Is Al Gore a traitor or has he simply lost his mind?

[Laugh O. Grams]

After reading this whole thread and the article that reported what VP Gore said, I, for the life of me, can't see how the statements made can in any way be likened to the recent cartoon that inflammed the Muslim world.

What VP Gore said, in essence, is that yes there was some wrongdoing at the hands of America (hello? Is that, like news, to anyone in the world?), and most of us in no way support these actions. How in the world is that inflammatory language? If anything, it supports America and our relationship with the many likeminded non-fanatical Arab communities.

 

[LuvDuke]

Is anyone here glad that the incoherent are not taking their backs?

And that is Bush's base today .......... the incoherent, the uninformed, the blind, the religious crack pots, the talking head hucksters, etc.

What you're seeing here is a reflection of what's going on across the country.

Btw, all this pumping up of Bush trying to make him look "presidential" and all this media offensive and what did it get Bush? His poll numbers are down to 38% again.

 

[bcvillastwo]

If what follows has already been said, I apologize.

And you're not actually at war - President Bush forgot to declare it against either of the two nations he instructed the invasions on.

Lets at least get the facts straight. First, under the U.S. Constitution the Congress declares war not the President. Second, the U.S. Congress did authorize the President to use force in Iraq but they did not declare war. Third, this is not the first time the U.S. has gone to war without Congress officially declaring war. Fourth, this type of thing has happened under both Democrat and Republican Presidents.

As to Al Gore shooting off his mouth on foreign soil, well the last I heard he has the right to do so. Do I think he's exercising good judgement? NO, but then from my standpoint that's not one of Al Gore's strong suits. Do I think his words give aide and comfort to our enemy? Yes, I do. We found out after Vietnam that the actions of people like Hanoi Jane did in fact give aid and comfort to our enemy. Do I think he is a traitor? Yes, I do, because his words can only seek to undermine the actions of the United States which is in my view, giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

Traitor: noun, a person who betrays their country, a cause, etc. (Compact Oxford Dictionary) or noun: someone who betrays his country by committing treason. Treason: noun, the crime of betraying one’s country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government.

Article III, Section 3 says the following, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

"The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

 

[DawnCt1]

And that is Bush's base today .......... the incoherent, the uninformed, the blind, the religious crack pots, the talking head hucksters, etc.

What you're seeing here is a reflection of what's going on across the country.

Btw, all this pumping up of Bush trying to make him look "presidential" and all this media offensive and what did it get Bush? His poll numbers are down to 38% again.

And Gore is the model of composure, sanity and sound advice. Please, please,please, get your party to nominate him for president in 2008. If they won't do it, start a grass roots movement. I want to see Al Gore on the campaign stage again, nothing could be more entertaining.!!!

 

[kydisneyfans]

No one disagrees on the power and the right to desent. The issue is where he has chosen to bash his country and create soundbites for Al Jazeera, in Saudi Arabia for thousands of dollars! It is at the very least, unbecoming behavior for an ex vice president to engage in. The man is an idiot. Furthermore, "not being helpful" doesn't just refer to the administration, it refers to the men and women who are deployed through out the theatre of operations, primarily in muslim countries.

Is it really any different than our current administration lining their pockets with millions of oil dollars while most of our country struggles to fuel their vehicles and heat their homes and Exxon makes record profits?

Maybe Gore did some good in letting the Muslims know that not all Americans are supprortive of this government-in fact 62% are not!!

 

[Charade]

And that is Bush's base today .......... the incoherent, the uninformed, the blind, the religious crack pots, the talking head hucksters, etc.

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Ah yes, whenever there is disagreement, resort to name calling and character assassination to make a point.

Nice work.

 

[LuvDuke]

And Gore is the model of composure, sanity and sound advice. Please, please,please, get your party to nominate him for president in 2008. If they won't do it, start a grass roots movement. I want to see Al Gore on the campaign stage again, nothing could be more entertaining.!!!

Add the hysterics to the list of what Bush's base is now.

 

[LuvDuke]

Ah yes, whenever there is disagreement, resort to name calling and character assassination to make a point.

Nice work.

There's namecalling and then there's accurate descriptions. And the meanderings of this thread illustrates that perfectly.

 

[DawnCt1]

Is it really any different than our current administration lining their pockets with millions of oil dollars while most of our country struggles to fuel their vehicles and heat their homes and Exxon makes record profits?

Maybe Gore did some good in letting the Muslims know that not all Americans are supprortive of this government-in fact 62% are not!!

Unless you can demostrate to me that the current administration is on the board of directors and has their money in anything but blind trusts, your arguement is nothing but a lot of leftist rhetoric. Interesting that the Gore family's holdings are heavily into Oxidental Petroleum and he attempts to curry favor with the Saudi's.

 

[CapeCodTenor]

Heavens be, I would never claim to be as intellegent as you. And the proof to back up your statement is what? I would love to read it.

I hope I understand correctly that you want proof answering the question why the majority of the US media won't print it. If I miss understood then I apologize. Here's a quote from the Boston Phoenix which answers the question as to why they won't print it.

Out of fear of retaliation from the international brotherhood of radical and bloodthirsty Islamists who seek to impose their will on those who do not believe as they do. This is, frankly, our primary reason for not publishing any of the images in question. Simply stated, we are being terrorized, and as deeply as we believe in the principles of free speech and a free press, we could not in good conscience place the men and women who work at the Phoenix and its related companies in physical jeopardy. As we feel forced, literally, to bend to maniacal pressure, this may be the darkest moment in our 40-year publishing history.

And here's the link to the site: The Boston Phoenix

 

[DawnCt1]

Maybe Gore did some good in letting the Muslims know that not all Americans are supprortive of this government-in fact 62% are not!!

Don't you find it interesting that when OBL quotes Americans, he quotes those from the left. Yup I am sure Al Gore has done a lot of good!

 

[crcormier]

Ah yes, whenever there is disagreement, resort to name calling and character assassination to make a point.

Nice work.

You're posting on a thread that the OP is using to call a man either crazy or a traitor because she disagrees with him. Why aren't you lambasting the OP?

 

[crcormier]

After reading this whole thread and the article that reported what VP Gore said, I, for the life of me, can't see how the statements made can in any way be likened to the recent cartoon that inflammed the Muslim world.

Because I don't think people actually read the article.

 

[wvrevy]

You're posting on a thread that the OP is using to call a man either crazy or a traitor because she disagrees with him. Why aren't you lambasting the OP?

EXCELLENT point, crcormier...Gee, it wouldn't be because he agrees with her, would it?

Calling someone a traitor because they had the nerve to apologize for how our country has acted. Might be a new low around here.

 

[dcentity2000]

I'm back and perplexed.

We're not meant to be bush-bashing - God knows that's easy enough.

We're meant to be deciding whether or not Al Gore is a traitor to the nation of the USA due to criticising his home country whilst being in another country - as well as whether or not he is sick.

So far, not one argument has been advanced that is close to reinforcing either assertion. There's a lot of bitterness towards anyone who considers the USA to be anything less than perfect, especially in front of a middle eastern audience (considered to be "the enemy" by the racist right). However, as always there is no substance.

The man said that certain aspects of the USA were terrible and he's right. The same goes for Europe - no nation is perfect. The best we can do is humbly own up to the fact and then try and do something about it.



Rich::

 

[Charade]

The Cartoon Hoax...

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/775

Radical Danish imams have deliberately incited hatred against Denmark, the country that had hospitably welcomed them in. To this end, while on a visit to Arab countries last month, they added three false, extremely offensive Muhammad “cartoons” to the twelve relatively mild ones published by Jyllands-Posten last September

Wow, I'm shocked.

 

[bcvillastwo]

His [President Bush's] poll numbers are down to 38% again.

Gee, I wonder what Winston Churchill's poll numbers might have been in the dark days of WWII before the allies began winning some battles?

If you look at the poll number for past Presidents what do they tell you? They tell me that the numbers go up and down on a regular basis.

Take a look at this link, it shows the high and low Presidential poll number for all Presidents back to Roosevelt.

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/hsrun.exe/Roperweb/PresJob/PresJob.htx;start=HS_index

Lets pick on Harry Truman. His high was 87 but his low was 22. That's a pretty big spread and a pretty low low, but how does history judge him? Well, I think most people familiar with Harry, the buck stops here, Truman think very favorably of him. But how do those who really know about Harry Truman view him.

In February and March 2005, the Federalist Society and The Wall Street Journal asked an ideologically balanced group of 130 prominent professors of history, law, political science and economics to rate the presidents on a 5-point scale, with 5 meaning highly superior and 1 meaning well below average. Eighty-five scholars responded, and the presidents are ranked in order of mean score, adjusted to give equal weight to Democratic- and Republican-leaning respondents.

They ranked Harry Truman No. 6 as "near great".

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007243

So, what can we now say about public opinon polls? In my mind, they tell us nothing other than public opinion sways just like the leaves on the trees. If we used public opinion polls as our guide we get one view, but in the rear view of history we get another view and often there is little correlation between public opinion and how Presidents are viewed under the microscope of history.

 

[jekajekalynn]

I'm back and perplexed.

We're not meant to be bush-bashing - God knows that's easy enough.

We're meant to be deciding whether or not Al Gore is a traitor to the nation of the USA due to criticising his home country whilst being in another country - as well as whether or not he is sick.

So far, not one argument has been advanced that is close to reinforcing either assertion. There's a lot of bitterness towards anyone who considers the USA to be anything less than perfect, especially in front of a middle eastern audience (considered to be "the enemy" by the racist right). However, as always there is no substance.

The man said that certain aspects of the USA were terrible and he's right. The same goes for Europe - no nation is perfect. The best we can do is humbly own up to the fact and then try and do something about it.



Rich::

Exactlly...

It's like what Al Franken wrote in one of his books a while back which basically says that SOME ppl love the US like one loves their Grandma... and Grandma is absolutly perfect all the time and can never do any wrong.. While others love America like one would love their bestfriend.. Where we love US , but knows it's not perfect and try to give 'it' advice and help it about how to be a better 'person'.

 

[dcentity2000]

Gee, I wonder what Winston Churchill's poll numbers might have been in the dark days of WWII before the allies began winning some battles?

I believe they were quite good, believe it or not. Of course, they dropped after the war because he was a rubbish peace time Prime Minister, but that's neither here nor there.



Rich::

 

[bcvillastwo]

Is it really any different than our current administration lining their pockets with millions of oil dollars while most of our country struggles to fuel their vehicles and heat their homes and Exxon makes record profits?

Where is the evidence? Respectfully, I would like proof that members of the administration are lining their pockets with millions of dollars from oil.

What about all of the "little people" who invest their hard earned dollars in oil stocks or mutual funds that buy oil stocks? Are these people "lining their pockets" with oil dollars too?

What if the oil companies were losing money? What would the "little people" and other investors be saying? I bet they would be *****ing that the oil companies are thieves, inept, white collar criminals. Ops that is already happening--anyone remember Enron?

Please read a good basic economics book or take a basic economics class. A money and banking course might be in order as well.