Is this acceptable (re line-ups) ...

[grammagail]

I feel there is no comparison with "saving" a spot in line for a family member(s) who was never in the line in the first place vs. a "family" who has stood in the line and now 1 or 2 needs to leave for a moment (ie bathroom) and being allowed back.

If I've been standing in line for 10, 15, 30 minutes right next to the same people and need to take my grandson to the bathroom - I fail to see how those people wouldn't remember that I was there all along and not let me "back" in? Now granted that there will be new people at the back of the line - I don't think I'll be gone for a significant amount of time.

I think this is true everywhere - 1 family member "saving" a spot for the parade then 10 more join them at the last minute after my entire family has been waiting (and not being able to enjoy other things) and now our view is blocked. Or 1 family member "saving" a spot for a show and then a bunch comes in. Or 1 family member standing in this line - while the rest of the family is riding another ride and then the family joins in. It's line-hopping and it's illegal.

We all want to maximize our time and do the most we can - but it boils down to the "I'm the most important person" syndrome.

There are always "exceptions" to rules - but seems like too many people blatantly ignore the rule and make every situation the exception.

 

[wdwdvcdad]

It's line-hopping and it's illegal.

any mandatory minimum....three strikes & your out?

 

[grammagail]

mandatory minimum (?)

I'd rather think it was just common courtesy/common sense. But then again - wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone just always followed the rules

 

[Chicago526]

Letting one person catch up to a group is fine. Letting one person wait in line and the group catch up is NOT fine.

Parents taking little kids to the restroom is ALWAYS fine. We've all read the "outragous behavior" threads where gramps let's little Tommy tinkle in the line!

Maybe because I almost always go in the off-seasons, but I've never had more than 2 or 3 people ever pass me, anyway. And 1, 2 or 3 people just isn't going to increase my wait, anyway. If it's not affecting me, why get upset about it, I'm on vacation!

 

[jubileegirl]

I was going to post this morning then decided my reply would not be popular..but tonight I'm back and decided to go for it!

I'm at WDW to have a wonderful time with my family. If I have a 'heated exchange' with anyone then I will feel negative once the adrenalin rush has subsided. Does it really matter if I ride Splash Mountain 10 or even 20 minutes later? Probably not.
I can forgive poor organisational skills/calls of nature/good ideas for saving time/ in a nanosecond. (For the latter I wish I had thought of them too!)
Rudeness and ignorance and self-centredness takes longer but actually I can feel a bit sorry for the worldview of people who live like that. They annoy me for a short time but they have to be themselves for much longer.
(Schoolkids in wolf-like packs are exempt from rules of social etiquette as they will cringe with embarrassment when they remember one day)
So, hard though it may be, unless someone has trod on my foot (an OUCH and a cross look is allowed here) or done something to one of my kids, then I would just let 'em ride first. No big deal really.
Life is not fair and that sucks but I thought we were in Disney and I thought that a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.

 

[ChuckGA]

This thread has several justifiers saying that what is the big deal about one persone catching up as it might be only one more car wait for the people behind. I agree that it is likely to be a small effect on the 50 or so people that got in line behind your lead group. However it is also a small inconvience to you to wait for the last person and then get in line behind those 50 people.

So I ask you: "Why do you feel entitled to slightly inconvience other people rather than slightly inconviencing yourselves?"

Why is it always "other" people that should be reasonable rather than youself?

Chuck

 

[grammagail]

Very well said - my sentiments exactely.

I love when people feel the need to "justify" why they are doing something they know is wrong in the first place - otherwise, no need for a justification.

 

[wdwdvcdad]

ummm...not wrong, so no justification needed.

 

[mmccoy]

Gotta relate a funny incident on our trip.

I was in line to enter AK. I had a backpack, so had to wait in a pretty long line. As I neared the head of the line, a lady buzzed up from the side, cut in front of everyone, walked right up to the table, had her bag checked, then buzzed off.

I didn't like it, but, like jubileegirl, I'm more of a pacifist on these kinds of things.

Anyway, after having my bag checked, I rejoined the group, which just happened to be standing a few feet from Ms. My-Mother-Didn't-Raise-Me-Well, her husband, and a boy. They were loudly discussing the whereabouts of their daughter. One of them literally shouted, "The moron's back there standing in line!" Sheesh.

Another one, although not so funny: We were at Blizzard Beach when it opened, and among the first in the ski lift line. A few people were ahead of us, and we just kinda followed them into the queue. Although we didn't realize it because of the set-up of the queue and shortness of the line, we cut off a family who had taken the right route. The mom made a rude comment about us cutting. We apologized, explaining we didn't realize what we had done, and let them go ahead of us. They didn't recognize our apology at all, just moved on. I guess we'll be more careful next time.

 

[WDWorBUST]

Okay slightly off topic but what I hate is when you go into a pre-ride area like RNRC and they tell you to move all the way across the room and people get mad at you for doing it because you end up in front of them. Geesh - follow directions next time and you won't have a problem.

 

[wdwdvcdad]

Originally posted by LoveThoseLabbies
wdwdvcdad < I see you either shooting someone who cuts you off on the road, or getting shot by someone who you start a fight with. Relax big boy. You'll live a lot longer.

you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about (probably not the 1st time you've heard that accurate description). I don't own a gun, & I have never started a single fight in my life, although I have ended a few. I am thoroughly relaxed. It is the wack jobs who "aren't gonna let anyone by me under any circumstances/unofficial WDW Police" who need the relaxation tips. I'm a happy-go-lucky bil 'ol teddy bear. Now, buzz off!

 

[ChuckGA]

How many of you have witnessed or been a part of the following common scenario?

Two groups of 2 or 3 people cross each other in the line and are surprised to see each other and decide to ride all together. Almost 100% of the time the lead group says "Come up here with us" instead of "We will wait for you to catch up with us".

Chuck

 

[Plan Man]

Give me a break. Aren't we on vacation and trying to enjoy ourselves. yes - People are rude sometinmes but they will get theirs in the end . I certainly shrug my shoulders and roll my eyes when someone breaks the "rules" as defined by the normal person but I also don't want to get all worked up about it all. I say take the time to teach our kids about common courtesy but in no way yes I mean in no way is it worth getting worked up about it. Come on people - do you really think you are going to change someone by being a jerk and not letting someone by????????????????? relax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by wdwdvcdad
you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about (probably not the 1st time you've heard that accurate description). I don't own a gun, & I have never started a single fight in my life, although I have ended a few. I am thoroughly relaxed. It is the wack jobs who "aren't gonna let anyone by me under any circumstances/unofficial WDW Police" who need the relaxation tips. I'm a happy-go-lucky bil 'ol teddy bear. Now, buzz off!

If what someone gets upset about in turn upsets you, then you are just as upset as they are.

 

[poohandwendy]

I can understand both sides of this issue. We always go to WDW in the dead of summer, as we don't want to take the kids out of school.

I am on vacation and want to have a 'happy' experience. I really pay no notice to a few people 'cutting' in front of me for whatever reason (I don't ask, I don't care)....HOWEVER.....

When, after being there for a few days, I see the same groups cutting with many people over and over again, (tour groups, common in the summer, all wear the same color shirts), it REALLY gets old.

I really wish that there would be more CMs keeping an eye on the lines when they are really long and not allowing the obvious group cutting. Just the visibility of a cm would make a difference, IMHO. Rules that aren't enforced are sure to be abused more than those that are. (and the rules about line cutting are posted at every WDW attraction)

It is easy to say, 'You're on vacation...ignore it"...Most people do. I do. But, after a while it really does get frustrating. I have seen it happen over and over and over again. Same groups, and never just one person..usually like 5 or 6. It really can be a problem in the summer months (probably the other busy times also).

The groups who abuse it make those in line get to the boiling point and get mad at the dad who only left to get his son a drink of water or use the restroom. That is why I think it needs to be addressed by WDW staff. If they kept it under control, people would be more understanding of one or two passing them.

JMHO.

 

[wdwdvcdad]

Originally posted by Sammie
If what someone gets upset about in turn upsets you, then you are just as upset as they are.

profound, but wrong.

 

[Ibelieveinfairies]

In answer to the OP's question, I would say that I might be naive, but I probably wouldn't even give your one runner a second thought as I wait in line. A group of people, yes...it would just draw my attention. But, I am there to have fun with my family and I have to say that a trip to WDW is educational in sooo many ways for my two DDs. For a few examples: they get to practice math skills when deciding if they have enough money for that "must-have" suvenier, they get to learn about other cultures and countries at EPCOT's WS, and when another person or a group of people behave in an unsocial manner, we love to use that as a lesson in how to be a thoughtful and considerate human. We always talk about how the person's behavior looks, makes others feel, and what it truly gains for them....usually nothing! Like another poster, we discuss that people usually have a variety of issues going on that we don't know about. We use all that time waiting in line to talk to each other and sometimes we try to come up with more acceptable ways of behaving...gives them a chance to try on those productive, positive, citizen roles! They get to see real-life examples of how rude behavior makes you look like a fool!

 

[PatriciaH]

Originally posted by poohandwendy
The groups who abuse it make those in line get to the boiling point and get mad at the dad who only left to get his son a drink of water or use the restroom. That is why I think it needs to be addressed by WDW staff. If they kept it under control, people would be more understanding of one or two passing them.

JMHO.

In other parks they kick out line jumpers with no refund for their tickets.

 

[LoveThoseLabbies]

wdwdvcdad...I will post this response and then I will buzz off as you suggested and consider this subject closed.

I can tell by your attitude, "I'll get by' and "I haven't started any fights, but I ended a few", that you have no understanding of how the real world exists in 2004. Believe me, it is people like you that the police fear most. You see, if you walked away and ignored the person who provoked you there would be no fight "for you to end". If there wasn't somebody always ready and willing to end the fight there would be no fight in the first place.

I never was a cop, but I worked in law enforcement for over a decade. The streets today are nothing like they were in the 50's or 60's. In those days, if men had a difference of opinion, they went outside, settled it, and then bought each other beers. No hard feelings. Times are different now. These punks on the street would shoot you or cut you and not have any second thoughts.

Let me give you a real world example. Happened about a month ago, near Wrigley Field in Chicago. After a game, a guy in a car was driving somewhat recklessly near the park where there were lots of people walking. Well one big tough guy wasn't going to stand for it (does this personality type ring a bell to you?). So as the car drove by again he banged on the car with one of those little bats that they sell at the ballgame. Well guess what happened next, the guy in the car got out, not a big tough looking guy, and words were exchanged. The result was the big tough guy with the bat was shot dead, and the other guy may be looking at life in prison. So you see, two lives were ruined, two families have to suffer immeasurable hardship, all because the big tough guy just had to be the one "to end the fight". Well he ended it all right. Sound bad? Well it happens every day.

So being a big tough macho guy ready and able to fight may sound great, but most often they are the ones that end up dead. You see, the little skinny punks ( the ones that don't look like much) are the ones most likely to be carrying a knife or a gun.

Have a good time at Disney, and think twice before you decide to "break though the guy who won't let you pass". When you get past, you may find yourself with a stabbing pain in your back. Maybe then, you'll realize, it just ain't worth it.

Officially Buzzed Off, LTL

 

[momx2]

I just read this whole thread and I hope I have taken the last post wrong, because it is disturbing. I really wish someone would just close this down!