Honolulu to Vancouver 3-1-24

[LeslieG]

I am looking at the 10nt Honolulu to Vancouver cruise on 3/1/24. If this has been discussed elsewhere, please forgive me, but do we know what the Wonder will be doing from Vancouver in March after this sailing? It will be too early for Alaska.

 

[fitnessmouse]

Probably down to San Diego and do a couple cruises from there. Then go back up to Vancouver for Alaska season

 

[LeslieG]

Would that be legal to do Honolulu to Vancouver and then Vancouver to San Diego as a back-to-back?

 

[Marc D]

Would that be legal to do Honolulu to Vancouver and then Vancouver to San Diego as a back-to-back?

No. There is no Hawaii exception to the PVSA at this time, only Puerto Rico and Alaska. That‘s why Pride of America from NCL is US-registered. The fact that you are combining two cruises doesn’t impact the application of the act. DCL would be transporting you from two US ports without visiting a foreign distant port.

 

[LeslieG]

Canada doesn't count as a foreign distant port?

 

[Marc D]

Canada doesn't count as a foreign distant port?

No. It needs to be a distant foreign port, not simply a foreign port. Mexico or Canada do not count, and neither do all the countries in the Caribbean except Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire. That’s why Panama Canal cruises need to stop in one of those islands or in South America to be legal.

 

[happycamper47]

Canada doesn't count as a foreign distant port?

Yes it does, that is why the other cruise lines stop in Victoria B.C. when sailing out of Seattle to Alaska.

 

[Marc D]

Yes it does, that is why the other cruise lines stop in Victoria B.C. when sailing out of Seattle to Alaska.

Victoria meets the ‘any foreign port’ requirement for round-trip cruises, the same rule that allows foreign-flagged ships to sail from Florida by stopping in any non-US port in the Caribbean.

For the moment, because of the cruise restrictions imposed by Canada during the pandemic, an exception allowing Alaskan cruises without a Canadian stop was added, but it didn’t remove the foreign distant port requirement for one-way cruises.

 

[Intr3pid]

Yes it does, that is why the other cruise lines stop in Victoria B.C. when sailing out of Seattle to Alaska.

Only if it's a closed-loop/roundtrip cruise. Honolulu to San Diego is a one-way trip - and you need a distant foreign port. A distant port has to be outside North America - so, outside Canada (and most of central America and the Caribbeans).

Probably down to San Diego and do a couple cruises from there. Then go back up to Vancouver for Alaska season

That's right. DCL still has to fulfill its port contract with San Diego. Magic will take care of the first part in fall 2023, and Wonder will have to do it in March/April 2024.

 

[happycamper47]

Only if it's a closed-loop/roundtrip cruise. Honolulu to San Diego is a one-way trip - and you need a distant foreign port. A distant port has to be outside North America - which includes Canada (and most of central America and the Caribbeans).

So yes, as the OP originally asked they can do a B2B from Hawaii to Vancouver to San Diego, which was my point. They have always done Vancouver to San Diego when the Alaska cruises end.

 

[Intr3pid]

So yes, as the OP originally asked they can do a B2B from Hawaii to Vancouver to San Diego, which was my point. They have always done Vancouver to San Diego when the Alaska cruises end.

Canada is a part of North America, and none of its ports are considered distant. Honolulu to San Diego will not be allowed no matter where you stop in Canada..

Here is a simple version of it.

Honolulu to Vancouver = OK
Vancouver to San Diego = OK
Vancouver to Vancouver with an Alaska visit = OK
Seattle to Seattle with a Canada visit = OK

Honolulu to San Diego = Not OK, unless you stop in South America or Asia or Oceania

 

[happycamper47]

Canada is a part of North America, and none of its ports are considered distant. Honolulu to San Diego will not be allowed no matter where you stop in Canada..

Here is a simple version of it.

Honolulu to Vancouver = OK
Vancouver to San Diego = OK
Vancouver to Vancouver with an Alaska visit = OK
Seattle to Seattle with a Canada visit = OK

Honolulu to San Diego = Not OK, unless you stop in South America or Asia or Oceania

Exactly. It's the ship not the passenger... Wonder leaves Hawaii goes to Vancouver, leaves Vancouver goes to San DIego.. They board in Hawaii, cruise ends in Vancouver, next cruise leaves Vancouver they disembark in San Diego. They are not doing a continuous cruise.

 

[Marc D]

Exactly. It's the ship not the passenger... Wonder leaves Hawaii goes to Vancouver, leaves Vancouver goes to San DIego.. They board in Hawaii, cruise ends in Vancouver, next cruise leaves Vancouver they disembark in San Diego. They are not doing a continuous cruise.

The PVSA does not take into account the cruises, only the embarkation and disembarkation of each passenger. For the purposes of the act, OP would be doing a Honolulu- San Diego cruise, which is not allowed. That's why PVSA problems only occur with B2B cruises. The cruise lines sell only legal individual itineraries.

For example, to move Magic from NYC to Miami, they had to do NYC - San Juan then San Juan - Miami, which are both legal cruises since San Juan has a PVSA exception. But doing both cruises B2B was against the rules since passengers would have done a NYC - Miami cruise without a foreign distant port.

 

[Intr3pid]

Exactly. It's the ship not the passenger... Wonder leaves Hawaii goes to Vancouver, leaves Vancouver goes to San DIego.. They board in Hawaii, cruise ends in Vancouver, next cruise leaves Vancouver they disembark in San Diego. They are not doing a continuous cruise.

Doesn't matter how you booked your cruise(s). One continuous, two back-to-back, or top to down, left to right, upside down.

The law simply looks at where you embarked and where you disembarked. That's it.

And disembarkation means not having your name on the passenger manifest when the ship leaves the port. If you are still on the passenger list of a ship departing Vancouver, you haven't disembarked in Vancouver.

 

[happycamper47]

Doesn't matter how you booked your cruise(s). One continuous, two back-to-back, or top to down, left to right, upside down.

The law simply looks at where you embarked and where you disembarked. That's it.

And disembarkation means not having your name on the passenger manifest when the ship leaves the port. If you are still on the passenger list of a ship departing Vancouver, you haven't disembarked in Vancouver.

Then somebody messed up, because I know a couple who did Hawaii, Vancouver, Seattle in 2018.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Then somebody messed up, because I know a couple who did Hawaii, Vancouver, Seattle in 2018.

And the ship most likely got fined for it. They can then, in turn, pass the payment of the fine to the passenger.

What cruise line/ship did they do that cruise on?

 

[Flossbolna]

This got me wondering: so, if you added on another cruise in this case, the Sydney-Hawaii crossing, then you could add on the Vancouver-San Diego cruise as you started at a foreign port! That would be an amazing voyage!!

 

[auntlynne]

Deleted. I was in error.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Nice try - but I imagine they would still have a way to say that you cant transport between two US ports without that foreign port of call.

A Sydney/Hawaii, Hawaii/Vancouver, Vancouver/San Diego B2B2B cruise would be legal under the PVSA. That's because the embarkation port is a foreign port and the debarkation port is in the US. As noted earlier, the PVSA only looks at where a passenger gets on and gets off the same ship, regardless of how many legs they may have booked.

That said, DCL has in the past said that that sort of cruise wouldn't be legal. But they are wrong.

In the case of that specific B2B cruise I believe departing from Sydney would qualify for the "distant" foreign port requirement in any case.

 

[auntlynne]