We were there the Friday Before Halloween last year, it was sold out and it still wasn't that crowded. We too are used to value season crowds, but really, other than fantasyland, the lines weren't bad at all and we went there first, got it done and moved on before it got crowded. We had dinner at 4:45 at the castle, got out in time to get herded over to the waiting area, rode some rides, saw the first parade, fireworks, hit all the trick or treat areas, saw everything we wanted to see and left exhausted at 11:30. Seriously, we did everything we wanted to with no problems at all!