Is this legal in the USA..???

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Littlegem

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Hi all,

Just a quick question.... I will be off to the wonderful land of Mouse, on the
4th of October, and will have my Disabled baby son Travis ( 20 months old)
with me....

I just need to know if its legal to put his Special car seat in the front passenger seat, as I don't want him to sit alone in the back while I am driving..

I don't want to get fined accidently.. :sad1:

The seat faces forwards so should not be affected by any airbag thats fitted in the hire Van.. I should have a Chrysler "Town & Country" Mini van..

Thanks in advance for any info you may have... :flower3:

Hazel:)
 
If the van has a passanger side airbag then you should not put him in the front seat. Is it illegal? Not sure about that but it is not safe. If the airbag went off it could harm/kill your baby.
 
If it's a Chrysler mini van it probably has automatic airbag sensors. My Chrysler does so when my girls and I travel on long trips my youngest age 9 and 55 pounds sits in her booster seat that looks like a car seat in the front with me and her weight and the seats weight turn the airbag off on her side.
 
It is illegal in Florida to have a baby in a car seat in the front seat. You child will have to go in the back seat.
 

I have a Chrysler minivan and even with the advanced sensor airbags, the manufacturer says not to put a child in the front seat.
Even long ago, when my kids were little, I had their forward facing car seat in the back. I could still see them with the rear view mirror and they could see me.
 
Thanks for the Infomation everyone...

Looks like Travis will be riding in the back after all..
I knew I had heard somewhere that he couldn't ride in the front.. :(

I forgot to mention that he's also blind , so here at home, I like him to be within hands reach if he gets upset for any reason.

Oh well, At least he will be extra safe if mummy has a bump! :upsidedow

Thanks again.. Hazel :)
 
No doubt it's safer, but after checking quite a few websites, I couldn't find anything in the Florida law that says they must be in the back seat. Safer, yes. Law, I'm not so sure. Can anybody find where it says that?
 
GEM if you notice I live in Florida and have been told this numerous times by friends who are policemen and highway patrolmen. We have asked because a number of my friends are deaf and do not hear their child if the child is in the back. They would prefer to have the baby in front with them but cannot legally.
 
From the Florida Driver License Manual: (Bolding and Red were added by me so you could find the applicable portion of the law easier.)

Safety Belts
Florida law requires all occupants of cars, pickup trucks, and vans who are 6 years of age or older to wear seat belts, regardless of seating position. Passengers 16 and older can be fined individually for violating this provision. Drivers will be held responsible and fined for passengers 15 years old and younger who are found unrestrained. Children infant through 3 years of age must be properly secured using a crash-tested, federally approved child restraint device. Such restraint device must be a separate carrier or a vehicle manufacturer's integrated child seat. For children aged 4 through 5 years, a separate carrier, an integrated child seat, or a seat belt may be used. This seat belt law applies to passenger cars manufactured beginning with the 1968 model year, and trucks beginning with the 1972 model year.
The law exempts the following from the seat belt requirements:

Any person certified by a physician as having a medical condition that causes the seat belt use to be inappropriate or dangerous.
Employee of a newspaper home delivery service while delivering newspapers on home delivery routes.
School buses.
Buses used for transportation of persons for compensation.
Farm equipment.
Trucks of a net weight of more than 5,000 pounds.
Motorcycle, moped or bicycle.
In a crash, you are far more likely to be killed if you are not wearing a safety belt. Wearing shoulder belts and lap belts make your chances of living through a crash twice as good.
In a crash, safety belts:

Keep you from being thrown from the vehicle. The risk of death is five times greater if you are thrown from a vehicle in a crash.
Keep you from being thrown against parts of your vehicle, such as the steering wheel or windshield.
Keep you from being thrown against others in the vehicle.
Keep the driver behind the wheel, where he or she can control the vehicle.

SAFETY BELTS SAVE LIVES!

Wear lap belts around your hips, not your stomach. Fasten them snugly. Wear a shoulder belt only with a lap belt. Don't just use your safety belt for long trips or high-speed highways. More than half of the crashes that cause injury or death happen:

at speeds less than 40 mph, and
within 25 miles of home.
Protecting Children
THE LAW: ALL CHILDREN 5 YEARS OLD OR YOUNGER MUST USE A RESTRAINT DEVICE WHEN RIDING IN A MOTOR VEHICLE.
The number one killer of young children in the United States is traffic crashes in which children were not restrained at all. Over 90 percent of the deaths and 80 percent of the injuries in car crashes could be prevented by using crash-tested child restraints.

Children should be secured in the rear seat. Never secure a child in the fron passenger side, especially if your vehicle has an air bag.

The law requires every driver to secure children five years of age or younger in child restraint devices riding in a passenger car, van, or pick-up truck, regardless of whether the vehicle is registered in this state. Infant carriers or children's car seats must be used for children three years old and younger. Children's car seats or safety belts may be used for four- and five-year-olds.
All infant carriers and car seats must be crash-tested and approved by the U.S. Government.
Children being carried or riding bicycles should wear properly fitted bicycle helmets.

What is the Best Child Seat?
The one that fits your child.
The one that fits your vehicle.
The one that you will use correctly every time.

For more information on the best child seat, please visit:
http://www.fhp.state.fl.us/html/CPS and obtain information on Occupent Protection & Child Passenger Safety News.
 
OK, so maybe I'm reading it wrong - but I still don't see that red portion as part of the law. It seems like a suggestion for safety. The last part about, "especially if your vehicle has an airbag" just makes it even more clear that it's a safety suggestion.

There's no question that it's the safest, but it still doesn't seem to be part of the actual law according to the text quoted above or any information I've found.

I'm not trying to debate it or argue it, I'm just genuinely curious if this is an actual law or not. The OP wanted to know if it is illegal to put a car seat in the front seat. It honestly doesn't seem like it is, to me.

(For the record, my 4.5 year old still rides in a full five point harness, always in the back seat.)




If you read the following section from the doccument quoted above, it doesn't say anything about requiring that seats be in the back seat.

The law requires every driver to secure children five years of age or younger in child restraint devices riding in a passenger car, van, or pick-up truck, regardless of whether the vehicle is registered in this state. Infant carriers or children's car seats must be used for children three years old and younger. Children's car seats or safety belts may be used for four- and five-year-olds.
All infant carriers and car seats must be crash-tested and approved by the U.S. Government.





Here's a bit from the Floriday Department of Transportation website, again, absolutely no mention of being in the back seat.

4. What is Florida's Child Restraint Law?
All children 5 years of age or younger must be properly restrained no matter where they are sitting in the vehicle. Children through age 3 must be secured in a separate carrier or a vehicle manufacturer's integrated child safety seat. For children aged 4 through 5 years, a separate carrier, an integrated child safety seat, or a safety belt may be used. (FL Statute 316.613).




And, here's a link to the actual law on the Floriday Highway Patrol website. No mention at all of the back seat anywhere in the law.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...SEC613.HTM&Title=->200 1->CH0316->Section 613




Here's another interesting link which supports the fact that this is NOT part of the Florida law. It contains lots of great information, including this quote: "Although not mandated, the safest place for your child of any age is in the back seat of the vehicle."

http://www.infant-car-seats.com/states/car-seats-laws-Florida.html




If such a "back seat" law existed, which is doesn't seem to, my question would be, what about all the people with pick-up trucks? Around here, we see lots of kids in car seats riding in pick-ups that don't even HAVE backseats. I would assume it would be the same way in Florida.

Bottom line seems to be that if the OP wants her child in the front seat, there is nothing in the LAW that prohibits it.


Just out of curiosity, I checked MA law (mentioned by a poster above) and quite a few other states as well and couldn't find one single statute that mandated that child restraint devices MUST be placed in the backseat.

I think we all hear so much about the back seat being the safest and we just assume it's part of the actual law. Doesn't seem to be the case.
 
whether it is allowed by law or not, I wonder if there would be any insurance ramifications if you are in an accident.
When we have rented a vehicle in Florida, there is a big sticker on the dashboard in front of the passenger seat advising that children should ride in the back seat. There has sometimes also been a hangtag on the mirror advising the same thing. I would be very concerned (if the worst case scenario happens) that the rental company's insurance would put up a fight about paying since the renter was warned.
 
whether it is allowed by law or not, I wonder if there would be any insurance ramifications if you are in an accident.
When we have rented a vehicle in Florida, there is a big sticker on the dashboard in front of the passenger seat advising that children should ride in the back seat. There has sometimes also been a hangtag on the mirror advising the same thing. I would be very concerned (if the worst case scenario happens) that the rental company's insurance would put up a fight about paying since the renter was warned.


Well, I don't know about that. That's just kind of speculation on our part, though, isn't it? I can say I've rented cars in Florda (and other states) many times and have never had one that has the sticker or tag you described. So, who knows.

The part about it being perfectly LEGAL to have him in the front, though, seems to be supported by the actual wording of the FL law and tons of other information.

And, that was the OP's question - is it legal? The answer is YES. It is legal. Safest? No. Reccomended by most people? No. Legal? Yes.

I guess, for once on these boards, I'd just like to see an actual yes or no question answered for a poster in a factual way without all the speculation, opinions, etc. being thrown into the mix.

I guess I've just seem too many of THOSE threads today. You know the ones I mean . . .

How should my 10 year old carry his $200 of spending money? . . . . That's WAY too much money for a kid that age to spend! There's no way I'd let my kid blow that kind of money!

Will security allow us to carry in sandwhichs and bottled water? . . . .If you can't afford food, you can't afford a vacation! Do you have any savings in the bank? Stop living beyond your means!

So, I apologize for being a pain on this thread. I just wanted the OP to have the real answer to her question. It is NOT illegal in Florida (or any of the other states I checked) to put a car seat in the front seat.
 
Even if it's "technically" not illegal, FHP would find something to ticket you for (unsafe operation of a motor vehicle?) if they wanted to. Frankly kids are safer in the back seat, I'm not sure why this thread even exists.

BTW--In the State of NJ, it IS illegal for a child under a certain age (four? seven? I don't really recall) to ride in the front seat, including in pick-up trucks, and it is enforced.
 
Even if it's "technically" not illegal, FHP would find something to ticket you for (unsafe operation of a motor vehicle?) if they wanted to. Frankly kids are safer in the back seat, I'm not sure why this thread even exists.

Well, it exists because, happily, it's not your job to decide the board worthiness of posts on the DIS.

It exists because the OP asked a simple yes or no question on a board meant to help people get answers to their questions. However, as usual, there are plenty of posters that would rather post their opinions rather than the facts.

Just because something is your opinion, or even a very good idea, isn't enough to make it a law. The law is pretty clear and there's no mention at all anywhere in it of kids in car seats being in the back seat. For the purposes of this thread, anything above and beyond that fact doesn't matter much.

For what it's worth, I seriously doubt that the FHP is going to pull over a car that isn't breaking any laws just so they can make up a violation. Surely they have more to do than that. But, then, I'm certainly not going to claim to be all knowing when it comes to the minds of the highway patrol. (That would just be my opinion, you see.)

And, by the way, it's not "technically" not illegal. It's just plain not illegal. You can't argue with that.
 
BTW--In the State of NJ, it IS illegal for a child under a certain age (four? seven? I don't really recall) to ride in the front seat, including in pick-up trucks, and it is enforced.

BTW, you're not quite right on that one. Here's the text of the New Jersey law, FYI.

"Children up to age 8 or 80 pounds must ride in a safety or booster seat in the rear seat of the vehicle. If there is no rear seat, the child must sit in the front seat secured by a safety or booster seat."

So, don't bother picking up your cell phone to report any pick-up drivers you might see with car seats.

Anyway, I'm letting this go now as there's no point in keeping it up and dragging down the poor OP. She asked if it was illegal in Florida. It's not. She didn't say, "I'd love to know your opinions on putting my DS in the front seat." If she comes back and asks that, your posts will be relevant. Until then, they aren't.
 
Could I please ask for a close to this thread...

I didn't want to cause such disagreement between all the wonderful folks here, who have answered many important questions for me..

Just for infomation, Travis always travels in the rear seat of our car, at home here in the UK.... This is possible as either my Husband or I sit in the back alongside him.

My sincere Thanks to everyone for their comments..

I now have the answer to my question.

Hazel :)
 
Sorry this turned a bit heated, Hazel. I hope you and Travis have a great trip! :wizard:
 
Not to fuel a fire, but I live in Florida and I have been pulled over with my dd in the front seat. I got pulled over for speeding, (44 in a 35), and with my car there is no way the officer could have seen her, so I knew it was just for my speeding. He saw my other dd in the backseat in her carseat and asked about the one in the front. I told him that she had been throwing up and I wanted to keep a closer eye on her. He just said oh, okay. I would think that if your child had a reason to be in the front, that they wouldn't give it a second thought. If you had a car-full of unrestrained kids, then you would be in trouble. I would do what you feel comfortable with. My dd rides in the front seat on the way to school every morning, and she wears just the seatbelt, and I'm comfortable with that. Have a good vacation!!
 
I am closing this thread at the request of the OP and also because some posters on the thread were becoming argumentative.


So even if the OP had not asked, this thread would be closed.
 
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