Is anyone else DONE with E-bay!!!

I'm done. I started selling on eBay 15 years ago and it is getting less and less worth my while. Between the fees from them and Pay Pal and the shipping cost and the time it takes for me to photograph and write a listing I end up making very little. I am better off taking items to Goodwill and getting a receipt to use for my taxes.
 
Craigslist is no picnic either. I've put several things up and all I get are spam emails. I had one person who wanted an item and we went through an email negotatiation very cordially. Finally settled on terms and then said she needed me to ship it to her because she was ill and couldn't drive. I refused and never heard from her again.


Lucky that is all you are getting, in my area people are being robbed when they show up for craigs list deals. Yesterday a guy was pistol whipped and robber in broad daylight showing up to purchase a cell phone via craigs list...


For me Ive been done with ebay years ago and wont touch craigs list...

For us it easier just to donate items to Goodwill or Arc, my time is worth more to me...
 
Regards to non payers use "immediate payment required". This will end that.

I have that on all my auctions, you still have to wait Ebays said days and then file a complaint and then wait again it will not let you file a non-paying bidder complaint until THEIR time is up. So you are looking at 3-4 weeks on that before they credit your fees.
 
I used to sell often on Ebay, I have over 600 transaction rating.

I rarely sell now..... the fees, the buyers, and seriously, the shipping costs have sky rocketed. I used to be able to ship large items for a reasonable cost. Now it is like almost every box is "over-sized". I tried to mail a pin in a padded envelope and it was returned for loads of extra postage, recently (not an ebay transaction).

It makes me nuts because I have some items to sell, but the hassle is just holding me back. I have also had crazy buyers that make me absolutely furious.
 

I've never used E-Bay, but my sister just put some items up for the first time. Our uncle owned a shoe store for many years. Due to health issues, he is no longer able to run it. He's tried to sell it with the shoe repair equipment and inventory included. Several people want to rent the building (which he owns), but they want to put in other types of businesses. Shoe repair is a lost art and most people would rather shop at the department store down the road.

My sister just listed several pairs of high-end sneakers, hoping to at least get his investment back. If she can make a profit for him, even better. So far, she's received one offer on a pair of shoes for $70 (asking price was $89), and the person wants them shipped to France. After just a few days, she's not sure if it's going to be worth it. We may end up having a shoes-only garage sale instead!
 
Ebay is the worst when it comes to fees and such. I've had some problems in the past with deadbeat buyers, and Ebay has always seemed to sort it out. The problem I have with them though, is their ridiculous fee system.

I used to sell close to $300.00 a month, but once pay pal and Ebay got their fees I walked away with only $160ish a month. It's hilarious to think that Pay Pal and Ebay (which are owned by the same company) takes almost half of what I sold, even though, they only host my product. There is no excuse to take that much money from a customer.

I checked into Amazon at one time and it looked like their fees were much worse..listing fee no matter what, and etc. If I am looking at the wrong place for the fee structure or it has changed, let me know, because it sure looked like a more expensive deal than ebay to me.
 
Much as I do understand some of the dislike for paying fees, I have to wonder how many people can really do better to sell their stuff locally or otherwise on their own. In the example of losing over 40% of total sales on fees (which sounds unusually high to me), could that same person have done better by trying to sell their stuff on craigslist, by posting on facebook, or otherwise finding buyers for it? In most cases, I tend to doubt it.

But let's actually look at the fees for a moment. On eBay, it's an insertion fee of 30 cents (only after 50 listings per month) and a 'final value fee' of 10% of the final value. For Paypal, it's 30 cents + 2.9% of the price. So, in total, we're looking at 12.9% + 60 cents. On an item that sells for $10, that's a total of 18.9%. Higher priced items that will actually end up being a lower percentage. Maybe I'm alone in thinking this, but I don't feel like that's a bad price to pay at all. To be fair, yes, there are optional services that can be tacked on which will raise the total fees, but if the fees are adding up to that much of the profit margin, it seems like there's a point where those optional services just aren't worth it. As a hyperolic example, I'm certainly not going to takeout an ad for a highway billboard so I can sell my old push lawnmower; for the same reason I'm not going to pay extra for a larger listing picture, bolding, highlights, or whatever other expensive option eBay wants to offer me.

I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around a situation where so much of one's total sales value is lost to fees... it tells me that there's a combination of a lot of optional features being used, combined with a lot of items selling for very low value, and probably a lot of items being listed over and over and over again (at a cost of 30 cents per iteration) without selling. If I am incorrect about any of that, I would certainly love to hear other ways one can spend that much in fees.

For "only" hosting my listing (on a site that has probably the widest reach to the most buyers of any similar site online), and for handling the payment transaction (which would cost me a similar fee, probably higher actually, to have my own merchant account), I feel like I'm getting a pretty good deal. Apparently not everyone feels the same, and that's fine, but they're welcome to find another place to "only host the listing".

I agree..the fees are not bad on Ebay/Paypal for the exposure I get.
 
I checked into Amazon at one time and it looked like their fees were much worse..listing fee no matter what, and etc. If I am looking at the wrong place for the fee structure or it has changed, let me know, because it sure looked like a more expensive deal than ebay to me.
I see mostly books on Amazon. The fee structure is OK if you sell a more than 40 items per month. Amazon charges a $40 flat fee to sell items on Amazon no matter how many items you sell. Or, you may pay $1 per item sold (not listed). They also take a percentage commission on every sale and a fee from every shipping allowance. For those fees, they provide a place to sell your items and they take care of all the payments from your buyers and pay you monthly.

Some disadvantages of Amazon are that you can't pad your shipping expenses to cover your supplies or fees. Amazon sets the shipping amount that you are paid and often it is not even enough to cover your real expenses. Amazon rarely raises shipping to the customer when Post Office rates go up so we sellers have to eat the difference almost every time. For instance, I had to stop selling internationally since the amount that I receive from Amazon to send out of the US does not even cover the cost of a flat rate envelope anymore thanks to the recent PO rate changes. Sellers also get hit when they sell heavy books (think text books) since the shipping rarely covers more than a couple of pounds. The other disadvantage is that Amazon opens itself up to scam buyers like eBay but unlike eBay a mere delivery confirmation is not enough to prove that a package was delivered. You need signature verification to prove that a buyer received a package when they claim they did not. Amazon will refund them and take that amount out of your next check.

We have been burned a few times on Amazon, but not as often or as badly as I have been burned on eBay. I think that people don't want to "mess" with a big corporation like Amazon but they don't know that the Marketplace sellers are often just regular people like eBay sellers.
 
I dont sell on ebay anymore, just for the reasons you stated..In my area on facebook there are online sites where people post pics of things they are selling and the amount they want..You can meet up in a public place and get your item or sell your item for FREE...check out online yard sales etc on your facebook with your area...:thumbsup2
 
Much as I do understand some of the dislike for paying fees, I have to wonder how many people can really do better to sell their stuff locally or otherwise on their own. In the example of losing over 40% of total sales on fees (which sounds unusually high to me), could that same person have done better by trying to sell their stuff on craigslist, by posting on facebook, or otherwise finding buyers for it? In most cases, I tend to doubt it.

But let's actually look at the fees for a moment. On eBay, it's an insertion fee of 30 cents (only after 50 listings per month) and a 'final value fee' of 10% of the final value. For Paypal, it's 30 cents + 2.9% of the price. So, in total, we're looking at 12.9% + 60 cents. On an item that sells for $10, that's a total of 18.9%. Higher priced items that will actually end up being a lower percentage. Maybe I'm alone in thinking this, but I don't feel like that's a bad price to pay at all. To be fair, yes, there are optional services that can be tacked on which will raise the total fees, but if the fees are adding up to that much of the profit margin, it seems like there's a point where those optional services just aren't worth it. As a hyperolic example, I'm certainly not going to takeout an ad for a highway billboard so I can sell my old push lawnmower; for the same reason I'm not going to pay extra for a larger listing picture, bolding, highlights, or whatever other expensive option eBay wants to offer me.

I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around a situation where so much of one's total sales value is lost to fees... it tells me that there's a combination of a lot of optional features being used, combined with a lot of items selling for very low value, and probably a lot of items being listed over and over and over again (at a cost of 30 cents per iteration) without selling. If I am incorrect about any of that, I would certainly love to hear other ways one can spend that much in fees.

For "only" hosting my listing (on a site that has probably the widest reach to the most buyers of any similar site online), and for handling the payment transaction (which would cost me a similar fee, probably higher actually, to have my own merchant account), I feel like I'm getting a pretty good deal. Apparently not everyone feels the same, and that's fine, but they're welcome to find another place to "only host the listing".

Agreed. Craigslist is free (and can be weird) but only gets you a very limited audience. I sell worldwide (I use their global shipping program) and wouldn't be able to make the money that I make otherwise. So I do not expect that service to be free or even super cheap, they are providing a service that I cannot provide myself otherwise. And with just about anything these days, it isn't as cheap as it used to be.
 
Don't forget on ebay you are also now charged a percentage on your shipping costs which makes the overall percentage of fees higher
 
Don't forget on ebay you are also now charged a percentage on your shipping costs which makes the overall percentage of fees higher

This one, while annoying to the honest folks, is understandable. People were selling items for $0.99 and then charging something like $200 in shipping, etc, to avoid paying final value fees on the item. And it is still the same % in fee that is charged on the item's ending price, so you now pay a fee on the total amount charged instead of only on the item's price.
 
I was done with them LONG ago. Their fee structure is ridiculous, especially since ebay and paypal are the same company but they charge you for both.

When they forced you to use Paypal I walked. Paypal wants access to my bank account.. NO WAY EVER! The one time I left a credit card on file they charged all kinds of creative things... they are not touching my cash!
 
When they forced you to use Paypal I walked. Paypal wants access to my bank account.. NO WAY EVER! The one time I left a credit card on file they charged all kinds of creative things... they are not touching my cash!

You just open a bank account just for paypal. You don't give them your main account.
 
I don't sell often but I did the other day will not ever again. The seller claims the item arrived broken so I said if they shipped it back I would refund them they said they already threw it away. Ebay let them get their money back under their buyer protection plan they just took it back from my paypal account. so they most likely still have my item and they have their $95.oo back
 
You just open a bank account just for paypal. You don't give them your main account.

Why should I give them access to that? It's still cash, my credit etc...

I don't trust PayPal and try to use them as little as possible. Their idea of "protection' is 'paypal got paid, we protected ourselves'

I see no reason to pay fees etc on a bank account for them to steal from. If you can't trust them why would you deal with them? :confused3
 
This one, while annoying to the honest folks, is understandable. People were selling items for $0.99 and then charging something like $200 in shipping, etc, to avoid paying final value fees on the item. And it is still the same % in fee that is charged on the item's ending price, so you now pay a fee on the total amount charged instead of only on the item's price.

I agree..that doesn't bother me, folks were scamming the shipping..and on Amazon paying $40 to sell is a big red flag for me..plus..a lot of my listed items are low cost..so $1.00 per item is a huge percentage...nope..no Amazon for me..I'll stick with Ebay..and our local FB things and craigs list-esque selling site is ok for certain things, but I live in a very small town and what I sell would generally not sell well at any of those venues.
 
I don't sell often but I did the other day will not ever again. The seller claims the item arrived broken so I said if they shipped it back I would refund them they said they already threw it away. Ebay let them get their money back under their buyer protection plan they just took it back from my paypal account. so they most likely still have my item and they have their $95.oo back

That does not make sense..the item must be verified as shipped back for a refund to be made.
 
I agree..that doesn't bother me, folks were scamming the shipping..and on Amazon paying $40 to sell is a big red flag for me..plus..a lot of my listed items are low cost..so $1.00 per item is a huge percentage...nope..no Amazon for me..I'll stick with Ebay..and our local FB things and craigs list-esque selling site is ok for certain things, but I live in a very small town and what I sell would generally not sell well at any of those venues.

Amazon only charges if you buy a store subscription or whatever they call it. Otherwise they take a percentage plus .99 for each listing when it sells. If you have their subscription you don't pay the .99 (you still pay the percentage).
 
That does not make sense..the item must be verified as shipped back for a refund to be made.

Well there are instances when ebay pays the refund out of their own pocket and the buyer doesn't have to ship it back.
 





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