Is the new 90+10 policy "fair and balanced"?

[bootcamp772002]

There Are A Few Places That Still Use The 180 Days. Crt And Chef Mickeys Are Two Of The Places That Take Adr's 180 Days Out

 

[Tricia1972]

There Are A Few Places That Still Use The 180 Days. Crt And Chef Mickeys Are Two Of The Places That Take Adr's 180 Days Out

These two (well 3 including Victoria & Albert's) are a bit confusing right now.

They are not 180 days out, they are available through June 19, 2009. Once we're 90 days from June 19, they will be 90 days like everyone else.

 

[RMulieri]

Personally I just don't understand why everyone is getting so worked up over this Disney plays with the adr window all the time. Not too long ago( like 2000)it used to be 90 days ,then it went to 180 days, now we are back to 90 days.How is it so unfair? On site resort guests will always have the advantage.90 +10, EMH..It all comes with the price tag.Certain places will always be more popular and harder to book.

 

[TigerLaw]

Maybe me using cindy's was a bad example b/c it is still in a 180 day window.

Let's say instead I want to take my wife to narcooses (sp) our first night there on 5/23 for our anniversary (which is actually my plan). My point is that under the current system, it could be booked up or at the very least booked up at times that work for us, before I can ever even try to call in at 90 days to try to make the ressie?

I guess the question seems to be is it a better benefit to maketry to make all your ressies w. one phone call and maybe miss out on a few b/c someone got them before you or call every day if you really want them and see what happens.

I am sure we all have that special ressie we just have to get, and I think this system works against us sometimes even having a chance at the desired ressies.

just my thought on it

 

[RMulieri]

But that was also the case with 180 days.Someone will always be able to make the ressies before you do.

 

[dvcdisney]

I believe the OP is upset about the +10 policy, not because it is only offered to onsite resort guests, but that the +10 gives an advantage to those who are staying earlier than the OP among the resort guests. I don't think the OP has any problems with the idea of the resort perk. But OP would prefer every resort guest being able to reserve at 90 days (or whatever Disney chooses) while offsite guests would not be able to call until later, hence still giving the onsite guests a perk. At least this is my understanding.

So in that case, the resort guests can choose to call day by day to get the ADRs or wait until the 90 days from the end of their trip to book them all. However, I don't believe Disney would want you to call day by day. So resort guests are given this option.

As I mentioned in a different thread, if I wanted a very popular restaurant, I would somehow try to schedule that ADR to be at the 10th day of my trip so there is less chance of it being booked. Not always a guarantee, but gives you a better chance. Having said that, I am quite surprised on how easily I was able to get CRT and Le Cellier using the +10 option and they weren't even booked on the 10th day of my vacation.

 

[risingsunmom]

I will be on the phone @ 6:30 100 days out and whatever happens is

I thought it was 7am EST?

 

[TigerLaw]

But that was also the case with 180 days.Someone will always be able to make the ressies before you do.

It was and it wasn't - yes that may have the "policy" but in practice, alot fewer people were ready to make all their ressies 180+10 days out than are now ready to do so 90 days out - just look on the board right now, Ijust read three different posts where people called in 90 days out and couldn't get all their choices and that's b/c of the +10 window.

Once cindy's and chef mickey's goes to the 90 day window in june, what do you think will happen then - I bet there will be a lot of disappointed kids out there!

 

[RMulieri]

Well..I see your point , still doesn't really bother me ,but it is what it is. Nothing we can do about it but complain to disney.I much rather 90 days and people book one ressie they will use, then 180 days and people booking 3 and 4 so the bases are covered.

 

[Hootch]

if you want to make a perk for staying onsite, fine. My point is we should all at least have a shot at making the ressies we want. Make a 120 day window for on site and 90 for everyone else with no "plus anything" then its fair to everyone - we all have an equal shot.

a little confused as to how this is fairer than the 90+10. Your suggestion provides a greater advantage to people staying on site than the current.

Disney is very clear about the advantages of staying on site. They are listed with the resort pricing to help explain why you are paying more than the resorts just outside the gates. We pay the extra more for the convenience than anything else, but I will take advantage of the 90+10 since it's offered.

 

[Tricia1972]

While I see your point on the people being ready at 90 days (vs 180), that may also prove to be an advantage (rather than a disadvantage)

In reality not everyone was ready at 180 days out, but they knew if they wanted ADR's they needed to call at that time. Some would call and make several reservations for the same day because they had no earthly idea where they wanted to eat in 6 months.

I think having it at 3 months is less daunting and that people calling will be more likely to book just where they want to eat and skip all of the dreaded double bookings.

I hope it plays out that this helps the situation versus hindering.

 

[TigerLaw]

a little confused as to how this is fairer than the 90+10. Your suggestion provides a greater advantage to people staying on site than the current.

Disney is very clear about the advantages of staying on site. They are listed with the resort pricing to help explain why you are paying more than the resorts just outside the gates. We pay the extra more for the convenience than anything else, but I will take advantage of the 90+10 since it's offered.

My point was if you want to give an advantage for those saying onsite - fine - give them one window and give everyone else a different window -just lose the +10 portion of it so everyone has an equal shot of getting their desired ressies.

 

[Qtips4Mick]

I agree it may stink for those staying off-site, but Disney is a business and it is another incentive to stay onsite. With free dining offers/DDP etc ADR's have become essential.

 

[Tricia1972]

My point was if you want to give an advantage for those saying onsite - fine - give them one window and give everyone else a different window -just lose the +10 portion of it so everyone has an equal shot of getting their desired ressies.

It's been reported, quite often, that Disney evens this out by not releasing all tables at the +10, they always hold some tables to release at the 90 day mark.

So if you're going to CRT day 3 of your vacation....

You call in 90 days before check-in and try to make CRT for day 3. No availability. Call back 90 days before you eat there - and voila - availability.

Quite often people have reported that they can't get CRT when they first call, but when they call at exactly 90 days out (right away) they've gotten in.

 

[Eeyore's Buddy]

Ijust read three different posts where people called in 90 days out and couldn't get all their choices and that's b/c of the +10 window.

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How did you determine it was due to the +10 perk? Perhaps it was the specific time requested or size of the group or some other reason they were unable to get the ADR?



EB

 

[Tricia1972]

Ijust read three different posts where people called in 90 days out and couldn't get all their choices and that's b/c of the +10 window.

How did you determine it was due to the +10 perk? Perhaps it was the specific time requested or size of the group or some other reason they were unable to get the ADR?



EB

Also, what I am mostly reading is people are mostly having issues with Chef Mickey's and CRT right now, and that's because they're open until June 19.

I have read a post or two that LeCellier is an issue, but LeCellier has always been an issue. (and LeCellier sounds like it's an issue at 93 or 94 days - not 90 days from date of dining)

Not minimizing that there may be an issue, but offering hope to those making their ADR's at 90 days.

 

[goofy4tink]

I've been booking ADRs (and PSs) since '99. In '99, it was 60 days before, then it went to 90 days, then to 180 (but with those 10 days added), now back to 90+10.
I will say that I have had better luck getting the times/days I need with the +10 perk in effect. 90 days vs 180 days?? Not sure it's making any difference. Those that are going to book at the 90 day window were the same guests that were booking at the 180 day window...they wanted something specific and knew to get on that phone asap.
Is it fair to use that +10 day perk? It really doesn't make a lot of difference. I see what the OP is saying...if you call on a Friday but others have called on the previous Sunday, then the times/days you want could conceivably be gone. But I have been told that they hold back tables for each day so that those calling later get a shot as well...they do not all go on one particular day.
With that said....if you have your heart set on one particular day and meal, then go for it. But, have some options open just in case you can't get the exact day you want. Yes, that makes it tough if you have a birthday girl who really wants to eat at CRT on her exact birthday. I know...I've been there. My dd turned 6 in WDW. We really wanted to book CRT for her birthday. Told our TA about it with plenty of time. However, the TA was not well versed in Disney doings so didn't call at the exact time she should have. She called about a month before the date.....then called to tell me there were no openings!!! Aarrgghhhhh. It was 60 days then, and she called a month past that date!!!
Try to be flexible in your times/dates.

 

[disnut8]

I believe the OP is upset about the +10 policy, not because it is only offered to onsite resort guests, but that the +10 gives an advantage to those who are staying earlier than the OP among the resort guests. I don't think the OP has any problems with the idea of the resort perk. But OP would prefer every resort guest being able to reserve at 90 days (or whatever Disney chooses) while offsite guests would not be able to call until later, hence still giving the onsite guests a perk. At least this is my understanding.

But let's quibble further. In the original example, I think the OP's arrival date was May 23 and he was concerned because people who arrived on May 14 could have already taken his reservation he wanted. But those May 14 people might have been shut out of a reservation by the May 4 people. And those May 4 people might have been shut out of a reservation by the people ten days before them. And those people might have been shut out of a reservation by the people ten days before THEM. And so on and so on.

The OP hasn't even entered into his 90 day window yet but he's already complaining. He doesn't even know if he's getting his coveted reservation or not. I say come back when you can't get that one reservation you want/need and you are told specifically it's because all the slots are taken up by resort guests already who used the 90 + 10 day rule. Then complain.

 

[TigerLaw]

But let's quibble further. In the original example, I think the OP's arrival date was May 23 and he was concerned because people who arrived on May 14 could have already taken his reservation he wanted. But those May 14 people might have been shut out of a reservation by the May 4 people. And those May 4 people might have been shut out of a reservation by the people ten days before them. And those people might have been shut out of a reservation by the people ten days before THEM. And so on and so on.

The OP hasn't even entered into his 90 day window yet but he's already complaining. He doesn't even know if he's getting his coveted reservation or not. I say come back when you can't get that one reservation you want/need and you are told specifically it's because all the slots are taken up by resort guests already who used the 90 + 10 day rule. Then complain.

I was going to let this drop, but let me get this straight, I can't complain about a policy until I actually get screwed by it?!? DVDdisney hit my issue on the head, I am not upset about this b/c it effected me, I am upset about this b/c I don't think its fair for ALL OF US.

Disnut, to use your example, the fact that someone arriving on the 14th could have been shut out from someone on May 4th and so on and so ondoesn't mean the system is far b/c we are are being equally shut out of ressies, it means that the system is UNFAIR to everyone equally, hence my issue!

and more to the point, we all know we will never be told that we didn't get a desired ressie b/c of the +10 policy. Rather, I think it is logical to assume that was the case in a situation where someone called in the first minute they were eligible to do so and were still shut out.

As I have said before, there is a simple solution to this - lose the +10 part of the policy!

 

[Disneychix]

As I have said before, there is a simple solution to this - lose the +10 part of the policy!

If they did this they would have to release a 1-800 # for dining or get the online system setup. Could you imagine the expense of calling daily long distance to make 1 dining reservation per day?

And I also can't imagine all time-slots being filled up by the # of people who are booking +10 days out.