If anyone from the NFL reads here- IT'S OVER THEY HAVE SETTLED!!!

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So this call was easy, right? Anyone could see it, it was obvious, right? These replacement refs have no idea what they're doing, right?

Then why can't OTHER football officials agree on the call... http://forum.officiating.com/football/92493-last-play-gb-seattle.html?

This is a link to an officials forum. Currently the thread discussing the last play is up to 8 pages. If this was such a "no brainer" call, shouldn't all officials be able to agree? ESPECIALLY considering they have the advantage of slo-motion replays?

First they aren't all American Football refs, second they aren't NFL refs and third I can go on there and register and call myself a ref. So what were you saying?
 
The game is final and the Seahawks were awarded the win. While there will be debate about the outcome, the win won't be reversed. Games have been decided by bad calls for years, so this isn't something new with the replacement refs. Perhaps the issue is more that the Patriots and Packers are two of the more popular teams in the NFL and both lost on the last play of the game to worldwide television audiences. One thing the NFL will never be is perfect.

It really is more than that. In the case of my home team, there have been calls each week where the refs didn't know the rules. A penalty that would be 15 yards is given 20, a ball that is suppose to go to the spot where it was down ends up at the line of scrimmage. There are basic rules to the game of football (and all sports) and some of these refs clearly don't know the rules. I agree that there will always be bad calls but some of the things happening over the past three weeks have been very amateur. In the case of my team, they suck and it hasn't made a bit of difference in the outcome, but that doesn't make it any less ridiculous.
 
First they aren't all American Football refs, second they aren't NFL refs and third I can go on there and register and call myself a ref. So what were you saying?
Right, and everyone griping here about the call is an NFL ref that's been locked out. ;)

Also, I've been on that board for years (actually started to get softball information). I've been reading many of these guys posts for as long as I've been there. So unless you actually think someone has joined an officials message board and made thousands of posts regarding various rulings JUST to make the replacement refs look good, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
Went home for lunch and DH had the tv on ESPN. According to what they were saying, the play was reviewed by the replay officials, as all scoring play are being reviewed starting this year.

According to the report, the official review ruling was - that the call on the field stands. NOT confirmed, but stands. That doesn't mean that the call was correct, just that there wasn't - by the opition of the official doing the reveiws - enough video evidance to overturn the call on the field.
 

Went home for lunch and DH had the tv on ESPN. According to what they were saying, the play was reviewed by the replay officials, as all scoring play are being reviewed starting this year.

According to the report, the official review ruling was - that the call on the field stands. NOT confirmed, but stands. That doesn't mean that the call was correct, just that there wasn't - by the opition of the official doing the reveiws - enough video evidance to overturn the call on the field.
And I understand the replay officials are the "normal" replay officials.
 
I think anyone that has a ticket to any NFL game next week should stay home. Lost revenue is the only thing that will get the owners attention.

Yes, I realize tickets have already been sold, so no $$ lost there, but there will be plenty lost for parking, walk up tickets and concessions.
 
Right, and everyone griping here about the call is an NFL ref that's been locked out. ;)

Also, I've been on that board for years (actually started to get softball information). I've been reading many of these guys posts for as long as I've been there. So unless you actually think someone has joined an officials message board and made thousands of posts regarding various rulings JUST to make the replacement refs look good, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

When refs that have been fired from the Lingerie Football League for incompetence are officiating NFL games, yeah, that's a problem.

http://deadspin.com/5946112/
 
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And I understand the replay officials are the "normal" replay officials.

I don't know if they are or not. I just know someone questioned why wasn't the play reviewed. I was just supplying an answer to that and what the outcome was.
 
I don't know if they are or not. I just know someone questioned why wasn't the play reviewed. I was just supplying an answer to that and what the outcome was.
I wasn't questioning you, I was just adding for extra information (which could be wrong of course).
 
Sorry, I quoted the wrong post. I meant to quote your other one. :)
I'm still confused, but OK.

Look, I'm not saying these guys are as good as the regular refs. Heck, they're not even as good as regular Division I refs. But if they didn't do the job, there would be NO games.

As someone mentioned on the officials board I linked to, the GB/Seattle play itself is a fluke that you see once every couple decades. It's possible "regular" refs would have made the same call.
 
The NFL just put out this statement:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...seahawks-touchdown?module=HP11_headline_stack

Editor's note: The following is a statement issued by the NFL regarding Golden Tate's game-winning touchdown catch at the conclusion of Monday night's game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks:

In Monday's game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks, Seattle faced a 4th-and-10 from the Green Bay 24 with eight seconds remaining in the game.

Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball.

While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.

When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.

Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.

The result of the game is final.

Applicable rules to the play are as follows:

A player (or players) jumping in the air has not legally gained possession of the ball until he satisfies the elements of a catch listed here.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 of the NFL Rule Book defines a catch:

A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).
When a player (or players) is going to the ground in the attempt to catch a pass, Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 states:

Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 states:

Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
 
I'm with Flightless Duck ~ I'm done with the NFL until they bring back the real refs.
 
I didn't understand how the replay officials didnt overturn that call until this am, but apparently the replay rules CANNOT determine possession, only if it was a catch (i.e. it didn't the ground). I bet the replay officials wanted to overturn the call, but the rule book wouldn't let them. Bad call and incomplete rules.

Actually simultaneous possession in the end zone is a reviewable play, anywhere else it isn't but scoring plays are treated differently. That compounds the mistake, it was bad enough to make it live but much worse not to change after looking at the video.
 
The official that signaled touchdown only has high school and junior high football experience. The one that signaled touchback has arena experience only. Why is the NFL entrusting a billion dollar business to guys that make less than the average person? It is nonsensical.
 
The Broncos head coach was fined $30,000 for his behavior last week during a Monday night game and an assistant coach was fined $25,000 for the same thing. Now this week, they have three coaches (either head or assistant) from three different teams whose behavior is being investigated. I saw at least one team lose a game on Sunday because of bad calls. When are they going to get it that the coaches aren't an issue...the refs are?
 


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