for 10:30 and she got her get out of jail card and it said 10:42. Her return date is sometime in July. She got the pfizzer one. My sister had booked her appointment through the Scarborough Health Unit site not the Ontario Govt site and they went to Progress Campus of Centennial College not the Scarborough Town Centre location. Easy peasy.

 

[bababear_50]

My Mother got her shot today in Scarborough, Ont. No line and her appointment was for 10:30 and she got her get out of jail card and it said 10:42. Her return date is sometime in July. She got the pfizzer one. My sister had booked her appointment through the Scarborough Health Unit site not the Ontario Govt site and they went to Progress Campus of Centennial College not the Scarborough Town Centre location. Easy peasy.

So happy everything went so well!
Hugs
Hon
Mel

 

[Sue M]

We’re Booked for our jabs at the end of the month. My husbands age group came up so I phoned for him. After she booked my husband booking person asked if I wanted an appt. i told her it wasn’t my age group yet. She asked my DOB then said since I’m within 10 yrs of husband I’m eligible! Yay.
I will get whatever they’re giving out! But probably Pfizer or Moderna.
Looking forward to when our daughter can get hers, she works in daycare. I think beginning of April she felt School staff and daycare will be eligible.

 

[bababear_50]

Ex hubby got his shot today ,,,lol. such a baby ..................... I am happy for him even though he can be a royal pain in the backside sometimes.
He is kindly taking my car in for an oil change and snow tire change over (mechanic) ,,, see me making an appointment for him brought me good Karma. lol
Hugs
Mel