Inflation

We truly fear bloggers, lol!

And, just for the record, Covid and the cruise industry are not the topic of this thread.
Yeah, but you brought up vacationing too. I think you were just annoyed he took a pot shot at your state, fair enough, but I don't know that it's fair to discuss travel yourself and then tell someone travel (albeit more the cruise industry) is off topic for this thread.
 
A friend of mine's husband has a small business in which he is the exclusive US importer of some niche products. According to her, 2 years ago a container from China was $4,800 and now it's $23,000. It's $30,000 if you want to guarantee that the container is on the boat. She doesn't know how they'll stay in business with that high of markup.

The issues related to shipping containers is one of the biggest hurdles most companies are facing right now. The prices you posted are very real and for lower priced product categories those increases just can't be absorbed.

There are huge delays getting the containers received at a port and more issues getting the merchandise shipped out. A shortage of truckers and higher gas prices add more time delays and costs.

It is a bottleneck that is not getting any better and will be an issue for quite a while unfortunately.
 

The issues related to shipping containers is one of the biggest hurdles most companies are facing right now. The prices you posted are very real and for lower priced product categories those increases just can't be absorbed.

There are huge delays getting the containers received at a port and more issues getting the merchandise shipped out. A shortage of truckers and higher gas prices add more time delays and costs.

It is a bottleneck that is not getting any better and will be an issue for quite a while unfortunately.
Took me 3 months to get a shipping container for a delivery out of South Korea. But I did get it into Miami.
 
I want to be there. Also correct me if I’m wrong California is losing population while Florida is gaining population. Seems to me people don’t want to be in California.
Yup. But board rules prohibit discussion the reason people are leaving California.
 
not surprised-it's gone up allot and will go up even more with the ruined crops that normally go to feed. we are seeing daily on the news about the terrible impact the heat, smoke and drought have had on the crops in washington state-i suspect sharp increases in prices of allot of products that will hit the shelves come fall.

on inflation in general, i posted on another thread a few days ago about how i only buy some household items bi-annually or annually and did a side by side price comparison of the identical items when i went to repurchase this month-even scouring for the best deals/coupons...pet food up 20%/ paper products up 15% over the past 12 months.
Uh. That’s not the reason.
 
We could have deflation if you like. Of course people would be losing their jobs left and right again. Is that what you want? Or would you like to continue with the recovery?

Inflation has slowed from last month. The lumber futures people around here were on about in the last doom and gloom thread, OH NOES OH NOES LUMBER INFLATION!!! Have fallen from a high of $1670 in May and now sit at $492. But there has been nary a peep from those individuals. I would have thought as much as they were worried then, they might be celebrating now. But they're not. I guess it wasn't really about lumber prices.
Of course the doom and gloom threads on employment are long gone. OH NOES, WE ONLY ADDED 250K JOBS THIS MONTH, DEPRESSION COMING!!!! I would think these folks would be celebrating the 943k jobs last month on the top of 850k the month before but.....(crickets) I guess it wasn't really about employment either.
Used auto prices fell a bit last month ($2000 on average by some sources) But not mentioned. I guess it wasn't really about that either.

And speaking of those jobs, if all these businesses were closing, and people sitting on their butts collecting government checks (no doubt buying filet mignon and live Maine lobster with them) how in the heck did we add 943,000 jobs last month and 850,000 the month before? And how come of the few states that ended the extra check prior to the last reporting period as of this posting, two of them had unemployment unchanged, two had it drop by 0.1% and 5 had it rise by 0.1%? It would seem the predictions of lazy couch potatoes running out and grabbing these jobs and instant full employment were a bit uh.... off. Clearly then, there are a lot of other things going on.

As for us, we just got Boston Butt Roasts for 99 cents a pound, boneless skinless chicken breast for 1.49 a pound. 90-10 ground sirloin $3.59 80-20 ground chuck $3.29 These prices were all what I'd consider incredibly good. 2.19 is a good price for Boston Butt, 2.49 is a good price for the breast, and 4.09 is a good price for the Sirloin. Unfortunately no steaks were on sale and well steak prices haven't been that great all Summer. A buck a pound higher on average than last summer. That's the sale prices. The regular prices stayed the same. But I'm not paying those. :( But I did see brisket for 2.99 a pound a couple weeks ago. I bought 3. Gonna smoke em. I do realize that those of you in certain areas of New York and California will probably never see those prices. But that's because real estate is so expensive in those places.

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Look at this census map. Look at all that burnt Orange there. it's counties that lost population. It's actually 52% of counties in the U.S. Ironically for all the finger pointing and garbage dished out by Fox, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York City all gained. The losses were most heavily in the rural areas and the small and medium hubs that service them. So for much of the country, the problem isn't getting people off their dead rumps and getting them to take widely available awesome jobs. Not enough of such were available in these areas even before the pandemic. In fact, the census shows that many in these areas got off their rumps..... And moved away. If we're busy pointing our fingers at Seattle, because we're supposed to hate them, how are we ever to understand that Pine Bluff Arkansas needs help, let alone do anything about it? And even in a place like Palm Beach County that grew quite a bit, take a visit over to the western flank of your own county. You'll find plenty of people in need there even though that area grew also.

TL. DR

But I love the US map divided by counties.
 
And there are still plans for more multi-trillion dollar stimulus/infrastructure packages. Pretty soon our currency will be the equivalent to Monopoly money.

If that is true then why are the bond holders willing to accept 1.5% interest rates on 10 years government bonds. If we were heading towards Monopoly money no one would be buying our bonds.
 
Will reducing unemployment compensation send some people back to work? Of course it will! But that's just one factor in a much bigger, much more complicated issue.

This is a really crappy way to treat people. Let's give you unemployment that isn't enough to live on, so that you can be exploited by employers wanting to pay people less than you need to live on.
 
If that is true then why are the bond holders willing to accept 1.5% interest rates on 10 years government bonds. If we were heading towards Monopoly money no one would be buying our bonds.

You have a bunch of fearful retired folk that need a safe place to put their money. If they put in all in equities and equities dropped by 50%, they wouldn't have enough money for retirement. Also, certain funds and pensions require a certain percentage of money in safe assets like investment grade bonds.
 
If we are going to have Monopoly money they are going to lose far more than 50% due to inflation over 10 years.
 
This is a really crappy way to treat people. Let's give you unemployment that isn't enough to live on...
Unemployment was never intended to be a permanent lifestyle foundation that people can live on. It is meant to provide some temporary help during hopefully short periods of unemployment.
so that you can be exploited by employers wanting to pay people less than you need to live on...
I know you meant to say "can't" be exploited, not can.

But employee compensation is not, and never has been, determined by what the employee needs to live.

Neither is pay. Pay is determined by the value contributed to the company by the employee -- by the employer's calculation.

You can hope for a wage wherever you want, but some jobs are simply not worth that much to the employer. So what happens is what we've seen over and over in industry after industry. Workers are eliminated, or their hours reduced, so the employer can stay in business and make an acceptable level of profit.

Without an acceptable level of profit, the business closes and ALL employees are out of work.
 
It is because it is one of the most expensive states in the country to live. California is basically a victim of its own success.
Thank goodness they are leaving. Way too crowded and traffic is horrendous. I love going to Florida.
(well not right now)
 
You have a bunch of fearful retired folk that need a safe place to put their money. If they put in all in equities and equities dropped by 50%, they wouldn't have enough money for retirement. Also, certain funds and pensions require a certain percentage of money in safe assets like investment grade bonds.
If we are going to have Monopoly money they are going to lose far more than 50% due to inflation over 10 years.
You're both right.
 
I want to be there. Also correct me if I’m wrong California is losing population while Florida is gaining population. Seems to me people don’t want to be in California.

It is really hard to say how good that data is, though, because of the issues with the administration of the count. Locally, undercounted communities appear to have been even more dramatically undercounted than usual, resulting in Census data that doesn't line up with other measures of population size/movement. And a large chunk of California's population is made up of historically undercounted communities.
 
It is really hard to say how good that data is, though, because of the issues with the administration of the count. Locally, undercounted communities appear to have been even more dramatically undercounted than usual, resulting in Census data that doesn't line up with other measures of population size/movement. And a large chunk of California's population is made up of historically undercounted communities.
We have the same issue in Florida. I live in a county that is more than 70% "historically undercounted communities."
 
Unemployment was never intended to be a permanent lifestyle foundation that people can live on. It is meant to provide some temporary help during hopefully short periods of unemployment.
I know you meant to say "can't" be exploited, not can.

But employee compensation is not, and never has been, determined by what the employee needs to live.

Neither is pay. Pay is determined by the value contributed to the company by the employee -- by the employer's calculation.

You can hope for a wage wherever you want, but some jobs are simply not worth that much to the employer. So what happens is what we've seen over and over in industry after industry. Workers are eliminated, or their hours reduced, so the employer can stay in business and make an acceptable level of profit.

Without an acceptable level of profit, the business closes and ALL employees are out of work.

Employers pay the least amount possible. That's exploitation. And the pandemic has woken people up to the idea that maybe they should make more money. If a business goes under because it depends on poverty level wages for its employees, then that's a good thing.

What we're seeing today is that people are pushing back, and employers that want to pay really low can't find people. No one should accept a job that pays less than its costs for them to live. No one.

Profit margins that have grown for years are going to shrink. That's the reality. Expect to pay more for goods and services in the future. Some inflation is here to stay.
 


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