Hollywood Studios Refurb

MGM was made as competition to Universal Studios. A Disney studio to explore the Magic of movie making and all sorts of attractions and shows to go along with it. They've slowly killed that off with all that really remains is Lights, Motors, Action and Indiana Jones. It was pretty cool .. for a while.

Closing down the Backlot tour (without any announcements) and rumors of Lights, Motors, Action closing and moving the Frozen show from its theater in the backlot area seems like they are emptying that back area for something big. (Like new Fantasyland big) ...

Get rid of that whole area and the Streets of America (which is just wasted space since there is no Backlot tour OR any actual filming going on there) .. and you you pretty much remove the "Studios" portion of the park.

Leaving you with? A old Hollywood themed area (which is pretty darn cool) .. a Star Wars Area (which is cool but needs expanding/upating) and a Pixar area (which needs more than just a single ride and a few M&Gs).

Then you have the attractions that don't really fit into the theme at all .. like Rock N Roller Coaster ...
 
I don't really disagree with you , but with the New Fantasyland, they added BOG restaurant, Little Mermaid Ride, SDMT, the Circus area, and a second Dumbo and they only removed the Mickey village/Toon Town area. That was a net gain, although not substantial versus the substantial number of visitors each day since the last real expansion in MK (1983 or 86 I think). You are correct that it is a lost decade, and in that decade they have lost a lot of future repeat customers. I just don't think they really realize that yet, and when they do, it could be too late.

They may be aware of the lost decade. However we're in a highly distorted economy right now - distorted by "ZIRP". When money is debased, the normal virtues of foresight, prudence and hard work are devalued. Bricks and mortar investments seem like a waste of time and money compared to playing financial games and dickering around with IT gimmickery.

The shareholders would fire them if they didn't go for the maximum profits in the short term by "playing the game". When companies try to eschew the gamesmanship, the big banks and investment companies force new management on them who would be considered no better than con artists in an economy that was governed by stability and prudence.
 
Well, at least you can now see GMR from the front of the park again, like it was intended.

This has been my favourite part of the refurb so far!

GMR is currently getting lots of updates too due to it's new partnership with TCM. Looks like they've been busy painting the exterior, and putting in new interactive screens in the queue. Spires have had a permit posted for their reinstatement so the Theatre should look amazing in a few months time. So glad the hat is gone!

I am excited for ther est of the park as well. Lots of interesting changes coming to a park that has had an identity crisis for so long.
 
Hollywood Studios is actually my favorite park. I'm sure I'm in the minority there. We won't be going back for a few more years, when our daughter is old enough to appreciate the experience. I'm anxious to see what they do with the space before then.
 

We were there on May the 4th for "May the Fourth" :darth:.... Rock n Rollercoaster was down, Tower of Terror had a 80 minute wait, Toy Story had a 70 minute wait and Star Tours had a 30 minute wait, which really isn't that bad, considering the theming of the day. It is really sad to walk around and see so many attractions that are either closed or in need of refurbishment. Even the addition of Starbucks (oh, sorry, The Trolley Car) hasn't helped.... their castmembers were standing outside waiting for people to come in. Up at Sid's Antique
Shop, there were 3 Guest Relations castmembers just standing on the steps talking to each other, while there was a line out the door of the Guest Relations building next door. I'm not saying it is the castmember's fault, if that is where they were assigned to be... and I have no doubt, that was the case, but it looked bad.... like management doesn't know how to use their employees to their best advantage. :confused:

:flower1:On a brighter note. They had a Star Wars Mickey Character meal at Hollywood and Vine and there was a line out the door waiting for their ADRs... also, they have started working on the new track of Toy Story Midway Mania, which will add additional capacity to an always VERY busy ride.
DHS really needs more attractions, not just shows. Somehow they need to balance out the park, since basically 3 E tickets are all on the right side of the park. If rumors are correct and all of the stars align correctly, maybe Pixar Place will extend into the old area where Backlot Tour/Catastrophe Canyon once lived. Since they have started including Mater and McQueen in Lights. Motors, Action, it would make perfect sense.
I could see the Star Wars area extending up to Indiana Jones, and the Backlot Express becoming a full service restaurant with the theming of possibly the Cantina. I also could see it taking over the building housing the old Drew CArey and American Idol shows. If that were to happen, then what happens to the area behind it where ABC Commissary is? Sci Fi Dine In would be fine, as it already has a Sci Fi theme. Then it begs the question of the area behind Star Tours, The Adventure Continues... will is stay themed to the Muppets and New York and San Francisco, or will that area also be incorporated into Star Tours Land? Sorry, but other than the Muppets and the Mama Melrose Restaurant, there is next to nothing in that area. The playground could be themed to Pixar as well as the Studio Catering Company.... they already have the Montsters, Inc meet and greet there anyway. The Muppets could find a new home closer to the front of the park.
Personally, I think that the DHS overhaul is SO far overdue it's laughable! :rotfl2: Before they even thought about Pandora or New Fantasyland, they should have gotten this park up to Disney standards. Made it an all day park, instead of the "ok.... lets get the 3 fastpasses as close together as possible, so we can ride the E tickets and go somewhere else" park. Then they could have built New Fantasyland and after that Pandora.. or whatever incarnation it would have become by that point. It would be great if all of this could coincide with DHS' 30th anniversary in 2019. but as slow as Disney is about getting their projects done in a timely manner, it will more that likely be their 40th anniversary!:hourglass
 
We were there on May the 4th for "May the Fourth" :darth:.... Rock n Rollercoaster was down, Tower of Terror had a 80 minute wait, Toy Story had a 70 minute wait and Star Tours had a 30 minute wait, which really isn't that bad, considering the theming of the day. It is really sad to walk around and see so many attractions that are either closed or in need of refurbishment. Even the addition of Starbucks (oh, sorry, The Trolley Car) hasn't helped.... their castmembers were standing outside waiting for people to come in. Up at Sid's Antique
Shop, there were 3 Guest Relations castmembers just standing on the steps talking to each other, while there was a line out the door of the Guest Relations building next door. I'm not saying it is the castmember's fault, if that is where they were assigned to be... and I have no doubt, that was the case, but it looked bad.... like management doesn't know how to use their employees to their best advantage. :confused:

:flower1:On a brighter note. They had a Star Wars Mickey Character meal at Hollywood and Vine and there was a line out the door waiting for their ADRs... also, they have started working on the new track of Toy Story Midway Mania, which will add additional capacity to an always VERY busy ride.
DHS really needs more attractions, not just shows. Somehow they need to balance out the park, since basically 3 E tickets are all on the right side of the park. If rumors are correct and all of the stars align correctly, maybe Pixar Place will extend into the old area where Backlot Tour/Catastrophe Canyon once lived. Since they have started including Mater and McQueen in Lights. Motors, Action, it would make perfect sense.
I could see the Star Wars area extending up to Indiana Jones, and the Backlot Express becoming a full service restaurant with the theming of possibly the Cantina. I also could see it taking over the building housing the old Drew CArey and American Idol shows. If that were to happen, then what happens to the area behind it where ABC Commissary is? Sci Fi Dine In would be fine, as it already has a Sci Fi theme. Then it begs the question of the area behind Star Tours, The Adventure Continues... will is stay themed to the Muppets and New York and San Francisco, or will that area also be incorporated into Star Tours Land? Sorry, but other than the Muppets and the Mama Melrose Restaurant, there is next to nothing in that area. The playground could be themed to Pixar as well as the Studio Catering Company.... they already have the Montsters, Inc meet and greet there anyway. The Muppets could find a new home closer to the front of the park.
Personally, I think that the DHS overhaul is SO far overdue it's laughable! :rotfl2: Before they even thought about Pandora or New Fantasyland, they should have gotten this park up to Disney standards. Made it an all day park, instead of the "ok.... lets get the 3 fastpasses as close together as possible, so we can ride the E tickets and go somewhere else" park. Then they could have built New Fantasyland and after that Pandora.. or whatever incarnation it would have become by that point. It would be great if all of this could coincide with DHS' 30th anniversary in 2019. but as slow as Disney is about getting their projects done in a timely manner, it will more that likely be their 40th anniversary!:hourglass
Well I must say you have a lot to say for a new poster, not that that's a bad thing. DHS's redo will likely coincide with 2021 the 50th of WDW.
 
the stock is at its highest and keeps going up. there will be building as permits have been filed its justwhen it will start.
universal is giving disney a run for its money

They still control 70% of the market share In what is possibly the biggest purely tourist town on the planet...

That is a route.

Rigged elections in Iran have smaller margins of victory...

MGM has been vastly overattended for years... No way that park deserves 10 mil...

And it's not designed for capacity like the other 3 and has by far the lowest overhead costs...

I would argue it's been the most successful park at wdw lb for lb...

But that's just it....they can't handle capacity on a failed movie/animation production facility footprint...wasnt meant for that...

So they can't do a major Star Wars addition without a huge corresponding infrastructure investment...

Which means reclaiming parking lot, possibly new roadway points...expanded service facilities...probably razing or replacing outdated backlot facilities...

I think they'll go "one cheek" approach and do little...maybe some sort of updated simulator type ride - to go with the existing bad one...and lots of fluff...

I just don't see anyone with enough of a "Disney conscious"...or basic self respect in this management regime to do things correctly. I just don't.

And on that front... Don't buy any stock...and stay tuned.
 
Well I must say you have a lot to say for a new poster, not that that's a bad thing. DHS's redo will likely coincide with 2021 the 50th of WDW.

Might I suggest you de-emphasize anniversaries in correlations to construction plans...

Anniversaries mean nothing in Florida because the customers have no collective identity and they just don't care.

In Disneyland the roll out the carpets....in Florida they just call the sweatshops next to SDL and order new logos to be screen printed.
 
Might I suggest you de-emphasize anniversaries in correlations to construction plans...

Anniversaries mean nothing in Florida because the customers have no collective identity and they just don't care.

In Disneyland the roll out the carpets....in Florida they just call the sweatshops next to SDL and order new logos to be screen printed.
While I agree, from what the insiders have said they are going to sell this DHS redo as their big thing for the 50th. That is exactly something WDW would do.
 
They still control 70% of the market share In what is possibly the biggest purely tourist town on the planet...

That is a route.

Rigged elections in Iran have smaller margins of victory...

MGM has been vastly overattended for years... No way that park deserves 10 mil...

And it's not designed for capacity like the other 3 and has by far the lowest overhead costs...

I would argue it's been the most successful park at wdw lb for lb...

But that's just it....they can't handle capacity on a failed movie/animation production facility footprint...wasnt meant for that...

So they can't do a major Star Wars addition without a huge corresponding infrastructure investment...

Which means reclaiming parking lot, possibly new roadway points...expanded service facilities...probably razing or replacing outdated backlot facilities...

I think they'll go "one cheek" approach and do little...maybe some sort of updated simulator type ride - to go with the existing bad one...and lots of fluff...

I just don't see anyone with enough of a "Disney conscious"...or basic self respect in this management regime to do things correctly. I just don't.

And on that front... Don't buy any stock...and stay tuned.
hilarious
 
Any recent rumors about when Disney might announce some solid info of DHS refurb?
Nothing other than D23 but that's doubtful as well. They did announce that the parks and resorts segment is back for D23 this year and the venue it will be in is much larger than anything they used previously.
 
they always have a parks and resorts segment at d23, they just bundle it in with everything coming up. now they can talk about not only florida but hong kong and china. lots of big doins. but as far as doing something for wdw 50th. I doubt they would announce anything this year for that far out.
 
Any recent rumors about when Disney might announce some solid info of DHS refurb?

I think if you put 2 and 2 together, like lockedoutlogic has, you will have very low expectations for any big announcement of solid info having to do with DHS ... if by solid you mean, major new attractions and/or new lands and an overhauled park layout.

As it stands right now, they would be throwing money away for no great gain if they turned DHS, DAK or Epcot into theme parks with a respectable number of decent attractions. People are literally lining up to buy multiday passes, purchase DVC, book rooms, sign up for free dining plans, book ADRs and FP's ... to the point where they're practically elbowing each other to do so. (see the somewhat acrimonious comments over whether some people earned or deserved free dining because they stayed up all night to play Disney's game with the reservation system)

That's why the rumors of "great new things" are so utterly sketchy and vague, why big announcements with concrete commitments are so rare, why the budgets and work schedules are so underwhelming, and announcements of tiny, unimportant changes concerning really minor additions and renovations are so common. Like the stage at DHS ... Look, the new park map shows an oval in front of the Chinese Theatre labelled "Stage" !

Disney would be fools for not keeping things going this way for as long as possible.
 
Well we can,t say Disney isn,t doing anything. Even if we are not impressed with Fantasyland it has been done. Followed by the billion dollar MyMagic + project.( I know,I know real exciting stuff) Now a large project in AK. Followed by I beleive a major refurb project in DHS and then probably Epcot. Will Disney draw it out to a painfully slow pace. Yep. Will we like everything they are doing? Nope. But at least they are spending a constant flow of money to slooowly improve DW. There was a time not long ago where it seemed they were doing nothing and barely spending. A do feel we are at least going in the right direction.
 
they always have a parks and resorts segment at d23, they just bundle it in with everything coming up. now they can talk about not only florida but hong kong and china. lots of big doins. but as far as doing something for wdw 50th. I doubt they would announce anything this year for that far out.
Well in 2013 they really didn't have a parks and resorts segment they just had an imagineering exhibit.
 
They may be aware of the lost decade. However we're in a highly distorted economy right now - distorted by "ZIRP". When money is debased, the normal virtues of foresight, prudence and hard work are devalued. Bricks and mortar investments seem like a waste of time and money compared to playing financial games and dickering around with IT gimmickery.

The shareholders would fire them if they didn't go for the maximum profits in the short term by "playing the game". When companies try to eschew the gamesmanship, the big banks and investment companies force new management on them who would be considered no better than con artists in an economy that was governed by stability and prudence.

Wow
 
Well we can,t say Disney isn,t doing anything. Even if we are not impressed with Fantasyland it has been done. Followed by the billion dollar MyMagic + project.( I know,I know real exciting stuff) Now a large project in AK. Followed by I beleive a major refurb project in DHS and then probably Epcot. Will Disney draw it out to a painfully slow pace. Yep. Will we like everything they are doing? Nope. But at least they are spending a constant flow of money to slooowly improve DW. There was a time not long ago where it seemed they were doing nothing and barely spending. A do feel we are at least going in the right direction.

The problem with their pacing is that while you replace the vegetables... The fruit starts to spoil.

Park stagnation is a real concept...and they have opened themselves up in Florida to it by:
1. Starting a redo of EPCOT around 1995 and basically giving up around 2005...more or less losing 2 pavilions in the process...
2. Shuddering the facilities at studios but - again - adding almost nothing after 1999
3. Opening animal kingdom prematurely, overbudget, and with a confused theme (due to elimination)...and again doing very piecemeal efforts to strengthen the park.

There are two reasons that wdw is not heading the right direction:
Attractions are rotting/closed in the parks and no effort is made to replace them or update them

It's taking over 5 years to gain Anything in the parks that actually adds to the strength/foundation of the park.

Those two thing are unacceptable in my opinion. Just my opinion.
 
They need to start focusing on fixing one problem at a time - similar to what they did with Disney Springs. Spend 2 years and completely overhaul all of the issues with an area, not spending 2-5 years each on 20 different solutions. Sit down with all of the decision-makers and ask what is wrong in each park, now and 10 years down the road. Give the list to the Imagineers and give them 6 months to come up with a plan to solve 80%+ of those issues. Get the ball rolling on a plan instead of looking at the pile of money they keep pulling in. Once the pile starts to shrink, it will be hard to make it grow again. Learn from the mistakes of Kodak, early IBM, and to some extent Apple - you can't rest on your laurels once you have made one great product. You have to keep reinvesting in that product to keep it growing. When you get complacent is when things completely fall apart. Disney is starting to get complacent because they don't see the end of the money. Neither did the real estate market in 2007.

The issue here is that I don't think Disney sees any 'problems' with Orlando. To your point the money keeps rolling in. We as guests see 'problems' with lackluster updates, infrequent maintenance, or the glacial pace at which new items get implemented, yet we line up each morning at rope drop ready to spend cash. Personally I think they're milking the Orlando campus as much as they can before the going public says enough is enough. The consistent closure announcements juxtaposed with regular price increases give fuel to that speculation.

Disney has reinvested to make their product grow, but I think we need to realize that they have transitioned from the parks as the principal product to media delivery and IP control. On their schedule as far as the eye can see is film after film being released. More and more each year the media division stands as the giant in the corporation. The relationship they have with Comcast on licensing Marvel in Universal is the direction Disney wants to move towards - have someone else assume the liability on construction, maintenance and labor costs while they get a monthly check for the use of their IP. It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if there was another IP floating around that they are thinking about grabbing before Iger's tenure wraps up.
 
The issue here is that I don't think Disney sees any 'problems' with Orlando. To your point the money keeps rolling in. We as guests see 'problems' with lackluster updates, infrequent maintenance, or the glacial pace at which new items get implemented, yet we line up each morning at rope drop ready to spend cash. Personally I think they're milking the Orlando campus as much as they can before the going public says enough is enough. The consistent closure announcements juxtaposed with regular price increases give fuel to that speculation.

Disney has reinvested to make their product grow, but I think we need to realize that they have transitioned from the parks as the principal product to media delivery and IP control. On their schedule as far as the eye can see is film after film being released. More and more each year the media division stands as the giant in the corporation. The relationship they have with Comcast on licensing Marvel in Universal is the direction Disney wants to move towards - have someone else assume the liability on construction, maintenance and labor costs while they get a monthly check for the use of their IP. It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if there was another IP floating around that they are thinking about grabbing before Iger's tenure wraps up.
I think you've got it entirely backwards. Arguably Disney Parks is becoming more important to the "Disney" Robert Iger is trying to make. I'll finish that it in a moment. First:

The issue here is that I don't think Disney sees any 'problems' with Orlando. To your point the money keeps rolling in.
Is there a "problem?" What is the problem? I don't think there is one. Except for HS, the parks are firing on all cylinders. (DAK is soft, but we saw what WOC can do) There's two reasons to build attractions:

1) Grow attendance- This can be superseded if another park around the globe is struggling aka DCA, HKDL, PD, WDS
2) Retain attendance- The higher law
3?) Iffy and new, MyMagic is system that is about improving experience, improving intent to return, and boosting guest spending. While not actually a traditional "attraction, it does somewhat fall into those characteristics. For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to stick with the first two.


If Disney doesn't expect to either grow attendance or doesn't need to retain customers then building is exactly the wrong thing to do. Our "problems" or desires are not their "problems."

This makes me agree with your next point:
We as guests see 'problems' with lackluster updates, infrequent maintenance, or the glacial pace at which new items get implemented, yet we line up each morning at rope drop ready to spend cash.
If it's not directly effecting the 2 rules then it's not a "problem." You could argue there are subtle signs that the 2nd is being broken, but that's not played out yet.

1 seems to be broken in a dramatic fashion. There's potentially millions of untapped ticket clicks waiting to happen. I agree with you there, but you start to lose me with:
Personally I think they're milking the Orlando campus as much as they can before the going public says enough is enough. The consistent closure announcements juxtaposed with regular price increases give fuel to that speculation.
And then what? They'll put the "For Sale" sign out front? That's ridiculous. Disney has added many offerings over the last decade, (not enough to fully satisfy 1, but enough to completely surpass 2) they're not going to walk away from billions of dollars. Walt Disney World is THE PREEMINENT TOURIST DESTINATION ON THE PLANET. You recently heard that Orlando is the number one tourist destination on Earth, guess who collects the Lion share of that? Disney. Arguing that Disney is on track to ruin Walt Disney World then try to claw their way back from the brink is silly. Theoretically if the public does eventually say enough is enough, it will slam them hard. It will effect not only WDW, but also Disneyland Resort, Disney Cruise Line, Disneyland Paris, and even Walt Disney Animation and Studios. WDW is the literal embodiment of Disney. If WDW has the reputation of being crap, that effects all of Disney. They're in it for the long game, even if backlot's replacement hasn't been announced yet.

Disney has reinvested to make their product grow, but I think we need to realize that they have transitioned from the parks as the principal product to media delivery and IP control.
When the heck were parks ever the "principal product?" Last time I checked, Michael Eisner came from Hollywood. Michael Ovits too. Jeffery Katzenburg yeah. Disney has always been movie and television focused first. Before Disneyland was a place, it was a TV show. That's not to say Disney Parks weren't creative contributors in their own way. Pirates the best example. They created content, and the movie studio created more content. They shared with each other and were better off for it. I'm of the mindset that Disney is the strongest when each of their now 5 creative hearts are beating (LF, WDA,WDI,WDS,MS). I'm not sure if WDI is what it once was, but the same could be said of WDA once too, so we never know when things will turn around.

I do think the parks will sadly lose some of their uniqueness to IP based stuff, but in a way that makes them even more critical to the company. They're now completely invested in the outcome of the parks because they're representative of the other divisions.
On their schedule as far as the eye can see is film after film being released.
And??? Massive media conglomerates can do more then one thing at once. Making more movies doesn't mean anything for the parks. During the Eisner Era, they were cranking out tons of movies through WDS, WDA, Mirmax, TD, and Touchstone. One of the first things Iger did was drastically reduce the amount of movies released. I was actually struck by how few movies there were. Especially original...
More and more each year the media division stands as the giant in the corporation.
You've got this part wrong. Guess which division's profit contracted? Guess which division is facing increased costs? Guess which division has a dozen tech companies breathing down its throat? Ain't Disney Parks and Resorts. I'd argue Disney's big bets with Shanghai Disney, Star Wars, Marvel, etc point them exactly the opposite direction. Besides Disney Channel, none of those channels build up the "Disney" Iger is trying to craft. They're increasingly looking like the outsiders to this massive Walt Disney Studios, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, Walt Disney Consumer Products, and Walt Disney Interactive... IP Party. They're one of the few divisions that hasn't really been able to leverage Marvel or Star Wars in a meaningful way (Agents of Shield and SW Rebels are small fries in the grand scheme of things). I could list dozens of reasons why Mickey Mouse is important to DPs, DCP, WDS, WDI, but I'd struggle to tell you why he mattered to ESPN. That lacks synergy. Something Iger has been all about.

The relationship they have with Comcast on licensing Marvel in Universal is the direction Disney wants to move towards - have someone else assume the liability on construction, maintenance and labor costs while they get a monthly check for the use of their IP.
That breaks up the "Disney" Robert Iger is trying to make. Having one part owned by some random company, and another owned by a different one breaks up the One Brand he's trying to create. Disney Parks is the literal embodiment of the company. There's no way they'd sacrifice all that good will, and fanatical fanboyism for no reason. Oh, and did I mention Disney Parks generates billions?
It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if there was another IP floating around that they are thinking about grabbing before Iger's tenure wraps up.
I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility. What would they buy though? Nothing immediately obvious. There's been an arms race for IP, I'm not sure where they'd go next. They could go after a bigger studio.

In closing, I'd say Disney Parks is not destined for obliteration. Could they (and should they) be building more and capitalizing on the potential growth? Yes. Are they moving in that direction? Looks like it. Are Disney Parks irrelevant? Nope, I'd argue they're more relevant to Disney then ever. Did Disney executives use clever spin tactics to avoid talking about MyMagic? I'm afraid so. Darn it Staggs. (Not really pertinent to anything I was saying, but I had to vent somewhere)
 











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