Hang up and drive! - a teensy weensy vent

In NY State, we have the hands-free cell phone law meaning you can't hold your cell phone to your ear while you drive. You have to have a hands-free device. I can tell you that in my area, nobody really seems to bother. You *constantly* see people holding their cell phones to their ears!

I know that people have been ticketed for cell phone use, but this is one law that people don't seem to care about! Cell phone while driving is a $175 fine.

Now, I am not about to get a $175 fine, so I make sure to have my hands free w/me just in case I decide I need it. I try not to answer it but let it go to voice mail. If DS is w/me, he can answer the phone.

Now ... let me ask this question ... we all talk when our friends are in the car w/us and don't seem to have a problem w/it. Is it more the dialing of the cell phone and holding it, not keeping 2 hands on the wheel, having to look at the keypad to dial that's the problem and not the talking itself?
 
I have a hands-free device that fits right over my ear. No messing of the hair, so that's not even an excuse.

Just last week, my husband had dropped me off at the train station on his way to work. He was waiting in a line of cars to take a left at the end of the street. There was an 18-wheeler coming from the other direction trying to take the right onto the street he was on. Guy is trying to manuever around this tight corner in an 18-wheeler while talking on his cell phone. And instead of putting down the phone, he leans on his horn and leans out the window yelling at the other people waiting ahead of my husband to back up and give him room. JERK!

I am all for a law requiring hands-free use of cell phones only. Although I'm not sure how well it will be enforced when everytime I see a cop in our town, he's on his cell phone. And I really think teen drivers need to be off cell phones while driving. I can't tell you how many times I've almost been hit by some 17-year old with a car full of his/her friends and the one driving is chatting on the phone too.
 
tmt martins said:
Well as I work in the field in service I'm always driving the 95 from Balto to DC both beltways either talking or on-line with my Crackberry or personel cell.

It's just part of the way I have to do business to get the job done .I've became very good at it and do mostly hands free.

It's not as bad as eating ,smoking and the worse doing Makeup in your rearview or visor mirror i've even watched people watching movies or tv while driving.

And compairing it to an impaired driver is like saying all the elderly should not drive as their reaction time is not as sharp as it was. Destracted and impaired are 2 totally different things a quick honk and a cell driver could correct a drunk would not.


I don't ever take my eyes off the road I bring the devise up into my view then sit it back into it's holder.


T&B god gave me a tilt wheel and an extra KNEE to drive so I can have both hands free :lmao:


Not to pick on you, tmt, but the sheer number of cell phone-using drivers makes it a much greater menace. I cited the two examples I encountered in a 12 hour period as antecdotal evidence of something that scientific tests are confirming -talking on cell phones while driving is dangerous -no matter how good at it you are. [end direct response]

What really offends and scares me is that these cell phone drivers are taking MY life into their hands as they drive recklessly [ironic pun intended]. My little Saturn doesn't stand a chance against the behemoth SUVs and leviathan trucks. Maybe I should start driving our minivan more just for safety!
 
Daxx said:
Now ... let me ask this question ... we all talk when our friends are in the car w/us and don't seem to have a problem w/it. Is it more the dialing of the cell phone and holding it, not keeping 2 hands on the wheel, having to look at the keypad to dial that's the problem and not the talking itself?

Yes, yes and yes. I have no problem with the headphone type cellphone where you still have both hands free. It is the one handed issue that bothers me. As stated from most of the other posters, you do NOT have full control of the vehicle when you are holding a cell phone. I think 98% of us still have full control while having a conversation. I hope they come out with a strict law soon. I have a teen daughter on the road and I think it's crazy how these drivers put us at risk every day, over something so stupid as having to yack on the phone right at that moment! Hang up and drive!
 

Daxx said:
Now ... let me ask this question ... we all talk when our friends are in the car w/us and don't seem to have a problem w/it. Is it more the dialing of the cell phone and holding it, not keeping 2 hands on the wheel, having to look at the keypad to dial that's the problem and not the talking itself?

There is more to it than the dialing. More so than with face-to-face conversations, when we are talking with someone on the phone we devote more og our attention and concsiousness to the conversation. It is almost as if part of our brain thinks we can put the rest of the world on hold while we focus on the conversation. The business deal, booty call, honey-do call, shout out, chit chat... whetever -they all take that spot at the front of our minds that should be reserved for concentrating on the road and operating our vehicle. This is why hands-free usage is maybe only slightly better? :confused3

As to having conversations with passengers in the car. I can only speculate that our concentration is not as divided because the interaction does not pass thru the electronic medium. The person(s) we are talking with are actually there instead of at a remote location so our minds don't have to work as hard to concentrate on interacting with them. :confused3

No matter the reason, this is obviously a very real danger for all of us who drive on the American roads today. Just about every poster on this thread -from all parts of the country -have reported similar observations.
 
My and DBF were driving to dinner the other night when a young girl pulled up next to us at the light. She was on the her cell of course. The windows in both cars were down so I could clearly hear her conversation. It was definitely one that could have waited until she was off the road. But the funny thing was when DBF asked me what would happen if she couldn't use her cell. He was expecting me to say she would melt, but I said she would drive better. Her car was full of dents and scratches. All in places where she most likely hit other cars, poles, and medians. And as the light turns green she almost hits another car by changing lanes without looking or signaling, and by not paying attention to the car in front of her. Then she was swerving as she tried to make a right turn with one hand. Of course the right turn she took, was an entrance ramp to the parkway! :scared1: :sad2:

Sadly though, driving while on the phone isn't the only time it is dangerous. I have seen many kids riding bikes while on their cells. They have no idea what they are doing and they just jet out into the street. Or they don't stop at corners to look for cars. People walking through parking lots on their cells are just as scary. When someone jets out from behind big SUV's without looking and you happen to be driving by, it makes your heart stop.
 
I think this was one of the studies that was recently done and released:

By Steven Reinberg
HealthDay Reporter
Thu Jun 29, 11:54 PM ET

THURSDAY, June 29 (HealthDay News) -- Maneuvering through traffic while talking on the phone increases the likelihood of an accident five-fold and is actually more dangerous than driving drunk, U.S. researchers report.


That finding held true whether the driver was holding a cell phone or using a hands-free device, the researchers noted.


"As a society, we have agreed on not tolerating the risk associated with drunk driving," said researcher Frank Drews, an assistant professor of psychology at the University of Utah. "This study shows us that somebody who is conversing on a cell phone is exposing him or herself and others to a similar risk -- cell phones actually are a higher risk," he said.


His team's report appears in the summer issue of the journal Human Factors.


In the study, 40 people followed a pace car along a prescribed course, using a driving simulator. Some people drove while talking on a cell phone, others navigated while drunk (meaning their blood-alcohol limit matched the legal limit of 0.08 percent), and others drove with no such distractions or impairments.


"We found an increased accident rate when people were conversing on the cell phone," Drews said. Drivers on cell phones were 5.36 times more likely to get in an accident than non-distracted drivers, the researchers found.


The phone users fared even worse than the inebriated, the Utah team found. There were three accidents among those talking on cell phones -- all of them involving a rear-ending of the pace car. In contrast, there were no accidents recorded among participants who were drunk, or the sober, cell-phone-free group.


The bottom line: Cell-phone use was linked to "a significant increase in the accident rate," Drews said.


He said there was a difference between the behaviors of drunk drivers and those who were talking on the phone. Drunk drivers tended to be aggressive, while those talking on the phone were more sluggish, Drews said.


In addition, the researchers found talking on the cell phone reduce reaction time by 9 percent in terms of braking and 19 percent in terms of picking up speed after braking. "This is significant, because it has an impact on traffic as a system," Drews said. "If we have drivers who are taking a lot of time in accelerating once having slowed down, the overall flow of traffic is dramatically reduced," he said.


In response to safety concerns, some states have outlawed the use of hand-held cell phones while driving. But that type of legislation may not be effective, because the Utah researchers found no difference in driver performance whether the driver was holding the phone or talking on a hands-free model.


"We have seen again and again that there is no difference between hands-free and hand-held devices," Drews said. "The problem is the conversation," he added.


According to Drews, drivers talking on the phone are paying attention to the conversation -- not their driving. "Drivers are not perceiving the driving environment," he said. "We found 50 percent of the visual information wasn't processed at all -- this could be a red light. This increases the risk of getting into an accident dramatically," he said.


The reason that there aren't more accidents linked to cell phone use is probably due to the reactions of other -- more alert -- drivers, Drews said. "Currently, our system seems to be able to handle 8 percent of cell-phone drivers, because other drivers are paying attention," he said. "They are compensating for the errors these drivers are causing," he speculated.


This is a growing public health problem, Drews said. As more people are talking and driving, the accident rate will go up, he said.


One expert agreed that driving and cell phone use can be a deadly mix.


"We don't believe talking on a cell phone while driving is safe," said Rae Tyson, a spokesman for the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). "It is a level of distraction that can affect your driving performance," he said.

NHTSA has just completed a study that showed that 75 percent of all traffic accidents were preceded by some type of driver distraction, Tyson said.

Tyson pointed out that talking on the phone is very different than talking to the person in the passenger seat. "If you are engaged in a conversation with a passenger, the passenger has some situational awareness, whereas a person on the phone has no idea what you are dealing with on the road," he said.

"Our recommendation is that you should not talk on the phone while driving, whether it's a hand-held or hand-free device," Tyson said. "We realize that a lot of people believe that they can multi-task, and in a lot of situations they probably can, but it's that moment when you need your full attention, and it's not there because you are busy talking, that you increase the likelihood that you are going to be involved in a crash," he said.

Tyson also sees this as a growing public health issue. "Every time we do a survey, there are more people using cell phones while driving," he said. "And the popularity of hand-held devices like Palm Pilots or Blackberries, and people using them in the car, is another problem," he added.

An industry spokesman said cell phones don't cause accidents, people do.

"If cell phones were truly the culprit some studies make them out to be, it's only logical that we'd see a huge spike in the number of accidents [since their introduction]," said John Walls, a vice president at the industry group, the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association-The Wireless Association. "To the contrary, we've experienced a decline in accidents, and an even more impressive decline in the accident rate per million miles driven," he said.

"We believe educating drivers on how to best handle all of the possible distractions when you're behind the wheel is the most effective means to make better drivers, and that legislation focusing on a specific behavior falls short of that well-intended goal and creates a false sense of security," Walls said.
 
The Mystery Machine said:
MythBusters did this one. :thumbsup2

Professional course all the way.....Conclusion was driving on the cell was worse than driving drunk.


I love mythbusters and I can see where cells can be as dangerous as a drunk driver. They are VERY distracting. What especially scares me is seeing a TEENAGER driving and talking at the same time. They just don't have enough experience in driving to be that distracted. Scary.
 
I agree that it can be very dangerous. (Just a bit of trivia...the #1 cause of accidents is from distractions outside the vehicle).

However, I usually drive better when I'm on my cell phone. I occasionally suffer anxiety attacks while driving and talking to someone on the phone calms me down quite a bit, so that I can concentrate on my driving and less on getting creamed by an oncoming car. Yes, weird, but it's the truth. ;) But I hate it when anyone else talks on their phone. :teeth:
 
I have to agree and disagree. I think that divers should be ticketed for using a cell phone while driving, if they aren't using a hands free unit. You really should have both hands on the wheel. If your using the hands free unit, it's no more distracting than having a conversation with someone in the car. I personally don't use a cell phone while I am driving. But I think when I have children that will change. It's just a sign of the times.
 
DH and I were on our way to a party Friday night when we were stopped at a red light beside a guy in a truck. He had one hand hanging out the window with a ciggie in it and in the other his cell phone. Then he uses his shoulder to hold his cell phone to his ear while he grabs a drink can and takes a swig. DH and I looked at each other and DH said to me " wonder what hand he is driving with".

It was funny because we were stopped at a light but I am sure he continued this juggling act after the light turned green - and that isn't funny, it's scary.
 
golfgal said:
What especially scares me is seeing a TEENAGER driving and talking at the same time. They just don't have enough experience in driving to be that distracted. Scary.

None of us have enough experience. Various states are passing or considering laws about limiting teen's cell phone usage. I see the reason for that: teens can't vote! (well, not the youngest drivers). As soon as lawmakers start passing some laws with substance about limiting cell phone usage offended cell phone users -and there would be quite a number -would vote them out of office. Meanwhile, limiting teens cell phone usage has the wonderful benefit of making all voters FEEL like we as a society are doing something proactive while actually not having to modify our own dangerous behavior.

FWIW, I am not a teen; not by a long shot.
 
I'll have to agree and disagree. As someone who drives a manual transmission, I can tell you for sure that I don't have both hands on the wheel at all times. Not even close!

I have also seen people swerving around and almost causing an accident because they were talking...
to the people in their car!

To make a flat out statement that cell phone usage causes trouble with everyone is not right. I've seen more stupid things done with people eating, changing radio stations, digging for something in their front seat, putting on make up, reading... than I have with cell phones.

I think there are some people who treat cell phone calls in a wrong manner. If you have to give your undivided attention to a call, then don't do it while driving. I have used my cell phone while driving, and I admit, I have said to people "hang on" to make sure I could deal with a situation ahead of me.

Some people are just too easily distracted. I treat people in my car the same way I do as people on the phone... I love chatting, but if life gets in my way, the chatting stops.

I think *THAT* is what the huge problem is. Some people cannot do that well at all in a car whether on a phone or not.

But really, saying you should have both hands on the wheel at all times is like saying I need to trade in my stick shift. I think the ability to put both hands on the wheels at the times you need both hands is more important. And for some, you just need to simply say "hang on" and drop that cell phone to your lap. Just like I need to get my hand off the shifter and on the wheel.

JMO
 
I made a right turn out of the parking lot at work yesterday to go to lunch. There was a safe distance for me to do so with the car that was coming toward me. Just up the road, I stayed to the left of the lane and signaled to turn left.

The guy in the car behind me lays on his horn and flips me off for turning.

He was on his cell phone and probably didn't see me or that I was turning.

I blame his cell phone use.
 
kelleigh1
Just last week, my husband had dropped me off at the train station on his way to work. He was waiting in a line of cars to take a left at the end of the street. There was an 18-wheeler coming from the other direction trying to take the right onto the street he was on. Guy is trying to manuever around this tight corner in an 18-wheeler while talking on his cell phone. And instead of putting down the phone, he leans on his horn and leans out the window yelling at the other people waiting ahead of my husband to back up and give him room. JERK!



See this one example has nothing to do with cell phones. I see 18 wheelers daily with there right turn signal on. If I come to an intersection and I see this I stop short. The back bumper clearly states that most 18 wheelers make wide right turns. Knowing this I give them room. Whether he was on his phone or not he would of had this problem.

As for why some talk; well when I ran parts I had to drive and use my phone. I got a hands free set for heavy rainstorms. My DH is a diesel mechanic. He smokes, drinks, and talks on his phone constantly. At 49 years old he still hasn't had an accident. Why, because he is a great driver. He uses his smoking hand to steer with for those asking about that. He has his license completely loaded. He can drive anything but a passenger bus because he didn't want to do that. I think that bad drivers are our problem. Period put end of story.
 


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