Increasing restrictions on Transfers and Rentals??!!

[blizzard]

There have been differing reports about this. It appears, clearly, that they are going to allow name changes on the member's own reservations (i.e., where the member is named on the reservation and will be there). I suspect, and hope, that they are NOT going to allow name changes on rooms that do not have the member's name on the reservation both before and after the change. Those rooms should go back to the waiting list, IMHO, before being released back to the member's control. This will greatly reduce speculative reservations, IMHO, while still allowing members to make changes for their own trips.

Would that really work though? Wouldn't it be equally simple to make a speculative reservation and put a "friend's" name on it to begin with, and then when you want to change to your renter, call member services and tell them that your original "friend" can't make it, but you found another "friend" to go in their place. I'm sure it happens legitimately all the time, and to tell someone a month or two before the reservation that they can't transfer the reservation is a "big" rule change.

Many people have come up with legitimate scenarios where this could happen (family reunion, wedding, etc.) You put a name on a room that you are sure will be there, but then something comes up and they can't make it, but someone else in the family wants the room. Should you lose the room?

I think they should just leave the policy the way it is - you are allowed to change the names on the reservations at any time. Too many complications to try to lock you into every name at 11 months out.

(This comes from someone who has done 3 rentals in 10 years, so hardly a commercial renter, but I love the flexibility if I need it. I have done legitimate name changes/additions/cancellations with a month or two to go.)

 

[LIFERBABE]

............ I'm sure it happens legitimately all the time, and to tell someone a month or two before the reservation that they can't transfer the reservation is a "big" rule change.

Many people have come up with legitimate scenarios where this could happen (family reunion, wedding, etc.) You put a name on a room that you are sure will be there, but then something comes up and they can't make it, but someone else in the family wants the room. Should you lose the room?

I think they should just leave the policy the way it is - you are allowed to change the names on the reservations at any time. Too many complications to try to lock you into every name at 11 months out.

I agree! I am looking at the same situation. I have a family reunion coming up and I know we will need several rooms. Right now, I am not sure what the final makeup of our group will be, but I know it will be a group and I will need those rooms.
I was also told by MS last week that I could change the names on a reservation, so this would be a new development. And there is nothing in the POS that states names cannot be changed.

 

[Lady V]

cut down on rentals. too many prime weeks booked and then sold and we can't get them. JMHO
__________________well, hope I don't tick off too many people here but I for one am glad if they


The above comment does make me mad and I generally rent more points at times from other members. When you pay for the points and pay maintenance on the points then you have the expectation that you can use them, or if unable to use them them then you can rent them to others. If you don't get the times you want so be it. I have to compete for the weeks like everyone else and I have been unsuccessful at times even at the 11 month window.
This wouldn't be a problem at all if DVC had a competent Software program that tracks the points correctly. With the money Disney makes it would seem like a quick fix. Until this is fixed then a legitimate loss of fair competition is happening at the smaller timeshares of which I'm a member. Once this is fixed then I frankly don't feel I have a right to tell someone else how or when to use their points and I for one love being able to rent or transfer points when I need to . I can even live with the one transfer per year clause though I feel it is the wrong solution to the point morphing problem.

well, I don't think you understand what I said. I said I think they should CUT DOWN on rentals. I think people should be able to rent points when needed but if it is obvious that certain members are pretty much only renting then it is a problem to me. and the good thing is we can all have our own opinions.

 

[reesecup]

My feelings on the rental/transferring issue is this: we personally bought into DVC with the intentions of using the majority of our points, but if we NEED to rent on rare occasion, we are able to in order to help cover maintenance fee costs. I just don't see anything wrong with someone doing that. HOWEVER, people who have purchased a ton of points and that's ALL their doing is a different story. I think Disney staff members should be able to distinguish between the two. It should take a genius to notice when someone has a ton of points and they are rarely on a reservation and have many other names on it. Just my 2 cents. I am planning on renting a reservation I have in the near future instead of cancelling to help with our costs this year and I hope I won't have a problem or else I guess we will just be selling ... I think Disney needs to be careful about how strict they are becoming and they need to weed out the members who have a huge amount of points and are renting all the time as opposed to an occasional renter.. OR else they may have many members who begin seriously thinking about selling. JMHO

 

[AnnaS]

There have been differing reports about this. It appears, clearly, that they are going to allow name changes on the member's own reservations (i.e., where the member is named on the reservation and will be there). I suspect, and hope, that they are NOT going to allow name changes on rooms that do not have the member's name on the reservation both before and after the change. Those rooms should go back to the waiting list, IMHO, before being released back to the member's control. This will greatly reduce speculative reservations, IMHO, while still allowing members to make changes for their own trips.

Hi Doc

I try not to get involved too much in these conversations - but let's say when my 11 month window opens up, I reserve a 1 BDR for myself and a studio for my son and a friend (22 yr. olds), hoping they can join him/us. Now who knows where they will be 11 months from now or what they will be doing or if they can afford it - I tell my son to go ahead and invite about 5-6 months before - or they decide they can't come at this time - I want to now ask my sister and her family or my parents (I know someone will come and I want to treat because that is just the way I am - does that mean that studio should go back to someone in a waiting list before I extend my invite? I am not sure I am following this correctly. Obviously, if no one can come - I would just cancel and save my precious points for a longer stay/larger accomodation or use them toward a dcl cruise.

I could also invite my other son's friend (19 yr. olds). I know I will find someone to jump on my offer

 

[chainkid]

A s usual someone says that they don't like something so they want the rules changed. I have banked and borrowed points for a family reunion. If someone in my family doesn't want to go I might invite someone else. By the previous posters comments this should not be allowed. To that I say when you buy and pay for my points then you can put restrictions on those points but please refrain from trying to control points you don't own. Why should I lose the rooms that I booked and put them back into Inventory. I paid For my points and should be allowed to have whoever I want to share my rooms right up until the last minute which includes renting one if I wanted or had to. Some
people bought alot of points because they plan to retire and would like to have a few weeks in Florida when that day arrives. If they choose to rent points now why should I care. They have a right to those points. The only problem that needs to be corrected is the point morphing, everything else should be the owner of the points descretion period. If you want to stay at a particular resort other than your own, right now you can rent from another member to get that home advantage, trade with a member or book your own resort and transfer out at 7 month window. This suits me fine. all the restrictions you put on is hurting the person who has more points and has a bigger investment in DVC then most. They pay a premium in maintenance.
Put the burden of fixing the problem on DVC not members. The beauty of DVC is that it has been so flexible, it seems strange people want to limit that flexibility.

 

[dumbo71]

A s usual someone says that they don't like something so they want the rules changed. I have banked and borrowed points for a family reunion. If someone in my family doesn't want to go I might invite someone else. By the previous posters comments this should not be allowed. To that I say when you buy and pay for my points then you can put restrictions on those points but please refrain from trying to control points you don't own. Why should I lose the rooms that I booked and put them back into Inventory. I paid For my points and should be allowed to have whoever I want to share my rooms right up until the last minute which includes renting one if I wanted or had to. Some
people bought alot of points because they plan to retire and would like to have a few weeks in Florida when that day arrives. If they choose to rent points now why should I care. They have a right to those points. The only problem that needs to be corrected is the point morphing, everything else should be the owner of the points descretion period. If you want to stay at a particular resort other than your own, right now you can rent from another member to get that home advantage, trade with a member or book your own resort and transfer out at 7 month window. This suits me fine. all the restrictions you put on is hurting the person who has more points and has a bigger investment in DVC then most. They pay a premium in maintenance.
Put the burden of fixing the problem on DVC not members. The beauty of DVC is that it has been so flexible, it seems strange people want to limit that flexibility.

Just wondering if you attended my seminar on posting?

Your post makes absolute sense. Those that oppose renting/transfers do so, IMO, out of gut reactions. Those same people would never want someone dictating how thay could use THEIR points. Yet they would like to tell the rest of us what we can/should do with our points.

Honestly you will likely take the flames for your post when in fact you should be nominated for the post of the year.

Thank you for this post.

 

[chainkid]

Again if someone buys a large amount of points and pays maintenance on those same points they aren't suppose to use them because some one who owns a smaller amount might get shut out from a time they want. I am an owner with only 602 points and I never have enough points and would buy more but I can't afford the maintenance. I'm also pushing retirement age where spending a couple months at Disney is very appealing to me. If I had the money I might buy more points than I need presently in order to have more later. Renting some of those points out to cover my costs now would seem like a good plan. I envy those who have done this and do not see the harm they are doing as ultimately someone will own those points and be competing against me for reservations. By putting restrictions on for whatever reason you are ultimately hurting the DVC members with the most points , the very people who have invested the most and are helping to pay for the upkeep of our timeshare. Having rented points on many occasions, let me tell you it is work for both people involved and alot of trust. So think of the whole picture and how others buying in have thought before trying to change the rules. The name thing is a rule change that if it gets too restictive will cause havoc within the membership quickly.

 

[greenban]

Here is a clarification.

I can personally confirm, that the one transfer per use year is per Member, not per membership. One transfer per person, per year. Not per membership/master contract.

-Tony

 

[castleri]

Here is a clarification.

I can personally confirm, that the one transfer per use year is per Member, not per membership. One transfer per person, per year. Not per membership/master contract.

-Tony

So how does this work please? I have an SSR contract in my name only. DH and I have an OKW contract with both names. If DH calls and asks for a transfer to my daughter's BCV contract from our OKW contract does that mean I can still do a transfer in one direction from or to the SSR contract if needed either to our OKW contract or to a stranger. This is getting very confusing. I have only done a transfer of points once and it was before the enforcement of the policy that has recently taken place and was for 3 points to my daughter.

 

[reesecup]

It should take a genius to notice when someone has a ton of points and they are rarely on a reservation and have many other names on it.

Sorry...of course we all know that should say "it should NOT take a genius....." . Sometimes my fingers get ahead of my brain. Or else my brain is just fried most of the time.

Many good points are being made in regards to this , I might add. And I do agree with some of the other posts, if I'm buying something and putting that much money into it, it is not right for someone else to tell what I can or can not do with it. Now, had Disney stated that I could not , whatsover , rent or let my family use my points for trips , then if I decided to buy (which I wouldn't have b/k I'm not good with restrictions when buying most things), I wouldn't have too much to complain about. But, of course, it wasn't like that and we were told we could let other family members enjoy our points if we chose to OR rent points out if needed. That's what we were told anyway.

 

[Dean]

Here is a clarification.

I can personally confirm, that the one transfer per use year is per Member, not per membership. One transfer per person, per year. Not per membership/master contract.

-Tony

I would challenge that on several levels. It is different than my past experience plus it is not c/w the new wording in the multi site POS which says "one transfer per membership". If it were to be per person, each person on the contract would get a transfer. ome who own totally separate contracts don't have the same owners listed on all master contracts.

 

[RobDoc]

Here is a clarification.

I can personally confirm, that the one transfer per use year is per Member, not per membership. One transfer per person, per year. Not per membership/master contract.

-Tony

So, you are "personally confirming" that a member with multiple contracts cannot transfer points from one of his own contracts into another in order to make a reservation? .. or this one of those posts that no one should believe?

 

[dumbo71]

So, you are "personally confirming" that a member with multiple contracts cannot transfer points from one of his own contracts into another in order to make a reservation? .. or this one of those posts that no one should believe?

I thought he meant that it is one transfer per member regardless of how many contracts owned. I don't believe anything was stated about transferring between contracts.

Maybe I read that wrong?????

 

[RobDoc]

Well, by that defintion, if I transfer from one of my memberships into another of my memberships - that would be two transfers for one member.

 

[Inkmahm]

I thought he meant that it is one transfer per member regardless of how many contracts owned. I don't believe anything was stated about transferring between contracts.

Maybe I read that wrong?????

I read it the same as you. If my husband and I have contracts at BWV, AKV and VWL... I think greenban is saying he believes I can make one transfer and my husband can make another transfer in each year.

I'm not sure that is accurate, but it seems to be what he is saying.

 

[kimberh]

I have excepted two transfers into 2 of my DVC properties for 2006 uy. They are the same ownership... as far as making a reservation and not having all the names. I made a Dec reservation for my family. I told MS that I needed to talk to them, some are married, MS said, I need some names, I gave them some and asked if I can change them If I need to. The answer is, yes!

 

[greenban]

So how does this work please? I have an SSR contract in my name only. DH and I have an OKW contract with both names. If DH calls and asks for a transfer to my daughter's BCV contract from our OKW contract does that mean I can still do a transfer in one direction from or to the SSR contract if needed either to our OKW contract or to a stranger. This is getting very confusing. I have only done a transfer of points once and it was before the enforcement of the policy that has recently taken place and was for 3 points to my daughter.

Talk about confusing, you are right. I have four MEMBERSHIPS, and I am stuck with 9 banked points in one. I found a nice DISer to transfer me some points, and when he tried, he was told he couldn't. (BTW, the day before with an experienced 'good' advisor, I had her check, and this membership has never had any transfered points in or out since I've owned it, she said I could transfer once without a problem.

I double checked with my point source, and his points were clean as well (In the past, this has ocurred when someone tried to transfer me points, and they had already transferred in, but not in this case).

I called and got a newer guide, 20 minutes later he found a transfer in one of my other memberships on 3/17/2006. I explained that with a Use Year of April, that was 2005 points. He then said one transfer per year, I asked Use Year, back on hold I went. The manager told him, I would be eligable again in October, I asked why not April of 07? I also asked with one transfer per year, how could I transfer points to myself, as that would be out from one membership and into another membership? He said self-transfers are unlimited. I said no they are not, because my 3/06 transfer was between my own memberships, which he confirmed.

At that point I asked to speak with his manager, who after a 15 minute wait wasn't available. I did not let on that I heard the manager 'whispering' in the background. I asked for a call back, I was promised one sometime today.

The only thing Iam coming away with, is one transfer per Member. In your case, your memberships may be titled differently, mine are not. If titled differently, you will be able to transfer between each member ship, once per use year (each mebership's UY).

Should be fun when the 'manager' calls me back. I wonder who will be whispering in their ear?

-Tony

 

[greenban]

I would challenge that on several levels. It is different than my past experience plus it is not c/w the new wording in the multi site POS which says "one transfer per membership". If it were to be per person, each person on the contract would get a transfer. ome who own totally separate contracts don't have the same owners listed on all master contracts.

Dean:

I am challenging this, but all 4 of my memberships are corporately owned, with one contact person (me) listed. (For asset protection reasons, that I choose not to detail).

-Tony

 

[greenban]

So, you are "personally confirming" that a member with multiple contracts cannot transfer points from one of his own contracts into another in order to make a reservation? .. or this one of those posts that no one should believe?

I am personally confirming that I was not allowed to accept apoint transfer into my October UY contract, which has never had a transfer since I have owned it (2 full use years now, into the third), because I had a 3/2006 transfer out of my own April UY (Thus UY 2005) contract.

You have to decide if you should believe this, If I'm seeking attention, I got an un-informed Advisor, rhis is the newest policy implementation or some combo.

-Tony