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Another point I'd like to make involves the question of why the rush to tax or cut taxes when at this point we don't really know the cost of doing anything. Yes there are certain things that must be done right away so immediate action needs to be taken to address those needs.

On the other hand, at this point we don't have a clue how much private money is going to be available for rebuilding. I assume that many business and home owners had insurance and that insurance proceeds will cover some of the cost of rebuilding businesses and homes.

Then there is federal flood insurance, I suspect that the flood insurance will cover another portion of the business and home losses and help with rebuilding. (Yep I realize the the money may not actually be there in the flood insurance accounts and they may have to take these funds out of operating accounts. However, the flood insurance program is supposed to be self sustaining so I suspect that any additional funding could be treated as a loan that would eventually be repaid with premiums.)

Another broad area that no one seems to be talking about is how much is due those that have had to leave New Orleans and other damaged areas from Social Security, other retirement accounts, and the various streams of welfare funding that was already going to these people in the first place?

I suspect that when everything is broken down and figured into the equation that the cost may be a good deal less, or at least in theory it should be less.

I understand that for a bit the government (federal, state, and local and private charity) will be needed to help many of these people until their normal income streams can kick back online. But after the income streams are restored then some of the huge amout of money that we are talking about should be able to stop. (or go to other purposes)

The point I am trying to make is that no one knows how much this is going to cost, no one has had the time to sit down and figure out everything that needs to be done, or how they are going to do it. If they don't know the total picture then how can anyone say how much "extra" it will cost us taxpayers?
 
ThAnswer, you know it is very possible that my calculations are off a bit. Please take a look at the following link and work your magic. If I am wrong them I apologize to everyone up front. I still make mistakes, darn I hate being humans sometimes, what a burden not being perfect.

lolhttp://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

You might try this link as well. You will find that the information they use is not as recent but in my view it pretty much arrives at the same conclusion.

http://www.allegromedia.com/sugi/taxes/

I look forward to your interpretation of the numbers.
 
wvrevy said:
"Christian principles" ?!?

:rotfl:

Since when has "screw the other guy, I'm getting mine" been a "Christian Principle" ? :rolleyes:


I'm talking about the USA, the country I know and am proud of, not you.
 
peachgirl said:
Your link isn't working...

Working better than any country I know. :sunny:

This country's not perfect, but seems a lot more people want to get in than out. (Canada is still waiting for the hoard from the USA that said they would leave after the last election.)
 

JoeEpcotRocks said:
I'm talking about the USA, the country I know and am proud of, not you.
Really ? I'll show you my honorable discharge papers if you show me yours. For such a "proud" American, I'm sure you served, right ?

:rotfl:

Lots of things to be proud of in this country...but it's got its warts, too. Ignoring things like the fact that this country was built on the backs of the poor largely to the benefit of the wealthy doesn't make it not have happened. Read a little history some time.
 
wvrevy said:
Lots of things to be proud of in this country...but it's got its warts, too. Ignoring things like the fact that this country was built on the backs of the poor largely to the benefit of the wealthy doesn't make it not have happened. Read a little history some time.
Yes indeed, everyone who has been successful to any degree in this country has done it only by climbing up on the backs of the poor. :rolleyes2 While there are certainly some instances of some doing this, issuing a blanket condemnation of the wealthy like you've done doesn't make it true. But I suppose some still believe if you repeat something often enough it may magically become true. :confused3
 
ThAnswr said:
There's nothing wrong with it. However, I don't believe you're going to come up with the dollars needed simply by cutting the "pork".

And here's an idea: Take a long, deep look into how the Defense Department is spending money. Now, you may start racking up those dollars.

There's waste in every crack and crevice of government, local, state and federal. The Defense Department has a long history of wasteful spending.
 
wvrevy said:
I pay what I'm asked to pay. If asked to pay more, I will. Yes, taxes are forced payments. If you don't like that, then you're in the wrong country, though I don't know of any that doesn't have taxes . As toto2 pointed out, the vast majority of the projects that receive funding from taxes are things that no private sector company would touch.



How would you suggest we pay for roads ? National defense ? Police, fire, and such ? Should education only be available to those that can afford it ? Should retirement be unavailable to 98% of the population ? Should medicine be unavailable to the poor ? All of those things have to be paid for somehow...so how do you suggest we do it ? By taxing the poor ? Even though there are a growing number of them, I don't think that would get us very far...Kinda counter-productive, know what I mean ? :rotfl:

As for how much of an increase I'm willing to accept...I'd have to figure that out for my own household. But it's not my household that would see the greatest increases anyway, since our income falls well short of $1,000,000 per year. Just rolling back the Bush tax cuts for the rich would go a long way towards paying for everything that the Republicans are spending.

I know and agree that taxes are necessary but the issue isn't to eliminate taxes, it's wanting to know when is enough is enough? You seem to be willing to let them dig deeper into your pocket whenever necessary but I'm not. So what is the answer? You already stated something that would stop the hemorrhaging from my wallet. Stop the unnecessary and wasteful spending. By BOTH parties.

I don't understand why you *have* such disdain for the wealthy. It's for the sole reason that you believe they should contribute more (percentage wise) than those that make considerably less. I don't. I think we should all pay an equal percentage (above a certain income level). We don't tax the poor as it is. In fact, if they are eligible, they get more money than they actually earn! No one ever got a job from a poor person. But plenty of people have jobs *because* of rich people.
 
wvrevy said:
Really ? I'll show you my honorable discharge papers if you show me yours. For such a "proud" American, I'm sure you served, right ?

:rotfl:

Lots of things to be proud of in this country...but it's got its warts, too. Ignoring things like the fact that this country was built on the backs of the poor largely to the benefit of the wealthy doesn't make it not have happened. Read a little history some time.

This country was mainly built on the backs of great individuals -- many of whom overcame poverty and their circumstances. Just like many great people in the Bible.

Yes the country has some warts, but I've read a great deal of history thank you and I am indeed proud of this great nation. :sunny:
 
ThAnswr said:
Tell that to Bush who's been "mea culpa-ing" so many times, his next speech is going to feature him wearing sackcloth and ashes.

You mean something like this?

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I pay what I'm asked to pay. If asked to pay more, I will. Yes, taxes are forced payments.

When you do your tax return, do you spend any of your time and/or money trying to minimize (legally) the amount you'll pay to the federal government?
 
bsnyder said:
When you do your tax return, do you spend any of your time and/or money trying to minimize (legally) the amount you'll pay to the federal government?


"legally". What is this you speak of? :teeth:
 
Because Americans are very kind and caring people. We want to help out any way that we can. The government will do it's share, the insurance companies will do their share and the American people will do what is in their hearts.
 
toto2 said:
Taxes , for me , are the great equalizer : everybody pitch in for the common good, according to there means .

This is called communism. Ask Russia how well this worked.
 
mickeyfan2 said:
This is called communism. Ask Russia how well this worked.
As a notion, communism is very noble - to each according to their needs and so on.

Communism doesn't, however, take into account human greed and cynicism and as such just doesn't work; it's sad, but it's true.

I heard an interesting statistic recently that said that one in three Russians would like to have Stalin back in power more than any other leader (cue quips on his current vitality.) He brought great suffering to many, proving that facism and communism can indeed be muxed.

It's a fascinating bit of history, the USSR.



Rich::
 
dcentity2000 said:

How is President Bush conservative if he spends so much?

Come to that, how is President Clinton a socialist if he DIDN'T spend so much?



Rich::

Sorry, took me awhile to respond, but I'll put it this way... Bush is not at all conservative when it comes to spending. No getting around that one.

Clinton was only conservative by comparison (I don't think any of them qualify), but of recent occupants of the office, he's the most conservative in terms of spending.

Bear in mind, I'm no great fan of President Clinton. But in terms of spending, there's no contest. He did a far better job of at least limiting the growth of spending somewhat.
 
bcvillastwo said:
So what do you mean by "rich"?

Anybody but me. :rotfl2:

Seriously, I agree with you. I get tired of others telling me I don't pay enough. They are the ones who are in the lower 50%. I am paying both their share and my share. What I really love is the argument that tax cuts are for the rich and the poor don't get anything. I should get it if I paid it. If they paid it they would get it too.
 
dcentity2000 said:

As a notion, communism is very noble - to each according to their needs and so on.

Communism doesn't, however, take into account human greed and cynicism and as such just doesn't work; it's sad, but it's true.




Greed on the part of whom? Those that earned it and want to keep or on the part of those that didn't earn it and want to take it? Or both?

And no, I don't think it's a noble idea at all.
 
Communism is a fantasy that completely ignores human nature - both the good and the bad.
 
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