Is it just me or is this teacher being totally unreasonable?

KimR

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First let me say that I am normally not one to make waves at the school or at the girls' various activities. I do not want to be one of 'those' moms and furthermore, my general philosphy is that rules are rules and while some things may seem unfair or silly that's life and they need to suck it up. However, I will (and have) gone to bat for the girls at times when teachers or coaches cross the line and I think I'm about at that point now. Here is the situation:

DD told me today that they are no longer allowed to bring their jackets outside of the classroom (to recess or to their various specials classes which are held in trailers that are COLD!). Apparently, the teacher is tired of the children leaving their jackets on the playground or elsewhere and thinks this is the solution to the problem. :rolleyes: She told the kids that they need to wear sweatshirts to school everyday, thus (supposedly) eliminating the need for jackets. OK, in the first place, at this time of year it is often chilly in the mornings but then warms up to the 70s or 80s in the afternoons. The children need to layer their clothing in order to be comfortable throughout the day. Furthermore, DD owns maybe ONE sweatshirt and until that teacher starts paying DDs clothing bills, she is not going to dictate what DD wears to school. And what does she expect to happen come winter when a sweatshirt isn't enough to keep them warm - are they expected to go outside and freeze? :confused3

I am one that cannot stand to be cold; when I worked in an office I always wore a sweater of lightweight jacket even in the summer because the offices are so darn cold year round and I would have been miserable otherwise. Even my oldest DD who is always hot needs a jacket to stay comfortable in some of her classrooms. The children cannot be expected to concentrate fully on their work if they are cold. I think the teacher really dropped the ball on this one.

Of course there's always the possiblity that DD has totally misunderstood what was said and I'm going to approach the teacher with that assumption - that surely DD is mistaken and could she please clairify. But if not, oh wow....this it totally unacceptable to me!
 
If the children are layering their clothes, and then taking the sweatshirt off to be comfortable, can't they leave them around the same way they would leave a jacket??

That doesn't seem to be a good solution to that particular problem...
 
I would ask the teacher for clarification - something doesn't sound right!
 
I agree, it is unacceptable. I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to ask the teacher to clarify this and make sure your daughter got the message correctly. Then, if that is her policy, you need to speak up and say my daughter needs a sweater now and then and I will decide what she wears to school. At our school many children leave behind sweaters, jackets, lunch boxes, etc. out on the playground or in special area teachers classes. That is what the lost and found cabinet is for.
 

Ask the teacher if jackets and coats are a violation of the school's dress code. If not, then kids are allowed to wear them; and make it clear that your dd will be wearing hers and if you get wind that she is not allowed to wear it to areas where it is cold, then you will be having a conference with her/him and the principal. They are teachers after all not g*ds. I don't have anything against teachers, I wouldn't do it in a million years (other than for my special needs ds that I currently homeschool) but that's just crazy. She/he sounds lazy to me! I had a similar issue regarding dd's shoes last year. I paid good money for those shoes and she was going to wear them darn it!
 
I think assuming your daughter misunderstood and asking for clarification is a good idea. Hopefully it was a misunderstanding!

Leaving jackets is always a problem, but sweatshirts are also left! I've found that a quick reminder at the end of recess works(younger kids) - or a threat that you will no longer let them come out to retrieve anything left behind and they'll have to dig through the stinky lost and found bin at the end of the day(older kids)!
 
LMC said:
I had a similar issue regarding dd's shoes last year. I paid good money for those shoes and she was going to wear them darn it!


I have to admit there have been three instances where I've talked to parents about their children's shoes. I taught first grade. One boy had shoes with round laces that constantly came untied - I asked if the parent could change the laces. One boy stomped constantly when he wore boots - I asked that he wear tennies. One girl had patent leather shoes which she insisted on changing out of (and into tennies) for every recess, PE, etc. - I suggested she wear something that could transition easier.

I haven't thought about that for years. Boy, those kids were almost 20 years ago and I can still remember their names and see their little faces so clearly!
 
Well evidently my dd's teacher didn't want to give her 2-3 minutes to change her shoes for PE. She allowed other children to do this but didn't want dd to do this. I even sent slip on tennis shoes or zip up's so she wouldn't have to fiddle with tying them!

disykat said:
I have to admit there have been three instances where I've talked to parents about their children's shoes. I taught first grade. One boy had shoes with round laces that constantly came untied - I asked if the parent could change the laces. One boy stomped constantly when he wore boots - I asked that he wear tennies. One girl had patent leather shoes which she insisted on changing out of (and into tennies) for every recess, PE, etc. - I suggested she wear something that could transition easier.

I haven't thought about that for years. Boy, those kids were almost 20 years ago and I can still remember their names and see their little faces so clearly!
 
If you have not recieved a memo, something in writing, then you are under NO obligation to comply with any dress-code request, or to expect your DD to comply.

Tell your DD to wear her jacket if she wishes.

If your DD repeats to you that this is a problem, tell her you want to know EXACTLY verbatim, what the teacher said. Then, go directly for the conference...

I would not want to exhange words with the teacher over something like this without the principal being present. Otherwise, the teacher will do whatever she wishes, and say whatever necessary to cover her behind.

I would make it a very non-personal and general request for a conference...

CC: Teacher
Principal

I would like a meeting as soon a possible to discuss current policy regarding dress code, as well as coats/jackets/sweats/outerwear at school.

Sincerely,

Ms. XXXXXXXXXX
 
I agree that asking the teacher exactly what she said is a good idea. If she really did say that, she's nuts. If she doesn't listen to your reasoning, then you'll have to talk to the principal. I hope she was just having a bad day. :confused3
 
I am just finishing up student teaching in first grade. When I line up the kids for lunch, I ALWAYS remind them to get their lunch box or money. When bringing kids inside from recess I always remind them to get their jackets and do a quick scan to see that jackets are picked up. The teacher should have a designted spot on the playground for them (like next to her). I am a bit over-organized, but it just sounds like poor planning to me.
 
We have a school rule NO jacket or outerwear of any kind outside of homeroom. That is due to the fact that weapons/drugs and or other things can be concealed. Its bad enough the boys have droopy baggy pants, but other stuff as well.

I try not to be a hard nose about it,but the students know. It is published in the dress code. They know this when they walk outside the campus to other buildings.
 
Our school has the same rule, but these are high schools--I wouldn't want my elementary age school kids having to go out to recess without jackets just because the monitor is sick of picking them up. I look at it this way--if they lose a jacket, they don't have a jacket the next day unless they find it in lost and found or mom buys another one. You wouldn't believe the lost and found pile at my kids' school at the end of the year.
Last spring the zipper broke on DS's heavier winter coat. He wore a lighterweight one while I took it to an alteration place to have it fixed--heavier than a windbreaker, but not a big thick coat. Of course then the weather got cold again. The recess monitor told him "Tell your mom to buy you a warmer coat." :earseek: I told him that next time Mrs. Espinoza said something like that he should tell her to mind her own business. Sometimes things happen that make me question what gets into these people's heads.
Robin M.
 
Yep, unreasonable. So what if a kids coat gets left behind? How is it harming the teacher? I think the natural consequence of leaving a coat outside and it getting rained upon or misplaced is a lesson for the child to not leave it out again.

At our school (DD's and where I work) if the kids take their coats off they have to be left on the picnic tables. Most of the time they remember to grab it, sometimes not. If something gets left behind at the end of the day, I'm working and it's not raining, I will go outside and get whatever is left and put it in lost and found, but don't hand deliver them to the kids. If they want it bad enough they'll track it down. Just don't ask me to save it from the rain. :teeth:
 
At my DD11's middle school they aren't allowed to bring jackets to class either. Once they get to school, the jacket, sweatshirt, whatever (anything that zips) has to be put in the locker....and one wing of the school had no heat last winter...that wing hasn't had heat in over a year. Her Math teacher even brought in a portable space heater that lasted one day...he had to remove it because it was a fire hazard. I keep trying to get her to wear the warmest possible sweatshirts.
 
As I walked across our playground last night to pick up my son, I counted 5 jackets laying in various spots. No children. My guess is that the teacher suggested this as a solution to the jacket problem. I'd ask in a good natured way if it were me. Kids take things pretty seriously sometimes.
 
This reminded me of an issue (just the opposite of the OP's) I had when my DS's were in intermediate school (grades 3-5). It is the schools policy that whatever you wear to school in the morning HAS to go out with you at recess (the idea being, that is what your parent wanted you to wear). The kids go out with a lunch aide and they must wear what they have (this is to avoid leaving them behind). This was always a problem when it is cold in the morning and then warms up during the day. They would complain of being too hot at recess, so they didn't want to wear anything in the morning! I finally convinced them to take off theri sweatshirt as they entered the school and then they put them in their backpack so they wouldn't have to bring it at recess. This has since been brought up to the schools site based management team and now if it is warmer in the day, the teacher does not make them bring their jacket or sweatshirt along to lunch. Now in middle school as stated above they are not allowed to wear jackets or coats during the school day, but sweatshirts are OK.
 
Cindy B said:
We have a school rule NO jacket or outerwear of any kind outside of homeroom. That is due to the fact that weapons/drugs and or other things can be concealed. Its bad enough the boys have droopy baggy pants, but other stuff as well.

I try not to be a hard nose about it,but the students know. It is published in the dress code. They know this when they walk outside the campus to other buildings.

That sounds totally screwy. You can wear a jacket INSIDE, but not OUTSIDE? Can't they just stow things in their lockers when they get to school? This must be a tough school!
 
daisyduck123 said:
At my DD11's middle school they aren't allowed to bring jackets to class either. Once they get to school, the jacket, sweatshirt, whatever (anything that zips) has to be put in the locker....and one wing of the school had no heat last winter...that wing hasn't had heat in over a year. Her Math teacher even brought in a portable space heater that lasted one day...he had to remove it because it was a fire hazard. I keep trying to get her to wear the warmest possible sweatshirts.

I'll bet the School Board's offices are heated.
And I'll bet the principal's offices are heated.
*And* I'll bet the Mayor's office is heated.
AND I'll bet the County Commissioners' offices are heated.

You get the idea. When the TV news show bad school conditions around our area, I always think...bet all the administrators' offices are nice and toasty in winter and nice and cool in summer! I live near DC, so we'll see stuff in DC itself as well as some suburban schools in Maryland and Virginia.

agnes!
 


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